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Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! *read OP*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,439 ✭✭✭sideswipe


    Peatys wrote: »
    Why? Boards isnt where you should be going for your info.

    Cdc, who, and hse.
    Wash your hands.

    Who said anything about coming here for information?

    It's about what seems to be a need for some people to post every rumour and sensationalist click bait twitter post. (BTW that's not aimed at the OP I was referring to but a general observation).

    Like most people here I'm interested in what is a developing situation. Having unsubstantiated rumours derails the thread.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,422 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    I'd be expected to WFH if self-isolating \ office closed... I think I'd rather be in the office so am hoping it doesn't come to that.
    On the other hand, I'll still get paid.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    Should be fine.

    The worst of this, if policies are followed, should pass by April

    Even some serie A games are back this week

    You said similar last week, and without any real basis for it. Cases are currently exploding in numbers in Iran, Italy and South Korea with the numbers on the rise in UK, Germany and France. The same early patterns we saw in China, are being replicated in these places. It's far, far more likely we'll this pattern continue, than it simply trailing off.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,881 ✭✭✭Peatys


    sideswipe wrote: »
    Who said anything about coming here for information?

    It's about what seems to be a need for some people to post every rumour and sensationalist click bait twitter post. (BTW that's not aimed at the OP I was referring to but a general observation).

    Like most people here I'm interested in what is a developing situation. Having unsubstantiated rumours derails the thread.

    Back seat moderation derails the thread.
    Don't like it? Move on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    givyjoe wrote: »
    You said similar last week, and without any real basis for it. Cases are currently exploding in numbers in Iran, Italy and South Korea with the numbers on the rise in UK, Germany and France. The same early patterns we saw in China, are being replicated in these places. It's far, far more likely we'll this pattern continue, than it simply trailing off.

    Could it be simply that they are waiting for the numbers to jump to get public approval for the measures taken by China?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    Peatys wrote: »
    Reality.

    It doesn't even remotely reflect the reality we are actually seeing. We have not, and likely will not, see anything close to resembling the effort China has made being repeated anywhere else.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,460 ✭✭✭Ninthlife


    They're all hoping for a few weeks off man, don't wreck the buzz

    Far from it.

    Just wondering how anyone can determine that it will be ok to travel risk free next month


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    Downlinz wrote: »
    He's suggesting people are becoming paranoid and suspicious about everything because the HSE have been vague and unspecific with details as if they're hiding information from the public.

    I’m not trying to politicise this, but some of the new SF TDs are pretty fücking stupid - the sort you’d have seen commenting on click bait Facebook articles before they found themselves elected to the Dáil.

    The HSE are following an approach taken by many other health organisations across Europe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    DrumSteve wrote: »
    Could it be simply that they are waiting for the numbers to jump to get public approval for the measures taken by China?

    Monumentally stupid if they are actually waiting for that. I don't think we can do it, people simply won't stick to it. If China knew then (early Jan), what they know now, they would have pulled the trigger earlier, but I just don't see it being feasible here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,486 ✭✭✭DellyBelly


    So is there a second case in Tip? If so that's pretty scary...think there could be more cases by the end of the day so...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,045 ✭✭✭silver2020


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    Should be fine.

    The worst of this, if policies are followed, should pass by April

    Even some serie A games are back this week
    circadian wrote: »
    There's absolutely no way to know this for sure.
    gabeeg wrote: »
    I wouldn't count on that at all

    That seems hugely optimistic
    Ninthlife wrote: »
    What are you basing this on?

    The thinking is that as weather improves and it gets warmer, the virus will be less likely to spread. Same way as common colds and normal flu.

    Its not a certainty, but very few cases have been reported in warm weather areas.
    https://time.com/5790880/coronavirus-warm-weather-summer/

    This would give time for a vaccine to be in place for next winter


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,879 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    DellyBelly wrote: »
    So is there a second case in Tip? If so that's pretty scary...think there could be more cases by the end of the day so...

    2 + 2 = 11


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7 connollyj



    That’s where the Surgeon General of the United States asks members of the public to stop buying face masks as, “They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus, but if health care providers can’t get them to care for sick patients, it puts them and our communities at risk!”

    I’d rather trust the advice of him than the sort of dangerous and hysterical bullshït and misinformation being spread on sites like this and reddit. I think sites like Boards actually have a duty of care to stop the spread of this fake news and anxiety inducing misinformation that targets the stupid people in our society.

