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Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! *read OP*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,003 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Stupid politician makes stupid political statement, yet you blame a poster for politicising this?

    Have to say that while there is a little bit more specific information in the Dutch cases, it isn't really that different to the Irish situation. No names of schools, no names of workplaces, information that a hospital is closed so that people won't go there. The information on locality is more detailed, but that is only a matter of degree.

    The type of information being sought on social media in Ireland - flight numbers, bus journeys, train journeys, schools, names - is not being given out by the Dutch either.

    Compare and contrast with how Australia does it:
    Authorities are scrambling to track down passengers who were on a plane which arrived in Melbourne from Malaysia and Bali on Friday morning after a Victorian woman on board tested positive for coronavirus.
    a Victorian woman on board a Malindo Air flight has tested positive for coronavirus.

    a Victorian woman on board a Malindo Air flight has tested positive for coronavirus.

    Chief Health Officer Brett Sutton said Monday that authorities were racing to contact people who travelled on Malindo Air flight OD177 from Kuala Lumpur to Melbourne via Denpasar.

    Dr Sutton warned, however, the process of tracing each individual passenger could take days and urged all people on board the flight to make contact with authorities themselves.

    The delay means some passengers may be unaware they are at risk of having the virus and unwittingly roaming around the city.

    The flight arrived at Tullamarine just after 6am on Friday, February 28.

    Dr Sutton said the state's health department had asked the federal government for a breakdown of the number of passengers on board the flight and that request had been forwarded to Malindo Air and border control.

    "From a state point of view, obviously, we want that information immediately," Dr Sutton said.

    "This process usually takes a few days. That's why we put those details out about the flight so if anyone is on board the flight they can make contact with us immediately and we can give them details on what they need to do and what they need to look out for."

    The state's Department of Health and Human Services confirmed the woman landed in Melbourne from Iran after travelling from Tehran via Kuala Lumpur and Bali.

    The woman aged in her 30s is Victoria's ninth confirmed coronavirus case. She started feeling unwell while travelling to Melbourne.

    "The Commonwealth is working on trying to streamline that process as best as they possibly can, but they have to work with individual airlines and their own IT systems and their data information gathering to ensure that is as official as possible," Dr Sutton said.

    Dr Sutton said authorities were particularly keen to speak with passengers sitting within two rows of the infected woman, adding that those passengers would need to be quarantined in their homes for a period 14 days.

    "The primary transmission is droplets, so that means immediate vicinity, within a few metres from the patient," Dr Sutton said.

    ...

    All passengers on board the flight are urged to be on alert for symptomns including a fever, cough, runny nose or shortness of breath and seek medical help if they suspect they have contracted the virus.
    https://www.smh.com.au/national/scramble-to-find-passengers-after-woman-falls-sick-on-melbourne-flight-20200302-p5461h.html

    There is no place for coyness or privacy if they in any way hinder communications that might benefit others and society.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    488 people on trolleys in Irish hospitals today

    https://www.inmo.ie/Trolley_Ward_Watch


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 336 ✭✭ThePopehimself


    Events cancelled in Italy:

    *Many smaller local carnival events planned in towns across the country this week have cancelled as a precaution by local authorities, even in areas where no cases of coronavirus have been confirmed.

    *The Carnevalone liberato di Poggio Mirteto in Lazio, which had been scheduled to begin on March 1st. Cancelled.

    *Performances at Milan's famed opera house La Scala have also been called off.

    *Milan Fashion Week was closed to the public as a precaution.

    *Milan Furniture Fair but has been pushed back to June.

    *Parma's Mercanteinfiera event, dedicated to antiques, modern antiques and vintage collectibles, has been postponed until June.

    *Bologna's Children's Book Fair has also been postponed until May.

    *The International Journalism Festival, set to be held in Perugia, Umbria, in April, has been cancelled.

    *Sporting events and competitions "of all types and disciplines, in public or private places" are suspended in the regions of Emilia-Romagna, Friuli Venezia Giulia, Lombardy, Veneto and Piedmont.

    *Five Serie football matches have been postponed, including the clash between Juventus and Inter Milan.

    * AC Milan v Genoa, Parma v SPAL, and Sassuolo v Brescia, Udinese v Fiorentina. Cancelled

    *The country's rugby and volleyball federations also have postponed fixtures set to take place next weekend.

    *Italy's Six Nations match with Ireland in Dublin was cancelled.

