Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! *read OP*

Beasty

It's "offically" arrived in Ireland with the first confirmed case beyond the one reported in NI earlier in the week. I fully expect temperatures to rise but would request everyone pays attention to the mod warnings carried over from earlier threads and set out below. In particular please remain civil to each other

First thread

Second thread

Mod warnings:

Beasty wrote: »

OK, time to step in with some mod instructions:

1. Please interact in a civil manner
2. Do not tell others what to do, or what to post
3. If you have a problem with a post report it and leave the modding to the mods

In terms of thread content:

4. Treat everything you read here with caution. Anything posted is from an anonymous internet poster. You cannot assume anyone has any "specialist" knowledge whatever they claim
5. Statistics are important to some (and I personally pay a lot of attention to them), but they are of very little use to anyone who is already caught up in this, or indeed knows of people who are caught up
6. Terms such as "sinus", "airborne", "aerosol" have little relevance at this time in this jurisdiction. Ultimately though if cases are discovered in Ireland please pay attention to the relevant authorities and what they advise/recommend, and not some randomer(s) on the internet

All the above is me talking as a complete layman on the subject. Like everything in this thread do not treat it as chapter and verse, beyond paying attention to items 1-3 above

Any questions please PM me - do not try and dissect this post in-thread

Beasty wrote: »

Last time it was a "suggestion"/request

Now it's an instruction

Stop all the tit for tat stuff on the stats. None of us are in full possession of the facts and none of us can draw any "definitive" conclusions. Bottom line. It's serious. Not serious in Ireland at this stage, but may become so. Anyone caught up in this is not going to take much solace from any stats however they are complied

Any questions PM me - do not respond to this warning in-thread

Beasty wrote: »

OK

A number of posts have been sanctioned although it could have been many more

Could everyone please re-read the warnings in the OP

Could I also re-emphasise - attack the post, not the poster

I understand people can get very emotional about this sort of thing. Regardless of that there is no reason this cannot be discussed in a civil manner. Yes there are people implying there is little to worry about. Equally there are some doom and gloom merchants in the thread. Despite appearances I actually think most posters are probably somewhere in the middle recognising this is serious, but at this stage not overly so in Ireland

Whatever your own views are please recognise others are entitled to different views., Even if at different extremes please do not try and repeatedly ram your views down the throats of those who have differing views

In due course we may well have a far better understanding of this virus, but at present I do not think anyone can claim anything approaching a full understanding, and as always we need to take information posted by anonymous internet posters with a pinch of salt

Any questions PM me

All threadbans carry over, but we will reconsider if anyone wishes to discuss it further via PM

Please remember we have a Conspiracy Theories forum for speculation. Treat any information posted here as if it's from an anonymous internet poster. No-one is an expert here whatever they may claim. Please provide reliable sources where you can, and if you cannot please caveat your claims accordingly

This thread will be opened later this evening as Thread II heads towards the 10.000 post barrier

Beasty

I'm opening this one up with a very clear warning. Cut out all this cover-up/conspiracy stuff. If you have a reliable source quote it (not just their words but provide a link to a reliable source) - otherwise your claims carry little if any weight

Kermit.de.frog

Do we get a free lollypop each on the opening of a new thread?

Beasty

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Do we get a free lollypop each on the opening of a new thread?

If everyone can send one to the Office I will collate and re-distribute to the good little children in the thread....

fritzelly

So 3 new cases and 1 death in the rest of China

China strong, China good

73bc61lyohr0mu

The joys of working as a driver on night shift. Pretty much no contact with people. My van is my own little isolation box.

skimpydoo

To those who say it's like the flu and you will recover that's not so for me and many others with compromised immune systems.

gabeeg

Can I use questionable maths?

I say maths, but its sums really

tom1ie

From what ive read, people with even no symptoms can spread it. Which would be a nightmare.
Yeah asymptomatic people. They are all over the place is reports are to be believed.

