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Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! *read OP*
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I went to bed at about 6.30am, have finally caught up. In case anyone else is in a similar boat, and wants to avoid trawling through to catch up, I've quoted the posts I thought were interesting/informative, and avoided most of the back-and-forth that we've had many times before, and the idle speculation about Tipperary which had nothing to back it up. Apologies to those who take offence at my having not included their posts, and for having the gall to judge (and at a very rapid scan at that), but this is something I would myself have appreciated this morning :P There may be a post in here I meant to unquote, but I couldn't find it scanning now, so apologies if that slipped through.
Obviously any conversation/quoting is missing, but if your curiosity is piqued, you can just click the post.https://www.sanmarinortv.sm/news/attualita-c4/coronavirus-e-morto-il-sammarinese-ricoverato-a-rimini-a184415
7 new cases and first death in San MarinoBanditLuke wrote: »Deleted User wrote: »John Oliver had the Coronavirus as his weekly topic to shine the spotlight on. It's at 1:30 in this video and lasts for about 20 minutes...
He makes a good point in there, which although made for a US audience, I'd relate to our own situation in Ireland with how forthcoming official bodies can be with information - Trust in institutions is critical when trying to contain a possible pandemic.jobeenfitz wrote: »Bbc 1, 7.30pm, tonight. "all you need to know on corono virus"
Just seen this advertised on BBC.Kermit.de.frog wrote: »Deleted User wrote: »
Dr John talks about the containment phase here. Supposedly contact tracing can be hard in itself but is even harder with such a transmissible virus like covid19.
I was thinking about this and can’t understand the logic. If you shut down an entire school because one child tests positive surely the family of the child told to self isolate? A lot of that school would not of necessarily been in close contact with the child but the family of that child most certainly were close to them.
I think a lot of mistakes are going to be made , certainly at the start. That wouid not be unique to us either as most countries are not prepared to deal with this and will be learning as they go along.
If the numbers are spiking everywhere but Ireland , my concern would be that we simply can’t test enough or keep up with potential cases. Does anybody actually know what the official figure in Ireland of tested people actually is?Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe The British/Iranian citizen who was jailed over there in 2016 because Iran says she was attempting to topple the government has told her family she has symptoms.
She’s been unwell before and was denied medical treatment.According to the HSE yesterday, up to Monday 24th of February, only 90 tests carried out.
HSE said they will release stats tomorrow on number of tests carried out between
last Monday and today.Kermit.de.frog wrote: »123 new confirmed cases in South Korea on top of 476 new confirmed cases earlier and 4 new deaths.
599 new cases for the dayMust he a lot of thick health professionals out there so ...
Already posted this ...
For those in close contact with others ie 6 feet or less - N95 masks do offer some protection from droplet borne infection ie coughs sneezes and spittle eg when people talk.
On public transport- a N95 mask just may make the difference in getting coughed and sneezed at in close proximity and not directly inhaling same
That said surgical masks are only designed to be worn when protecting others eg doctor => Patient
If you wish to go the whole hog get a respirator
https://media.rs-online.com/t_large/R2867136-01.jpgThe numbers aren't spiking everywhere but Ireland.
As of 9:00AM this morning there are 68 countries affected. Ireland is among a group with 1 reported case:
Afghanistan, Armenia, Belarus, Cambodaia, Dominican Republic, Estonia, Ireland, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Macedonia, Monaco, Nepal, New Zealand, Nigeria & Sri Lanka.
Coronavirus Update (Live)Kermit.de.frog wrote: »The US made an offer of assistance to Iran this morning.
Iran rejected it.
Seems like they need all the help they can get.RebelButtMunch wrote: »"Until early this week, there were only two laboratories in Africa - one in Senegal and the other in South Africa - which had the reagents needed to test samples. They have been working as referral laboratories for countries around the region."
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-51403865Untrue.
Kids can get the virus, and presumably if symptomatic can spread it on.
Just less kids are getting it \ and less severe doses.
https://qz.com/1810299/can-kids-get-coronavirus/
As the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recently stated, “children with confirmed Covid-19 have generally presented with mild symptoms, and though severe complications…have been reported, they appear to be uncommon.”
“We just don’t understand whether children are getting infected at low rates or just not showing very strong symptoms,” said Marc Lipsitch, head of the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health’s Center for Communicable Disease DynamicsRob A. Bank wrote: »The USA now appears to be in the same position now where China was in the middle of January.
