Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! read OP

Wheety · 02-03-2020 11:09AM

silver2020 wrote: »

And that's the problem - the media and people on social media jump to conclusions and within minutes bullsh1t made up rubbish is suddenly "fact"

Alright there, relax. I was mistaken and it was pointed out to me.

alastair · 02-03-2020 11:10AM

vladmydad wrote: »

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChinaInFocusNTD/status/1234205491070455808

Apparently China are cremating people who are still alive

That’s a Falun Gong source, so treat with the same degree of skepticism you would a Fox News or RT item on their respective whipping boys.

vladmydad · 02-03-2020 11:11AM

alastair wrote: »

That’s a Falun Gong source, so treat with the same degree of skepticism you would a Fox News or RT item on their respective whipping boys.

Fox News is a great news channel, it’s CNN that should be avoided.

Mortelaro · 02-03-2020 11:11AM

vladmydad wrote: »

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChinaInFocusNTD/status/1234205491070455808

Apparently China are cremating people who are still alive

Yeah they even got exclusive coverage from inside the fire in that video...

all about the mane · 02-03-2020 11:11AM

joseywhales wrote: »

The funniest thing about all of this is watching financial commentators on CNBC, telling everyone that it's a great time to buy! Desperately exasperated, compelling someone to save the market, it's kind of ridiculous. Getting Warren buffet footage out every day, to remind us about long term investment and how he doesn't care about short term price. What if your companies market cap drops 20% in a week? I guess it's just short term, no worries right?

I would have to say I agree with them. I think it’s a good time to buy. Of course there’s a risk but I have leveraged and sized accordingly. Discussing over of share tips thread.

Drumpot · 02-03-2020 11:11AM

Computer Science Student wrote: »

I've seen estimates of 40%-70% getting this virus worldwide. Could that be right? What a terrifyingly successful virus. Make you appreciate how fragile life is. What is to stop something coming along next year that is just as successful at spreading itself but with say a higher death rate.

Think about this. How we react now and how we react to try and slow down the spread is potentially what will help our healthcare services deal with an uptake in cases. All sources that discuss these sort of outbreaks would say that you want a balanced up/down graph of people infected over a longer period of time.

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I have copied and pasted this graph, purely for discussional purposes in terms of how we would prefer our infections to go.. If we take the green and the connected blue line as an example, in terms of cases , particularly severe cases, we would much prefer the blue line, for cases to show up consistantly over a longer period of time.

The green line would be a potential disaster and make an already worse situation even more daunting. The CFR goes up the less people have access to medical services. More people stretching our hospitals/doctors etc at the same time will equate to more people dieing because the services cant treat everybody at the same time.

You dont not shut down a city or country because "well 85% of the people will be grand", you do it when the spread is happening so fast your health system cant keep up with the new patients. People have to stop thinking just about themselves and start getting their heads around this. There are so many factors that are going to cause issues that most of us havent considered.

What about people who arent infected, but need medical attention ? What about children getting sick and needing to goto hospital ? If all resources have been rediverted to infected patients, how do we treat non infected patients that need hospital treatment ?

Maybe it wont be so bad here, but I would of thought that Italy/Germany and France are maybe a week ahead of us in terms of whats coming here. We have absolutely no logical reason at this stage to believe that Ireland is anything special or any extra protection from this virus. That is not scaremongering, is just a statement of fact. Its clear that most people are not really thinking about this much beyond "will I die", which is understandable but that will most likely lead to complacency.

alastair · 02-03-2020 11:12AM

vladmydad wrote: »

Fox News is a great news channel, it’s CNN that should be avoided.

I rest my case.

Kermit.de.frog · 02-03-2020 11:12AM

Will everyone calm down?

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mlem123 · 02-03-2020 11:13AM

threeball wrote: »

The whole containment phase is a sham. I know a lad who flew back from Asia last week. Went through three airports, not a mention of where he was or even checking a temperature. There are people with symptoms knowingly boarding planes just so they get home and screw everyone else on board. They're like giant incubators for a virus like this.