    I was confused about this, it seems like a contradiction. Is the point that we want to ensure health staff can get the masks and to avoid stock issues through selling to the general public?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,422 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    A Cork secondary school has cancelled a planned ski trip to northern Italy over coronavirus fears. The board of management of Colaiste an Spioraid in Bishopstown made the decision on Friday night to cancel the trip, which would have seen some of its students and teachers depart over the weekend.
    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/cork-school-cancels-italy-ski-trip-over-coronavirus-fears-985165.html

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    Considering the number of countries which have been infected by people flying from Italy... perhaps it would be wise to have a separate channel for Italy in Dublin Airport.

    A channel with more HSE scrutiny and perhaps targeted temperature checking for anyone looking unwell.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Tipperary TD calls for 'full disclosure' of coronavirus cases across Ireland

    A Tipperary TD is calling on the HSE and other responsible Government agencies to “tell people the full truth” about the coronavirus (Covid-19) outbreak in Ireland.

    Sinn Féin’s Martin Browne says there have been rumours circulating locally about employees being sent home from work in Tipperary, and that the lack of information from the Department of Health is doing “nothing to ease the fears of the people” about the potential spread of the coronavirus.

    Deputy Browne wants the Department of Health to “come clean and stop hiding behind excuses like confidentiality.”

    https://www.tipperarylive.ie/news/cashel/521837/tipperary-staff-sent-home-from-work-after-coronavirus-outbreak.html

    I agree 100%. Not naming the school yesterday was not a breach of confidentiality, it was a failure to inform the public.

    There should be no secrecy, it’s not about confidentiality, it’s about public safety.


    Why don't we just go a little step further. We should make those who are infected wear bells around their neck and go around shouting "unclean, unclean". We did it for lepers, why not for Covid19?

    Not surprised that a Sinn Fein TD would play up to hysterical public reaction.

    People are entitled to their privacy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 733 ✭✭✭synesthesia


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    2 + 2 = 11

    no second case yet comfirmed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,460 ✭✭✭Ninthlife


    silver2020 wrote: »
    The thinking is that as weather improves and it gets warmer, the virus will be less likely to spread. Same way as common colds and normal flu.

    Its not a certainty, but very few cases have been reported in warm weather areas.
    https://time.com/5790880/coronavirus-warm-weather-summer/

    This would give time for a vaccine to be in place for next winter


    Is Iran not a warm country?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,422 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    connollyj wrote: »
    I was confused about this, it seems like a contradiction. Is the point that we want to ensure health staff can get the masks and to avoid stock issues through selling to the general public?

    Apparently, it's not enough to just don the mask. Health staff have specific training in how to fit them etc discipline about taking off the mask etc.
    Ordinary people using the mask are less likely to follow these steps and so the mask will be less effective for them. But I don't know why they can't just come out and say that...

    If you are using the mask properly, the masks are effective.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    DellyBelly wrote: »
    So is there a second case in Tip? If so that's pretty scary...think there could be more cases by the end of the day so...

    This is what happens when a stupid politician uses social media. Rumours spread.

    Social media is having a far worse impact on humanity than coronavirus ever will.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Ninthlife wrote: »
    Is Iran not a warm country?

    Not in winter


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,027 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    DellyBelly wrote: »
    So is there a second case in Tip? If so that's pretty scary...think there could be more cases by the end of the day so...

    I'd say it's a lame play at getting cashel hospital a few beds, unless Lowry calls out the HSE as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    In the war against intelligence, experts are the enemy. Un-named youtube accounts provide much more accurate advice in relation to peoples beliefs.


    People need to chill the fuck out, and listen to the advice from verified experts.

    Here’s a verified expert who has more experience in dealing with disease outbreaks then probably anybody in this country.



    Most people probably haven’t watched it or even heard of it and his message is very clear. I did a commentary on one of these threads last week as it was being streamed. Below are some of my notes as it was going live.... Watch it yourself and draw your own conclusions on what you think he is advising..... here’s my notes:

    Starting here https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112643643&postcount=863

    I hear them say "Get prepared, get your population ready and plan because its most likely coming". "You have to bring your population with you early because things are going to change quickly and you have to have the tools to communicate and adapt as things change". .