The composition of Trump’s team to battle the virus...
What could possibly go wrong ?
!5 New Cases in Belgium today.megabomberman wrote: »https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1234412194600824832?s=20
This is the nominal leader we have in charge of this!Rob A. Bank wrote: »There are still a lot of unknowns about this new virus but...
One of the few good news stories from the report of The World Health Organization international expert mission...Hector Savage wrote: »Think about this. How we react now and how we react to try and slow down the spread is potentially what will help our healthcare services deal with an uptake in cases. All sources that discuss these sort of outbreaks would say that you want a balanced up/down graph of people infected over a longer period of time.
I have copied and pasted this graph, purely for discussional purposes in terms of how we would prefer our infections to go.. If we take the green and the connected blue line as an example, in terms of cases , particularly severe cases, we would much prefer the blue line, for cases to show up consistantly over a longer period of time.
The green line would be a potential disaster and make an already worse situation even more daunting. The CFR goes up the less people have access to medical services. More people stretching our hospitals/doctors etc at the same time will equate to more people dieing because the services cant treat everybody at the same time.
You dont not shut down a city or country because "well 85% of the people will be grand", you do it when the spread is happening so fast your health system cant keep up with the new patients. People have to stop thinking just about themselves and start getting their heads around this. There are so many factors that are going to cause issues that most of us havent considered.
What about people who arent infected, but need medical attention ? What about children getting sick and needing to goto hospital ? If all resources have been rediverted to infected patients, how do we treat non infected patients that need hospital treatment ?
Maybe it wont be so bad here, but I would of thought that Italy/Germany and France are maybe a week ahead of us in terms of whats coming here. We have absolutely no logical reason at this stage to believe that Ireland is anything special or any extra protection from this virus. That is not scaremongering, is just a statement of fact. Its clear that most people are not really thinking about this much beyond "will I die", which is understandable but that will most likely lead to complacency.No update folks, just day 1 of self isolation for me and my family. Boy was in school for 4 days before any action was taken. I see kids from my daughters class out and about on road which is madness.skepticalme wrote: »Haven't seen this on any of the threads. Happened a few days ago.
https://filipinotimes.net/news/2020/02/26/south-korean-official-charge-coronavirus-outbreak-commits-suicide/
In a report on Arirang and Seoul Economic Daily, the man came from the Office of Emergency Safety Planning at the Ministry of Justice. He was in charged of national emergency situations and crisis management.First cases in Andorra and Portugal
Only a couple of European countries havnt reported cases yet, I think just Hungary Poland and UkraineThePopehimself wrote: »South Korea: 45 day old baby infected
DAEGU, March 1 (Yonhap) -- A 45-day-old baby has been diagnosed with the novel coronavirus, health authorities here said Sunday, becoming the youngest patient in South Korea.
Health authorities said the baby boy, born on Jan. 15, 2020, tested positive for COVID-19 after their parents had contracted the virus.
https://en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN2020030100150032098fm Adrian Kennedy Show had a parent of a kid from the school on.
Podcast should be up later today.
Interestingly, he says the boy was sick at school for a whole week (according to his daughter who is a classmate) before it was brought to the attention of the HSE.
Now, you can take that show with a pinch of salt if you like but they are going to keep in touch during the week with him so some background check must have occurred
He says he wasn't told to keep his other two kids off from a different school but he has.
He's also off work.
I still do not understand why the authorities didn't at least take all particulars of people on flights from Italy and follow up with them seeing as cancelling flights to/from Italy (the biggest infection vector in Europe) is such a no-no.
So many questions - the parent(s) of the kid, the school, the HSE, the government.In France if you or your child must self isolate,you will be paid for 20 days of work. Something like this needs to be brought in to Ireland if things get worse.Believe it or not we were told my my 2 boys school to send them in if they feel ok. There off and will be staying off for 2 weeks. School is to send an updated email later.
Were lucky we have two bathrooms, trying to keep my daughter in her room mostly and keep the upstairs bathroom for her use only. Were using paper and plastic plates and forks etc. Kids washing hands more regular.
We have enough food for a week and will be getting take always too. Just going to have a lazy film day today.
Theres parents currently at school which again is madness.