Then we have fancy schools who won't even cancel skiing trips to Italy lest they ruffle some feathers in South Dublin. Containment my arse.

Eh it wasn't just fancy south dublin schools skiing :pac: there were schools up and down the country hitting the N. Italy slopes

lawred2 · 02-03-2020 11:14AM

vladmydad wrote: »

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChinaInFocusNTD/status/1234205491070455808

Apparently China are cremating people who are still alive

It's embarrassing that you would post that

Dotsie~tmp · 02-03-2020 11:15AM

vladmydad wrote: »

The CDC is the best disease control center in the world, also the amount of federal money available is vast. The White House team are only there to react to requests from the medical experts. Stop using this crisis to attack their christen faith. It has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Trump-Degrangement-Syndrome is more lethal to the brain than Coronavirus.

lawred2 · 02-03-2020 11:15AM

mlem123 wrote: »

Eh it wasn't just fancy south dublin schools skiing :pac: there were schools up and down the country hitting the N. Italy slopes

As an aside - when did this become a thing?

Donegal schools going skiing... wtf?

Loafing Oaf · 02-03-2020 11:15AM

mlem123 wrote: »

Eh it wasn't just fancy south dublin schools skiing :pac: there were schools up and down the country hitting the N. Italy slopes

Couldn't get over how many. In my day we had to make do with a weekend trip to Dun Chaoin:P

Computer Science Student · 02-03-2020 11:15AM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

The law of averages?

Watch Pandemic on netflix, it gives one a good idea on what is going on constantly in the background to stop/limit new viruses spreading and jumping from wild and domesticated animals/birds.

I think you are misinterpreting the law of averages haha.

Sigma101 · 02-03-2020 11:16AM

DrumSteve wrote: »

It is generally thought that these are people who had not fully recovered rather than relapsed.

Initially it was said up to 14% of people who got it were at risk of getting it again.

There's a prevalent view among epidemiologists that people who've recovered from infection will not develop any long-term immunity to the virus.
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...accine/607000/

In other words 100% of people who got it may be at risk of getting it again.

LeeroyJ. · 02-03-2020 11:16AM

What are the chances of St. Patrick's Day celebrations getting cancelled? I reckon very low as Economic impact in the short term is always more important than long term for our people in charge.

mlem123 · 02-03-2020 11:16AM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Couldn't get over how many. In my day we had to make do with a weekend trip to Dun Chaoin:P

Same! And a lot of the seem to be 2nd years? We only had one "big" trip and that was in TY

Bob24 · 02-03-2020 11:17AM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Wearing a mask is a good way of signalling to the world that you are as thick as two short planks, and haven’t even been able to read and digest simple advice about the virus - wearing a face mask won’t protect you from catching it.

FFP2 and above masks definitely provide protection against droplets and dust on which the virus is attached (which is a significant infection vector), this is simple fact and medical staff are using them.

But of course it is only partial protection and it won’t help if for exemple you touch an area which has some of the virus and then touch your eyes.

alastair · 02-03-2020 11:17AM

LeeroyJ. wrote: »

What are the chances of St. Patrick's Day celebrations getting cancelled? I reckon very low as Economic impact in the short term is always more important than long term for our people in charge.

They’ve done it before. Fairly likely, I’d have said.

dan786 · 02-03-2020 11:19AM

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1234422118835773440?s=20

Jinglejangle69 · 02-03-2020 11:19AM

LeeroyJ. wrote: »

What are the chances of St. Patrick's Day celebrations getting cancelled? I reckon very low as Economic impact in the short term is always more important than long term for our people in charge.

Give it over, they canceled rugby matches already.

And people here were telling us Simon Harris overreacted and is useless rabble rabble.

If there is a risk for a big spread they will do what's necessary.

Dotsie~tmp · 02-03-2020 11:19AM

joseywhales wrote: »

It is a bit ridiculous that every country starts out with a 'low risk' or spreading until it has actually spread. It obviously has a high risk of spreading but I feel like they are afraid to say that because the public have a propensity to act in a binary fashion, either chill or panic.

One thing worried me though, that recovered patients have caught the disease again? Does that mean that it is still mutating?