    *The Bologna Marathon scheduled for Sunday March 1st was also cancelled.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    KWAG2019 wrote: »
    The poster insulted voters of a particular party thereby politicizing it.
    I’m keeping to the thread: the Dutch site is much more specific not “a little bit”. Towns are named not half a country “the East”. You actually see that later in your own paragraph.

    The USA names schools in at least one jurisdiction: https://www.doh.wa.gov/Newsroom/Articles/ID/1103/Additional-Cases-of-COVID-19-in-Washington-State

    There are differing approaches by public health officials world wide. The HSE need to articulate their rationale much better.

    They have done so multiple times on media today, and I can clearly understand it.

    No, they haven't set-up fake Facebook accounts to warn of impending doom, or sent fake WhatsApp messages about workplaces in Tipperary or people in Greystones or whatever.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,385 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


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    Ffs for 100ml?!?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    wakka12 wrote: »

    Out of control all over the place now.

    I expect the blame game to start within the next 48hrs as to why governments didn't close borders earlier.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭Cupatae


    givyjoe wrote: »
    I'm basing my posts on logic and facts, not wishful thinking. If you can't handle it, don't bother replying, go and whinge to someone else.

    What have I avoided? I simply stated that we are not going to see the same level of lockdown here. It won't be adhered to. You seem to have completely misunderstood a fairly basic point I made, twice.

    To be honest, i think you love all this and talk complete nonsense, theres no point us discussing it because i honestly dont value your opinion at all, i think ur smug and talk muck most the time. We ll agree to disagree!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,486 ✭✭✭DellyBelly


    tuxy wrote: »
    Is there a twitter post about it?
    I'll only believe it if I see it on twitter.

    Yes Ido believe it was on twitter. Few people on here now think it was either a mistake or a hoax


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,460 ✭✭✭Ninthlife


    Racial assumptions too don't forget :D


    Regardless, I am actually very glad that it won't.


    Have a good day sir/madam!

    I think i might just about survive

    **tips hat** Good day to you too


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,917 ✭✭✭✭iguana


    Do some proper research - the mortality rate is currently 3.4% based on global confirmed cases versus number of people who have died.

    covid19info.live

    For closed cases, ie those who have recovered or died, the mortality rate is 6%. This figure is slowly falling, because it includes figures from the earliest weeks of the virus when what was being dealt with was not just unknown but being covered up. So hopefully it will continue to fall but as it stands, this virus has a 6% mortality rate, which really is quite serious.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,837 ✭✭✭quokula


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    But according to the HSE its low.

    The lack of alignment is baffling. Seems we are governed by Europe when it suits

    It’s not that hard to understand. Risk on a mainland where there are already hundreds of cases is higher than risk on an island where there has been a single isolated case.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    488 people on trolleys in Irish hospitals today

    https://www.inmo.ie/Trolley_Ward_Watch

    Don't worry the HSE has a world class, eh PR team.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,385 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    MarkY91 wrote: »
    One thing I'm certain of...reeling in the years 2020 is going to be s cracking watch..
    If we all make it til when it airs...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 564 ✭✭✭2ygb4cmqetsjhx


    We are gonna close the barn door after the horse has bolted. I expect this to be all over Germany in about 2-4 days. We should all be sent home to drink cans on the couch for the next few weeks.


  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,683 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    The funny thing is, as an Island, we are in a great place to self isolate the country. (I know we wouldnt), but if we closed our airports and ports, we would actually contain in. Or, anybody arriving from particular places HAVE to isolate, versus only isolating if they have "a cough or are sneezing". There are benefits of an island, unless the island becomes infected and you cant escape. Those cheap houses up in Cavan dont seem too bad now!


  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Hitchmo wrote: »
    Case found in Tipperary. People sent home from work.
    Hitchmo wrote: »
    /tipperary-staff-sent-home-from-work-after-coronavirus-outbreak. html
    Hitchmo wrote: »
    As a new user I can only post that and not a full link.
    This is not a reliable source and AFAIK no-one else has provided a reliable source, so can everyone please treat accordingly

    Thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,292 ✭✭✭1641


    seamus wrote: »
    Trust also erodes when people think their right to privacy will not be respected.

    Imagine that you present today to your GP. He suspects coronavirus, you get tested and confirmed.

    So they ring your workplace and tell them you've got coronavirus. Then they publish the name of your workplace and the fact that a case has been discovered there.

    Only problem is, your workplace is a secretary and two solicitors. And you're the secretary. Think about the impact of that, and how many people now know that YOU have coronavirus. People you didn't tell, people you don't really know. Idiots who will take their business elsewhere, because infection, or something. People who will tell their kids to stop playing with your kids, who will give you weird looks in the supermarket in six months time.

