Coronavirus Part III - 9 cases across the Island - 503 errors abound!! *read OP*

Phoebas

I'm a bit worried that we might experience some unseasonal snowfalls this week.
The double whammy would be the end of us.

odyssey06

DancingSpaniel wrote: »

The mortality rate is up in the air as it stands. Over 50% of people who tested positive in Italy mild symptoms, so no doubt many people had it who were never tested. Most experts expect the measured mortality rate to reduce considerably.
Cancer and Heart disease kill close to 20,000 people per annum in Ireland. We've all lost loved ones to these illnesses, yet we don't panic or take drastic measures to avoid these illnesses ourselves. I'm not saying Covid-19 isn't of concern, but we should keep it in perspective.

They are not infectious diseases, people are not going to think about them in the same way.
And people do take measures to reduce their risk of both diseases.

While each individual case is a tragedy, the numbers per year are roughly constant from health capacity perspective - the higher concern here is that cases may spike, and a surge of patients with complications overwhelm the capacity of the health service to deal with it.

Loughc

Loughc wrote: »

Now kiss......

Bandit and cuppatae sitting in a tree

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BanditLuke

Cupatae wrote: »

I cant believe im going to reply to this, but yeah cities locked down...country shut... down masses in isolation, for most people would be a fairly apocalyptic esque

Did you really need me to answer that ?

Here have a childish

Regards Cupatae for good measure.

The WHO praised China for doing exactly that.

"Ah sure it'll be grand" wasn't praised by the leading world body on these kind of things. Tell me know this right, right?

Regards, Luke

Drumpot

SeaBreezes wrote: »

It's not spreading in Thailand.... but they have a HUGE increase in viral pneumonia at the moment. Odd, isn't it?

This is a problem, you click onto https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ and everything looks organized and easy to interpret/predict.

Behind these numbers are countries with different methods to record and treat the illness. There are also different countries using different methods to communicate with their populations. People are assuming the way we are getting our information from our authorities is the exact same across the world, its not, this is just the way they have chosen to deal with the crisis. Only time will tell if it was misguided or not.

The figures on that website are only people who have supposedly been officially tested. Do people think there is only 1 person in the whole of Russia with the virus ? What about African countries or India where you have less then steller health systems equipt to deal with their populations in normal everyday times.

This virus is not under control. We are not in control of how this plays out completely, we are only able to manage it better or worse. As Dr Bruce Aylward said "you cant be completely prepared for this virus", you just cant be fully ready for it.

https://www.businessinsider.com/what-works-to-fight-covid-19-lessons-from-china-who-2020-2?r=US&IR=T

"Hundreds of thousands of people in China did not get COVID-19 because of this aggressive response," Aylward said, adding that the techniques were "old-fashioned public-health tools" but applied "with a rigor and innovation of approach on a scale that we've never seen in history."

"In 30 years of doing this business, I've not seen this before, nor was I sure it would work," he said.

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"What was a rapidly escalating outbreak has plateaued and then come down faster than one would have expected," he said. "You know, if I had COVID-19, I'd want to be treated in China."

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China went old school in their approach and that was apparently (he did admit he cant go into every household in China to confirm every single thing) seriously slowed down the spread.

4068ac1elhodqr

Korbin Ashy Tube wrote: »

On the bright side. This must be great for the environment.

Can anyone account for that Greta wans location early December, did she have any gigs in the FarEast?


Some of the major airlines are down 15-20% of stock value.

cnocbui

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

There's a world of difference between contacting those who need to be contacted and broadcasting it on the news.

You are making the ludicrous suggestion that the mighty omniscient state can contact everyone who they need to. Someone serving at McDonald's tests positive or someone travels on a bus or by train to Northern Ireland - there is no way to trace those who should be advised in such circumstances.

all about the mane

BanditLuke wrote: »

The WHO praised China for doing exactly that.

Ah sure it'll be grand wasn't praised by the leading world body on these kind of things. Tell me know this right, right?

Regards, Luke

Previously you were bitching and moaning about the WHO....

drunkmonkey

odyssey06 wrote: »

Similar question, will employers be reimbursed if they do continue to pay employees...

Not unless it's state ordered, if Leo)HSE says we're shutting places for a few weeks businesses should be able to claim off their insurance. If employees decide to self isolate they don't have to be paid.

BanditLuke

Korbin Ashy Tube wrote: »

On the bright side. This must be great for the environment.

As a poster eloquently put a few weeks back, mother nature fights back.

4068ac1elhodqr

all about the mane wrote: »

Has the sky fallen yet?

No but it's certainly more blue that usual (esp in China).

BanditLuke

all about the mane wrote: »

Previously you were bitching and moaning about the WHO....

You agree that's what they said though right?

1641

Deleted User wrote: »

The economics of self isolation will play a very big part.