Ill update further throughout the day.https://www.info-coronavirus.be/nl/2020/03/02/zes-nieuwe-gevallen-van-covid-19-na-einde-krokusvakantie/
6 new cases in Belgium ,all recently returned from Italy. A large percent of the Italian population must have this virus for it so infect such an enormous amount of touristsThePopehimself wrote: »Tipperary TD calls for 'full disclosure' of coronavirus cases across Ireland
A Tipperary TD is calling on the HSE and other responsible Government agencies to “tell people the full truth” about the coronavirus (Covid-19) outbreak in Ireland.
Sinn Féin’s Martin Browne says there have been rumours circulating locally about employees being sent home from work in Tipperary, and that the lack of information from the Department of Health is doing “nothing to ease the fears of the people” about the potential spread of the coronavirus.
Deputy Browne wants the Department of Health to “come clean and stop hiding behind excuses like confidentiality.”
https://www.tipperarylive.ie/news/cashel/521837/tipperary-staff-sent-home-from-work-after-coronavirus-outbreak.html
I agree 100%. Not naming the school yesterday was not a breach of confidentiality, it was a failure to inform the public.
There should be no secrecy, it’s not about confidentiality, it’s about public safety.JohnnyFlash wrote: »https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/29/health/coronavirus-n95-face-masks.html
That’s where the Surgeon General of the United States asks members of the public to stop buying face masks as, “They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus, but if health care providers can’t get them to care for sick patients, it puts them and our communities at risk!”
I’d rather trust the advice of him than the sort of dangerous and hysterical bullshït and misinformation being spread on sites like this and reddit. I think sites like Boards actually have a duty of care to stop the spread of this fake news and anxiety inducing misinformation that targets the stupid people in our society.Duke of Url wrote: »A Cork secondary school has cancelled a planned ski trip to northern Italy over coronavirus fears. The board of management of Colaiste an Spioraid in Bishopstown made the decision on Friday night to cancel the trip, which would have seen some of its students and teachers depart over the weekend.
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/cork-school-cancels-italy-ski-trip-over-coronavirus-fears-985165.htmlHere’s a verified expert who has more experience in dealing with disease outbreaks then probably anybody in this country.
Most people probably haven’t watched it or even heard of it and his message is very clear. I did a commentary on one of these threads last week as it was being streamed. Below are some of my notes as it was going live.... Watch it yourself and draw your own conclusions on what you think he is advising..... here’s my notes:
Starting here https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112643643&postcount=863
I hear them say "Get prepared, get your population ready and plan because its most likely coming". "You have to bring your population with you early because things are going to change quickly and you have to have the tools to communicate and adapt as things change". .
I do think that he has used this press conference to basically tell the world community to cop the f**k on and start taking this seriously , communicating/preparing populartions and taking preventitive measures.
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"Lots of talk of psychological support for those who were sick and quarantined. This was as important a part of the solution as anything." " That sense of helplessness in a face of virus, science is incredible, we have seen a country take a war footbing in the absence of vaccine but its not going to work if a society is not highly sensitised to it. The average time from onset to when it breaks out is 15 days. You have to cut that right down, in China they have cut it down to 3 days, thats why the cases are dropping fast. They are choking off the virus ability to find susceptitles. Peopel want to know what is this thing. IS there anything we can do about this ? I have a family. The day you think you are ready you are not ready. YOu never feel completely ready. Countries have to prepare their population"
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" We have escalating outbreaks in industrialized countries. You have got to try and respond"
"4 big observations about China
- Strategy
- Impact it had
- Next steps
- Collaboration (get ready and buy more time)
"This is not SARS or FLU, dont get stuck thinking one thing or another"
"We are not using the time well"
"These are the things that are going to help. USe the time well. Get ready. Do the right studies."
Final message "GET PREPARED. USE THE TIME WELL"
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Question: "How do you explain the fast spread in Italy and why they were not ready and when you mentioned war, what did you mean by that ?"
"I have not been in any other country who has been managing this thing so I dont know the circumstances of different countries. But there is really important lessons we can learn from it. This tells you what this virus can do. I keep hearing people say well that happens because of this (ie we just dont know why its popping up in random spots).
1. Think the virus is going to show up tomorrow. If you dont think that way you wont be ready
2. If it hits us we have to stop it (otherwise you have lost before you started)
3. You know you are going to need beds, quarantine close contacts so you have to be able to accommodate those people
4. You need enough ventilators
5. You need to be bale to transfer people
6. YOU need the lab capacity to test people (not an x-ray - In china they CT scan them - How many countries have CT scans and how many can they put through in a day)
7. Do you have people who know how to fill out an investigation form, where thats going to be sent and who will reivew it ?