Kermit.de.frog

fritzelly wrote: »

So 3 new cases and 1 death in the rest of China

China strong, China good

Well done comrades

tillyfilly

This virus is very changeable, it’s possible we know very little about it
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2020/02/coronavirus-outbreak-bigger-latest-updates-200228232914773.html

tom1ie

23 tested positive in uk for c19.

sdanseo

fritzelly wrote: »

So 3 new cases and 1 death in the rest of China

China strong, China good

Each province releases at different times doesn't it?

fritzelly

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I'd say we should chip in and get the mods a few lollypops for dealing with this madness.

I think they'd appreciate some face masks more

tom1ie

tillyfilly wrote: »

This virus is very changeable, it’s possible we know very little about it
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2020/02/coronavirus-outbreak-bigger-latest-updates-200228232914773.html

It’s only 12 weeks old!

Quantum Erasure

On the 9 o'clock news all they would say was the person was from the east coast, heard Harris on Playback this morning about the passenger who passed through Dublin airport a few days ago on route to the north, you'd swear he was being asked to divulge the third secret of Fatima.

tom1ie

fritzelly wrote: »

I think they'd appreciate some face masks more

No good.

BorneTobyWilde

The talk on CNN is they lost 2-3 weeks by not testing early, and because of it the virus must have spread hugely. Looks like we have made same mistake.

Kermit.de.frog

sdanseo wrote: »

Each province releases at different times doesn't it?

There may be an issue with test kits - vast majority are in Hubei apparently.

There is NO WAY, no matter what ridiculous god you believe in, that there is 570 new cases in Hubei and 34 new deaths while there are 3 confirmed cases for the remaining 1.3 billion.

CinemaGuy45

I agree we do not know enough yet.

I am not trying to scare people I have elderly relatives and I am worried for them.

I say prepare for the worst and hope for the best.:)

Saying everything is going to be just fine actually worries me.

I think the worst case outcome should be clearly laid out along with common sense tips on trying to minimise the risk.

tom1ie

1000 cases in Italy 29 deaths. BBC news

wylo

fritzelly wrote: »

So 3 new cases and 1 death in the rest of China

China strong, China good

you mean outside of epicenter? Cause Im seeing 575 new cases and 35 deaths.


I feel bad counting these for purely selfish reasons to see how this will pan out. Each death means a devastated family.

tom1ie

wylo wrote: »

you mean outside of epicenter? Cause Im seeing 575 new cases and 35 deaths.


I feel bad counting these for purely selfish reasons to see how this pan out. Each death means a devastated family.

Agreed but unfortunately we are gonna have to get used to death figures going up everywhere soon. We have to hope by some miracle ireland is different.

Cupatae

Beasty wrote: »

If everyone can send one to the Office I will collate and re-distribute to the good little children in the thread....

I heard from a reliable source on whats app and snapchat that this is just a ploy to get all the lolipops.

BorneTobyWilde

The fact someone died in Washington means that person was fine for up to 3 weeks before they got sick. Which means they spread it far and wide.

fritzelly

wylo wrote: »

you mean outside of epicenter? Cause Im seeing 575 new cases and 35 deaths.


I feel bad counting these for purely selfish reasons to see how this will pan out. Each death means a devastated family.

Yes outside Hubei

tillyfilly

Im sure if we make it to Summer the heat will help rid us of this pestilence

Rob A. Bank

In the UK they tell the public in detail where the positive cases are from and where the possible infection sources are.

The cases are from Gloucestershire, Hertfordshire and Berkshire.

An infant school in Berkshire has issued a statement saying one of its members of staff had tested positive for the virus.

The man, who is being treated at Guy's and St Thomas' Hospital in central London, had not been abroad recently - unlike the other cases in the UK.

Officials are trying to trace people who had contact with him. Haslemere Health Centre, which he had attended, has now reopened after "deep cleaning".

A pub in Haslemere, called the Prince of Wales, also closed for a deep clean as "a precautionary measure". A sign outside the pub said that "a customer who visited us has tested positive for coronavirus"....