High risk of spreading isn't the same as high risk of dying. And yes the have to take into mind the psychology of masses and hysteria. Once that gets going its unstoppable. So its best to keep a lid on that as it could be worse than the disease.

"We cant do **** all about this" wont make people feel better. And most people need to be lead still.

Cuckoo7 · 02-03-2020 11:19AM

Bob24 wrote: »

FFP2 and above masks definitely provide protection against droplets and dust on which the virus is attached (which is a significant infection vector), this simple fact and medical staff are using them.

But of course it is only partial protection and it won’t help if for exemple you touch an area which has some of the virus and then touch your eyes.

If I were to wear such a mask I would also cover my eyes with some googles, otherwise pretty useless imo.

Downlinz · 02-03-2020 11:19AM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Wearing a mask is a good way of signalling to the world that you are as thick as two short planks, and haven’t even been able to read and digest simple advice about the virus - wearing a face mask won’t protect you from catching it.

Yes it will and they're very effective. The "advice" is to prevent mass buying from the general public causing a shortage for medical staff.

Funsterdelux · 02-03-2020 11:19AM

Computer Science Student wrote: »

I think you are misinterpreting the law of averages haha.

What is to stop something coming along next year that is just as successful at spreading itself but with say a higher death rate.

The probability of something coming along next year is quite low, thats what I meant by it.

d51984 · 02-03-2020 11:20AM

No update folks, just day 1 of self isolation for me and my family. Boy was in school for 4 days before any action was taken. I see kids from my daughters class out and about on road which is madness.

joseywhales · 02-03-2020 11:20AM

all about the mane wrote: »

I would have to say I agree with them. I think it’s a good time to buy. Of course there’s a risk but I have leveraged and sized accordingly. Discussing over of share tips thread.

Well given that China is out of action probably for the year, despite the fact that I am sure they will force factory workers to work and they will continue to state support companies there and this will spread in Europe and north America with no immunity in sight, I would surmise that has not been priced in yet.

Graces7 · 02-03-2020 11:20AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Please note that not everyone that coughs, sneezes or sniffles has the virus. We’ve had weeks of bad weather, it’s normal that people will be a little sick but grand enough for work.

While this thing is serious, there is way too many getting hysterical. You don’t need 6 months of supplies.

A month is good.

Hector Savage · 02-03-2020 11:21AM

vladmydad wrote: »

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChinaInFocusNTD/status/1234205491070455808

Apparently China are cremating people who are still alive

Twaddle

seamus · 02-03-2020 11:21AM

Computer Science Student wrote: »

I've seen estimates of 40%-70% getting this virus worldwide. Could that be right? What a terrifyingly successful virus. Make you appreciate how fragile life is. What is to stop something coming along next year that is just as successful at spreading itself but with say a higher death rate.

Quite a lot, actually. The same reason why humans are more intelligent than the rest of the great apes, but also the weakest.

Viruses evolve like anything else, to find the best balance of traits that permits maximum propagation.

Viruses that kill people, have trouble spreading. Ebola is a good example. Terrifyingly violent, and infectious. But this causes the virus to burn itself out quickly - known as "self-limiting". The first reports when Ebola was discovered were of entire villages lying dead. Gone before they had the opportunity to spread it further.

The most successful viruses are the ones that can spread. But this requires as a matter of course that the virus doesn't bring on the kind of violent symptoms that would kill the host. Certainly not straight away.

Of course it's a battle against time for the virus. It generally doesn't have the all the time in the world because the host immune system is fighting to suppress it - causing symptoms.

Can there be a virus that infects someone, doesn't cause many symptoms, and spreads easily before eventually killing the host before the immune system gets it? Well yes. We have one already - HIV.

Could there ever be an airborne HIV with a shorter incubation period? In theory, but there are reasons why HIV evolved to spread through sexual contact, and why it can't currently be spread through coughing or sneezing. If HIV were to evolve to spread through coughing or sneezing, then it would likely lose its potency and incubation ability.

TL;DR: In theory something even more deadly could happen. In reality it won't.

Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! *read OP*

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Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! read OP