8. Talk to your population - "Folks we have to be ready to do this tomorrow"
9. Talk to people who have done it (China - hence all the praise for China)
All "Super dooable" . .
So fail to prepare, prepare to fail. This has been a really good conference
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These people (China) really care about their population" Dr Bruce Aylward
In short he explained what sort of resources he saw himself and that you are actually safer to get the virus in China then anywhere else because they are investing huge resources for their people.
Still Live now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XF6AZv8P3i4
Mindset issues:
- Mindset Shift
- Communities accepting Quarantine and isolation
- Materially, are we ready to isolate that many people
"But we have to overcome it"..
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I posted a lot more but his message was clear. PREPARE your population. . Most people I speak to think this is a joke or something that’s going to be a minor inconvenience at best. Doesn’t sound like most people are prepared for anything. The time to prepare is not when things have gotten worse. The message from our authority’s that “there is a low chance this will spread in ireland” is not a message that suggest people should prepare for anything.Rob A. Bank wrote: »Distribution of laboratory confirmed cases of COVID-19 in the EU/EEA and the UK, as of 2 March 2020
Big jump in the number of daily cases in Europe !
:-(Well, we’ve just been put on work-from-home notice. From today on we need to go home every evening prepared not to come back in if the call is made, so basically bring laptop, charger, notes etc. home with us every evening, make sure everyone has the video conference app installed, etc. No client meetings to be held in the office until further notice. Boss said it’s ‘inevitable’ that the instruction will come but that they’ll delay it for as long as possible just so people don’t crack up if the crisis ends up going on for longer than we might assume. Our Hong Kong office has been closed for seven weeks and they’re all going stir crazy, apparently.
Very strange atmosphere around town today, it feels like everyone is just waiting on something to happen.Rob A. Bank wrote: »Looks like the Italy numbers (yellow) have more than doubled overnight !
https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea
:-(Czech Republic has suspended flights from Milano, Bologna, Venezia and South Corea according to Italian newspapers.The risk of coronavirus in the European Union has risen from moderate to high, the president of the European Commission has confirmed.
Source: Sky NewsTrust also erodes when people think their right to privacy will not be respected.
Imagine that you present today to your GP. He suspects coronavirus, you get tested and confirmed.
So they ring your workplace and tell them you've got coronavirus. Then they publish the name of your workplace and the fact that a case has been discovered there.
Only problem is, your workplace is a secretary and two solicitors. And you're the secretary. Think about the impact of that, and how many people now know that YOU have coronavirus. People you didn't tell, people you don't really know. Idiots who will take their business elsewhere, because infection, or something. People who will tell their kids to stop playing with your kids, who will give you weird looks in the supermarket in six months time.
Now imagine you're not the poor bastard who's been outed on the national news.
You're an onlooker, working in a similarly small business or similarly small town. You've been feeling a bit poorly.
Do you think the actions of the HSE are going to encourage you to come forward for testing? Or are you more likely to wait it out and see what happens?
I appreciate that the name of the school may not be immediately private information, but people are well able to put two & two together. And as we can see from this thread, are well able to panic - "I walked past that school 3 weeks ago! OMFFFGGGGG!!!!".
By not releasing the information publically, the HSE are maintaining a basic pillar of any health system - trust that your privacy is of the utmost importance unless there is a massively compelling reason to breach it.Seven positives in Roman hospital.
First case in Sardinia.Cases all over Italy at the moment (but mostly concentrated in the north and densely populated areas).
984 in Lombardy
285 in Emilia-Romagna
263 in Veneto
49 in Piedmont
25 in Marche
25 in Liguria
17 in Campania
13 in Tuscany
9 in Sicily
6 in Lazio
6 in Friuli-Venezia Giulia
5 in Abruzzo
3 in Puglia
2 in Umbria
1in the Autonomous Province of Bolzano
1 In Calabria
Compare and contrast with how Australia does it:
https://www.smh.com.au/national/scramble-to-find-passengers-after-woman-falls-sick-on-melbourne-flight-20200302-p5461h.html
There is no place for coyness or privacy if they in any way hinder communications that might benefit others and society.Rob A. Bank wrote: »ThePopehimself wrote: »Events cancelled in Italy:
*Many smaller local carnival events planned in towns across the country this week have cancelled as a precaution by local authorities, even in areas where no cases of coronavirus have been confirmed.
*The Carnevalone liberato di Poggio Mirteto in Lazio, which had been scheduled to begin on March 1st. Cancelled.