Since the first UK cases were confirmed in York - two Chinese nationals - positive tests have been recorded in the south of England, Derbyshire, south Wales and Northern Ireland.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51684624

Here the HSE released really vague information about the first 2 cases here, which results in crazy speculation and all kinds of unfounded rumors. The excuse of patient confidentiality for this vagueness is quite frankly ridiculous.

Meticulous case and contact identification is how you limit the spread of viral diseases like this and also by keeping the public onside and informed. So said Dr Bruce Aylward the WHO expert who defeated Ebola in Africa and who has almost defeated Polio worldwide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m048uAa8L3k

I do realize that we are all facing this huge unprecedented public health emergency for the first time and therefore everyone (including the HSE) deserves some slack, but mealy mouthed evasive answers to legitimate questions destroys trust and is not the way to go.

Please stop hiding essential information from us HSE and Health Minister… straight talking, transparency and honesty is key to defeating this menace which threatens us all.

Cupatae

tillyfilly wrote: »

Im sure if we make it to Summer the heat will help rid us of this pestilence

or just be dying sick in the heat, which would be an absolute **** buzz

tom1ie

tillyfilly wrote: »

Im sure if we make it to Summer the heat will help rid us of this pestilence

Thailand?

Cupatae

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

In the UK they tell the public in detail where the positive cases are from and where the possible infection sources are.





Here the HSE released really vague information about the first 2 cases here, which results in crazy speculation and all kinds of unfounded rumors. The excuse of patient confidentiality for this vagueness is quite frankly ridiculous.

Meticulous case and contact identification is how you limit the spread of viral diseases like this and also by keeping the public onside and informed. So said Dr Bruce Aylward the WHO expert who defeated Ebola in Africa and who has almost defeated Polio worldwide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m048uAa8L3k

I do realize that we are all facing this huge unprecedented public health emergency for the first time and therefore everyone (including the HSE) deserves some slack, but mealy mouthed evasive answers to legitimate questions destroys trust and is not the way to go.

Please stop hiding essential information from us HSE and Health Minister… straight talking, transparency and honesty is key to defeating this menace which threatens us all.

They are being vague for a reason tho, its to avoid widespread panic, imagine the paranoia that would set in if they put out there could be more cases thru out the country. They are in a difficult spot.

JP Liz V1

https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/coronavirus.html

HSE not very helpful

RoryMac

Cupatae wrote: »

or just be dying sick in the heat, which would be an absolute **** buzz

Heat?? You must be new to Ireland

JRant

Good man Harris. Call off the rugby but leave thousands arrive from Italy on a daily basis. Wouldn't want to disrupt the global economy. It was always going to get here but Christ on a bike we could have made it a little harder.

wylo

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

In the UK they tell the public in detail where the positive cases are from and where the possible infection sources are.





Here the HSE released really vague information about the first 2 cases here, which results in crazy speculation and all kinds of unfounded rumors. The excuse of patient confidentiality for this vagueness is quite frankly ridiculous.

Meticulous case and contact identification is how you limit the spread of viral diseases like this and also by keeping the public onside and informed. So said Dr Bruce Aylward the WHO expert who defeated Ebola in Africa and who has almost defeated Polio worldwide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m048uAa8L3k

I do realize that we are all facing this huge unprecedented public health emergency for the first time and therefore everyone (including the HSE) deserves some slack, but mealy mouthed evasive answers to legitimate questions destroys trust and is not the way to go.

Please stop hiding essential information from us HSE and Health Minister… straight talking, transparency and honesty is key to defeating this menace which threatens us all.

Not sure I agree, Simon Harris was getting abuse on RTE Radio 1 for not revealing whether the NI case travelled on a train or not to Belfast. But I can see why he wouldnt and he was unapologetic about it. Sometimes more details only contribute to hysteria that will not only cause serious economic problems, but more importantly wont actually help prevent the spread of anything.