Sure there is an easy solution. Shut down all public events. Close the borders to isolate the island (for the months until all this "blows over"). Shut down our international trading sectors. Close public transport (especially dangerous). Let small traders go to the wall. Everyone stay home and self-isolate. The government pays everyone until it is safe to come out again.

Easy peasy - no probs!

Funsterdelux

Clementine Rough Keynote wrote: »

Can anyone account for that Greta wans location early December, did she have any gigs in the FarEast?


Some of the major airlines are down 15-20% of stock value.

The checkout lady in my Aldi today was named Greta, coronaspiracy

frash

No source other than whatsapp but I hear a gang of kids from scoil chaitriona were seen on the bus heading into town

BanditLuke

frash wrote: »

No source other than whatsapp but I hear a gang of kids from scoil chaitriona were seen on the bus heading into town

:pac:

rsl1976

my husbands job have cancelled all business travel and all interviews scheduled are to be cancelled or done via VC.
Anyone returning from business travel has been told to self isolate whether they have symptoms or not

Idioteque

Korbin Ashy Tube wrote: »

On the bright side. This must be great for the environment.

It's certainly noticeable according to NASA....

is_that_so

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Not unless it's state ordered, if Leo)HSE says we're shutting places for a few weeks businesses should be able to claim off their insurance. If employees decide to self isolate they don't have to be paid.

It's the DoH, not the HSE who decide, and Simon Harris will just sign off on it.

all about the mane

frash wrote: »

No source other than whatsapp but I hear a gang of kids from scoil chaitriona were seen on the bus heading into town

That’s all you need. Fact.

4068ac1elhodqr

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Not unless it's state ordered, if Leo)HSE says we're shutting places f...

Read that as: 'shouting paces'


Might be an idea, shout from a minimum distance to avoid standing too close to the afflicted.
Perhaps a portable whiteboard 'n marker too, when covered head to toe in facemasks and splash screens.

DOCARCH

frash wrote: »

No source other than whatsapp but I hear a gang of kids from scoil chaitriona were seen on the bus heading into town

Sure why wouldn't they!

If it was a school (or schools) on the southside, Dundrum TC would be jammed!

1641

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Not unless it's state ordered, if Leo)HSE says we're shutting places for a few weeks businesses should be able to claim off their insurance. If employees decide to self isolate they don't have to be paid.

What type of insurance covers that risk?

What would be the implication for premiums if there was big pay-out on this?

Assetbacked

Clementine Rough Keynote wrote: »

A good point indeed, perhaps state governments should look into travelling soup kitchens.


Take over all the library, ice-cream, milk floats and vans, load them up with hot soups in polystyrene cups wrapped in clingfilm, and leave them outside anyones gate/door that makes some agreed distress signal from their window at a set time every day.


Either that (with couple of slices of bread) or slap of lumpy porridge would be the very, very minimum for someone to survive on each day.

Speak for yourself; avocado toast (sourdough) and an oatmilk flat white would be the minimum to keep me going just for the morning.

What’s Cambodia’s stats for pneumonia at present. Their premier would be all about saving face after The Westerdam meet and greet.

Chinasea

frash wrote: »

No source other than whatsapp but I hear a gang of kids from scoil chaitriona were seen on the bus heading into town

A country of extremely wealthy lawyers and policy writers and rare enforcement of said or any laws.

adam88

So they’ve shut down the school where that boy was at but they’re having a public meeting of all the parents this evening to discuss it.

Am I missing something here ???

Drumpot

1641 wrote: »

Sure there is an easy solution. Shut down all public events. Close the borders to isolate the island (for the months until all this "blows over"). Shut down our international trading sectors. Close public transport (especially dangerous). Let small traders go to the wall. Everyone stay home and self-isolate. The government pays everyone until it is safe to come out again.

Easy peasy - no probs!

Easiest way is to start suggesting that all companies who can have staff working from home, start making plans for same. This will make the closing of schools more palatable and feasible (as more people at home means more people to take care of the kids).

Basically make it as easy as possible for people to not have to leave their home for non essential reasons. This in itself has a reduced impact on economy. How many administrator jobs can be done from home ? How many meetings can be done by Skype ? Whats the point in having all this new technology available to us now and not using it fully to help stop the spread of a virus ?

Then you start to reroute all resources possible essential to keep the country moving. Prioritze protection of workers in electricity, water and broadband. Consider proposals for extending delivery options for shops.

The less non essential people floating around means the virus can only spread slower. So any ideas that means business or work can keep going on but maybe in a more cautious manner is worth promoting.

Dial Hard

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

Are you in Dublin?

Yup. Office is in the city centre.

4068ac1elhodqr

Assetbacked wrote: »

Speak for yourself; avocado toast (sourdough) and an oatmilk flat white would be the minimum to keep me going just for the morning.

On the plus side in the olden days the UN used to just drop a single pallett for areas under duress, and everyone within 3km would scramble at it.


Now you could likely get the avacado and salmon onto your lap via a rooftop drone from the nearest M&S.