*Performances at Milan's famed opera house La Scala have also been called off.
*Milan Fashion Week was closed to the public as a precaution.
*Milan Furniture Fair but has been pushed back to June.
*Parma's Mercanteinfiera event, dedicated to antiques, modern antiques and vintage collectibles, has been postponed until June.
*Bologna's Children's Book Fair has also been postponed until May.
*The International Journalism Festival, set to be held in Perugia, Umbria, in April, has been cancelled.
*Sporting events and competitions "of all types and disciplines, in public or private places" are suspended in the regions of Emilia-Romagna, Friuli Venezia Giulia, Lombardy, Veneto and Piedmont.
*Five Serie football matches have been postponed, including the clash between Juventus and Inter Milan.
* AC Milan v Genoa, Parma v SPAL, and Sassuolo v Brescia, Udinese v Fiorentina. Cancelled
*The country's rugby and volleyball federations also have postponed fixtures set to take place next weekend.
*Italy's Six Nations match with Ireland in Dublin was cancelled.
*The Bologna Marathon scheduled for Sunday March 1st was also cancelled.For closed cases, ie those who have recovered or died, the mortality rate is 6%. This figure is slowly falling, because it includes figures from the earliest weeks of the virus when what was being dealt with was not just unknown but being covered up. So hopefully it will continue to fall but as it stands, this virus has a 6% mortality rate, which really is quite serious.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/Estimates up of to 1000 infections on Japan's North Island, confirmed are just 68
https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20200302/k10012310251000.htmlThere are variations worldwide in how public health officials are managing information on this. Here is Singapore:
https://www.gov.sg/article/covid-19-cases-in-singaporehttps://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-iran/tehran-reports-66-dead-from-coronavirus-as-who-team-heads-to-iran-idUSKBN20P1E6?utm_source=reddit.com
Deputy Health Minister Alireza Raisi claims 66 people have died in Tehran alone. A team of WHO officials are heading to Tehran now.https://rr.sapo.pt/2020/03/02/pais/coronavirus-chega-a-portugal-dois-casos-confirmados-no-porto/noticia/183817/
Portuguese national became infected after travelling to Spain. Spain claims to have no outbreak of community transmission currentlyHeard today google are banning all international travel for all its staff from friday.Korbin Ashy Tube wrote: »We have a confirmed case where I work(in Germany). It was annouced 2 hours ago. People are only talking about the virus now.Korbin Ashy Tube wrote: »I work at BMW in Munich. It was announced interally at 12:00 exactly. At 12:03 it was in every German newspaper. **** travels fast.SeaBreezes wrote: »It's not spreading in Thailand.... but they have a HUGE increase in viral pneumonia at the moment. Odd, isn't it?Story of the day from BBC News:
Meanwhile in Southampton, UK, people have been warned not to touch pop singer Peter Andre.
Governments don't have to abide by GDPR where matters of national security or public safety are involved. The issue is the Irish government's attitude and competence.I received a wassup yesterday. Seemingly it cannot survive above 26. The Italians are sighting this for complacency. Average temps will be at 28 by mid April.
*Wuhan virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed at a temperature of 26-27 degrees*
Seemingly this is why it is not Spreading in Thailand ( 43 cases ), Cambodia ( remarkably difficult to source data, and Southern Laos( no cases reported)
https://laotiantimes.com/2020/02/04/why-laos-has-not-reported-any-coronavirus-cases/
I am not pretending to be an expert, but it is making sense about the temperature. I would love to know what is happening in Cambodia.
Human body is 36-37 degrees.
So clearly this is not correct that the virus dies because the ambient temperature goes up.
The link between temperatures and infection spread is complicated. But one aspect is that some are more capable of surviving in a dormant state in lower temperatures than high ones.0 -
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I went to bed at about 6.30am, have finally caught up. In case anyone else is in a similar boat, and wants to avoid trawling through to catch up, I've quoted the posts I thought were interesting/informative, and avoided most of the back-and-forth that we've had many times before, and the idle speculation about Tipperary which had nothing to back it up. Apologies to those who take offence at my having not included their posts, and for having the gall to judge (and at a very rapid scan at that), but this is something I would myself have appreciated this morning :P There may be a post in here I meant to unquote, but I couldn't find it scanning now, so apologies if that slipped through.
Obviously any conversation/quoting is missing, but if your curiosity is piqued, you can just click the post.
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