Loafing Oaf

tillyfilly wrote: »

Im sure if we make it to Summer the heat will help rid us of this pestilence

More global warming we need! Pipe down Greta!:P

tillyfilly

tom1ie wrote: »

Thailand?

Court-town

gabeeg

Does anyone know where we can get actual data?

Could we all be making scary graphs instead of saying scary things?

Cupatae

RoryMac wrote: »

Heat?? You must be new to Ireland

Shur wasnt the country literally on fire one of the summers.

JP Liz V1

Do Dettol do shampoo and body wash? I have the soap

kenmc

tillyfilly wrote: »

Im sure if we make it to Summer the heat will help rid us of this pestilence

Yeah, but only if we're still allowed fly to those warm countries.

BanditLuke

tillyfilly wrote: »

Im sure if we make it to Summer the heat will help rid us of this pestilence

It's speading in cold and freezing Bahrain.

darjeeling

gabeeg wrote: »

Does anyone know where we can get actual data?

Could we all be making scary graphs instead of saying scary things?

This gives a lot more granular detail than worldometers page, and seems mostly accurate:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_2019%E2%80%9320_coronavirus_outbreak

Links point to other wiki pages for some countries with outbreaks where you'll find even more numbers, case details - e.g Italy outbreak page

forzacalcio

Third thread Ive read at this stage, god knows how many posts. Have I taken precaution? Yes, Have I purchased tinned food etc? Yes.

What I cannot understand is the people who are demanding we all take the doom merchant approach. Yes lets all be sensible, lets all take precaution but the absolute extreme views amaze me.

People, lets just..

1) Wash their hands regularly
2) If you have a cough, cough into your arm/elbow region

Two basic things we need to do, lets not go overboard on freaking out but lets also not be so blase. There is a middle ground here.
People do love a bit of drama just as much as tin foil hat accusations. What a country we live in.

Call Me Jimmy

wylo wrote: »

Not sure I agree, Simon Harris was getting abuse on RTE Radio 1 for not revealing whether the NI case travelled on a train or not to Belfast. But I can see why he wouldnt and he was unapologetic about it. Sometimes more details only contribute to hysteria that will not only cause serious economic problems, but more importantly wont actually help prevent the spread of anything.

People will panic more when a glut of cases pops up 'out of nowhere'. So you buy a week or two of no panic, spread it more and finally confirm 20 cases at once.

Containment and transparency are the only game in town and the threshold before it gets out of control is in the tens of cases.

GooglePlus

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Do Dettol do shampoo and body wash? I have the soap

They do, it's just like the normal bottle but you apply it to your hair and body. Enjoy your stripper.

BanditLuke

Best quote iv'e seen on the virus.

"If only this could only infect Brexit voters, prior to 2016"

Night folks

JRant

wylo wrote: »

Not sure I agree, Simon Harris was getting abuse on RTE Radio 1 for not revealing whether the NI case travelled on a train or not to Belfast. But I can see why he wouldnt and he was unapologetic about it. Sometimes more details only contribute to hysteria that will not only cause serious economic problems, but more importantly wont actually help prevent the spread of anything.

Oh yeah, it's such a threat yet he can't tell any possible people that may have come in contact with this person to get checked out.
Details are all that matter for events such as these.

citysights

tom1ie wrote: »

1000 cases in Italy 29 deaths. BBC news

Any break down on the age bracket of the deceased( not that that makes it any better) It’s a high number of deaths.

Rob A. Bank

Cupatae wrote: »

They are being vague for a reason tho, its to avoid widespread panic, imagine the paranoia that would set in if they put out there could be more cases thru out the country. They are in a difficult spot.

IMHO the vagueness is more likely to cause panic, because it spawns so many unfounded rumors and much ridiculous speculation.

Unvarnished truth, transparency and honesty is the only way to go

Downlinz

Anyone going to the supermarket tomorrow to stock up? Be honest.