    I do think that he has used this press conference to basically tell the world community to cop the f**k on and start taking this seriously , communicating/preparing populartions and taking preventitive measures.

    ................

    "Lots of talk of psychological support for those who were sick and quarantined. This was as important a part of the solution as anything." " That sense of helplessness in a face of virus, science is incredible, we have seen a country take a war footbing in the absence of vaccine but its not going to work if a society is not highly sensitised to it. The average time from onset to when it breaks out is 15 days. You have to cut that right down, in China they have cut it down to 3 days, thats why the cases are dropping fast. They are choking off the virus ability to find susceptitles. Peopel want to know what is this thing. IS there anything we can do about this ? I have a family. The day you think you are ready you are not ready. YOu never feel completely ready. Countries have to prepare their population"

    ..............

    " We have escalating outbreaks in industrialized countries. You have got to try and respond"

    "4 big observations about China
    - Strategy
    - Impact it had
    - Next steps
    - Collaboration (get ready and buy more time)


    "This is not SARS or FLU, dont get stuck thinking one thing or another"

    "We are not using the time well"

    "These are the things that are going to help. USe the time well. Get ready. Do the right studies."

    Final message "GET PREPARED. USE THE TIME WELL"

    ...............

    Question: "How do you explain the fast spread in Italy and why they were not ready and when you mentioned war, what did you mean by that ?"

    "I have not been in any other country who has been managing this thing so I dont know the circumstances of different countries. But there is really important lessons we can learn from it. This tells you what this virus can do. I keep hearing people say well that happens because of this (ie we just dont know why its popping up in random spots).

    1. Think the virus is going to show up tomorrow. If you dont think that way you wont be ready
    2. If it hits us we have to stop it (otherwise you have lost before you started)
    3. You know you are going to need beds, quarantine close contacts so you have to be able to accommodate those people
    4. You need enough ventilators
    5. You need to be bale to transfer people
    6. YOU need the lab capacity to test people (not an x-ray - In china they CT scan them - How many countries have CT scans and how many can they put through in a day)
    7. Do you have people who know how to fill out an investigation form, where thats going to be sent and who will reivew it ?
    8. Talk to your population - "Folks we have to be ready to do this tomorrow"
    9. Talk to people who have done it (China - hence all the praise for China)

    All "Super dooable" . .

    So fail to prepare, prepare to fail. This has been a really good conference

    .................

    These people (China) really care about their population" Dr Bruce Aylward

    In short he explained what sort of resources he saw himself and that you are actually safer to get the virus in China then anywhere else because they are investing huge resources for their people.

    Still Live now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XF6AZv8P3i4

    Mindset issues:

    - Mindset Shift
    - Communities accepting Quarantine and isolation
    - Materially, are we ready to isolate that many people

    "But we have to overcome it"..

    ............

    I posted a lot more but his message was clear. PREPARE your population. . Most people I speak to think this is a joke or something that’s going to be a minor inconvenience at best. Doesn’t sound like most people are prepared for anything. The time to prepare is not when things have gotten worse. The message from our authority’s that “there is a low chance this will spread in ireland” is not a message that suggest people should prepare for anything.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,422 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Ninthlife wrote: »
    Is Iran not a warm country?

    Not right now... Tehran is in single digits at the moment.
    https://www.yr.no/place/Iran/Teheran/Tehran/

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    Ninthlife wrote: »
    Is Iran not a warm country?

    Not at the moment. Qom for example is 15c.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 733 ✭✭✭synesthesia


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Why don't we just go a little step further. We should make those who are infected wear bells around their neck and go around shouting "unclean, unclean". We did it for lepers, why not for Covid19?

    Not surprised that a Sinn Fein TD would play up to hysterical public reaction.

    People are entitled to their privacy.

    no shouting please. Lepers were using Ratchets!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    DrumSteve wrote: »
    Could it be simply that they are waiting for the numbers to jump to get public approval for the measures taken by China?

    Not a good plan if you want to keep the number of infections as low as possible.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    DellyBelly wrote: »
    So is there a second case in Tip? If so that's pretty scary...think there could be more cases by the end of the day so...

    Is there a twitter post about it?
    I'll only believe it if I see it on twitter.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,422 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Given the transport links between Ireland and England, how can the the HSE say transmission in Ireland risk is low - they simply are not credible after Public Health England's announcement.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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