    Now imagine you're not the poor bastard who's been outed on the national news.

    You're an onlooker, working in a similarly small business or similarly small town. You've been feeling a bit poorly.

    Do you think the actions of the HSE are going to encourage you to come forward for testing? Or are you more likely to wait it out and see what happens?

    I appreciate that the name of the school may not be immediately private information, but people are well able to put two & two together. And as we can see from this thread, are well able to panic - "I walked past that school 3 weeks ago! OMFFFGGGGG!!!!".

    By not releasing the information publically, the HSE are maintaining a basic pillar of any health system - trust that your privacy is of the utmost importance unless there is a massively compelling reason to breach it.


    Well said.

    It was obvious from watching the HSE press conference yesterday that they knew the name of the school would be available immediately on social media. But they correctly stuck to the principle that they would not release information that could potentially udentify anyone.

    If we want people to self-identify immediately, and implement self-isolation, this message is essential. Apart from someone's business being ruined, I can well imagine someone being worried about the pitchfork brigade appearing, either online or in person, targetting either them individually or their children. Particularly if from an ethnic minority.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,422 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    France banned all indoor events with more than 5000 attendees - their public health officials must have some specials concerns where the numbers are above a certain threshold?

    In response, Louvre has closed as staff raised concerns that over the course of a day more than 5000 visitors pass through.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,003 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


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    These two cost me €0.85 each in Lidl a couple of weeks ago. I was advised by boards experts not to panic but bought them anyway.

    Hand-Gel-alc.jpg


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭Cupatae


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    France banned all indoor events with more than 5000 attendees - their public health officials must have some specials concerns where the numbers are above a certain threshold?

    In response, Louvre has closed as staff raised concerns that over the course of a day more than 5000 visitors pass through.

    They d want to close the tower aswell, be a breeding ground for it!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    iguana wrote: »
    For closed cases, ie those who have recovered or died, the mortality rate is 6%. This figure is slowly falling, because it includes figures from the earliest weeks of the virus when what was being dealt with was not just unknown but being covered up. So hopefully it will continue to fall but as it stands, this virus has a 6% mortality rate, which really is quite serious.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    Interesting to see, though I reckon that will continue to drop over the coming weeks, though we won't really know til the end of the week as Italy's recovery rates don't seem to be reported that well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,422 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    1641 wrote: »
    Well said. It was obvious from watching the HSE press conference yesterday that they knew the name of the shool would be available immediately on social media. But they correctly stuck to the principle that they would not release information that could potentially udentify anyone.

    How does the school name identify the pupil?
    There's hundreds of kids at the school.

    How do I use the school name to identify the patient?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Cupatae wrote: »
    To be honest, i think you love all this and talk complete nonsense, theres no point us discussing it because i honestly dont value your opinion at all, i think ur smug and talk muck most the time. We ll agree to disagree!
    Attack the post and not the poster


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Cupatae wrote: »
    Lockdown cities, shut down the country basically? with 1 confirmed case? id be interested to see our capability if it comes to that, the logistics ect.

    It's called preventative measures or we could wait until our health service is overwhelmed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,341 ✭✭✭dan786




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,808 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    I have 5ltrs of denatured alcohol and I'm currently looking recipes for hand gel that combine aloe Vera and a thickening agent!

    I'm gonna be so rich!

    On a serious note, I wouldn't sell it ;)
    The degree of profit taking in some quarters is extreme but unfortunately not at all surprising.

    I do hope that all stay safe and remember, good hand hygiene and sensible precautions will do far more to keep you safe than panic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭MOR316


    Might take the plunge and do the prep later today.

    Load up on heating oil, do a big shop, might get a crossbow. Fishing gear is an option too. Live beside a river for when the supply chain goes to pot.
    Will upgrade crossbow to shotgun when the zombie apocolypse arrives


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,497 ✭✭✭nkl12xtw5goz70


    quokula wrote: »
    It’s not that hard to understand. Risk on a mainland where there are already hundreds of cases is higher than risk on an island where there has been a single isolated case.

    Surely the risk is also lower in a country with relatively low population density, such as Ireland.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭Cupatae


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    It's called preventative measures or we could wait until our health service is overwhelmed.

    It wouldnt be as simple as that tho, there is alot more to it.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 834 ✭✭✭KWAG2019


    Cupatae wrote: »
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    I don’t see the relevance.


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