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Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

  • 19-10-2020 10:47pm
    #1
    Sephiroth_dude
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    Previous threads:

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    The daily numbers

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    Hence the Mean of 1, 2, 3, 3, 4, 7, 8 = (1+2+3+3+4+7+8)/7 = 4
    Median is the midpoint number. In the above example it’s the 4th number in the sequence of 7 numbers – in this case 3
    Both numbers are examples of “averages”. Not every average is the “Mean”, not every average is the “Median”, but every “Mean” and every “Median” number is an average

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  • #2
    Sephiroth_dude
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    #First


  • #3
    perrito caliente
    Closed Accounts Posts: 262 ✭✭perrito caliente


    The Flu strikes back.


  • #4
    Shanotheslayer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,191 ✭✭✭✭Shanotheslayer


    perrito caliente wrote: »
    The Flu strikes back.

    I was just responding to your other post. Where you called someone a drama queen.

    My missus is a healthcare worker and the fact we are back in level 5 has had a heavy effect after all the work they've done.

    So you can shove it up your hole if you think they're doing SFA


  • #5
    Divisadero
    Registered Users Posts: 311 ✭✭Divisadero


    perrito caliente wrote: »
    The Flu strikes back.

    You said it was basically the Flu. Donald I thought you usually used Twitter to spout your 'wisdom'.


  • #6
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,823 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    4th October: "Our plan is to learn to live with the virus. No need for level 5"

    2 weeks later: "Our plan is to go to level 5 and pray for a vaccine"

    Embarrassing


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  • #7
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,796 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    40.3 million worldwide cases

    1.1 million worldwide deaths , 1852 in Ireland.

    Yes , the flu evidently.


  • #8
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,194 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Let's save Christmas ! ..forget Halloween ;/


  • #9
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,490 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Does Penneys close tomorrow?
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #10
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,796 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    El Sueño wrote: »
    4th October: "Our plan is to learn to live with the virus. No need for level 5"

    2 weeks later: "Our plan is to go to level 5 and pray for a vaccine"

    Embarrassing

    Yep, the ‘living with the virus’ statement was just plain odd. There is only managing the behaviors of the virus and the citizens of the country.


  • #11
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,884 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Let's save Christmas ! ..forget Halloween ;/

    Hope so, We have already lost

    Paddys Day
    Easter
    Summer was an improvement but not the same
    Halloween

    Christmas is the worst one too lose


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  • #12
    Divisadero
    Registered Users Posts: 311 ✭✭Divisadero


    Shanotheslayer wrote: »
    I was just responding to your other post. Where you called someone a drama queen.

    My missus is a healthcare worker and the fact we are back in level 5 has had a heavy effect after all the work they've done.

    So you can shove it up your hole if you think they're doing SFA

    You're wasting your breath with some of the 'experts' on here but I understand your frustration. I and many others are fully aware of what your wife has to deal with. Or at least have a good idea. My only regret with today's announcement is that there were any exceptions (eg. GAA, Construction) and that the schools are still open. I want lockdown to have the best chance to succeed to protect the elderly, vulnerable and hospital capacity. And of course our Healthcare workers. I posted before that if I was a Healthcare worker I would be livid at the attitude of an increasing percentage of our population and the lack of enforcement of flagrant breaches. Some of these people will no doubt be the first to complain if they are unfortunate enough to get ill and can't be seen promptly.

    Give my best to your wife and to her colleagues. I and many others greatly respect what they do and what they have to endure both physically and mentally.


  • #13
    Real Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,708 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    The next six weeks are crucial :rolleyes:


  • #14
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,934 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    It'll be great to see case numbers dropping rapidly.


  • #15
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,311 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm still trying to wrap my head around the logic of our government, or rather the madness unfolding. You limit funeral attendees to ten but allow hundreds of people mill around the school gates. Pubs, restaurants and hairdressers are gone to the wall yet thirty lads can jump all over each on the GAA pitch. Forgive me for thinking the "Level 5" restrictions are flawed to the point of being cracked. And inside these cracks Covid can still thrive, improvement if any in the coming weeks will be minimal to the point of redundancy. It's going to be a long winter under such clueless leadership.


  • #16
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,588 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    I'm after coming from the restrictions thread, and while I know it's filled with cranks, one can't help but feel saddened. If the attitudes in that thread are in any way prevalent, we haven't a hope.


  • #17
    Sephiroth_dude
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    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Does Penneys close tomorrow?

    Wednesday evening I think


  • #18
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,669 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Sephiroth_dude wrote: »
    Wednesday evening I think

    Still time to get ur knickers


  • #19
    TheDenialTwist
    Registered Users Posts: 681 ✭✭✭TheDenialTwist


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Does Penneys close tomorrow?

    I presume it will close on Wednesday Liz seeing as Level 5 comes into effect on midnight Wednesday.

    However, when you asked the question (Tue), Wednesday is tomorrow :D


  • #20
    440Hertz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 651 ✭✭✭440Hertz


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    I'm after cynic from the restrictions thread, and while I know it's filled with cranks, one can't help but feel saddened. If the attitudes in that thread are in any way prevalent, we haven't a hope.

    Yeah. I’m not sure how prevalent they are to be quite honest, but I suspect a lot less than they seem in an online thread, and that’s based on recent opinion polling. Online bubbles can be very misleading.


  • #21
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,588 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I'm still trying to wrap my head around the logic of our government, or rather the madness unfolding. You limit funeral attendees to ten but allow hundreds of people mill around the school gates. Pubs, restaurants and hairdressers are gone to the wall yet thirty lads can jump all over each on the GAA pitch. Forgive me for thinking the "Level 5" restrictions are flawed to the point of being cracked. And inside these cracks Covid can still thrive, improvement if any in the coming weeks will be minimal to the point of redundancy. It's going to be a long winter under such clueless leadership.

    This has been explained hundreds of times to you so I can only determine that you are either thick or ignoring the explanation because it's inconvenient.

    The purpose of the restrictions is to limit social interaction. The government has deemed some interaction as more essential than others, for example children getting an education over getting a haircut.

    The idea is to reduce the total number of interactions.


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  • #22
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,588 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    440Hertz wrote: »
    Yeah. I’m not sure how prevalent they are to be quite honest, but I suspect a lot less than they seem in an online thread, and that’s based on recent opinion polling. Online bubbles can be very misleading.

    I hope so. If the public health measures remain undermined then life will remain on pause for much longer.

    I don't think I'll ever be able to forgive those that have acted so selfishly to prolong this. Like that bollocks and his mates that caused a 56 case outbreak...


  • #23
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,194 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    I'm after cynic from the restrictions thread, and while I know it's filled with cranks, one can't help but feel saddened. If the attitudes in that thread are in any way prevalent, we haven't a hope.

    I think / hope the majority are not like that , just there .
    Lock em up and throw away the key ..boards ;)


  • #24
    [Deleted User]
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    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    This has been explained hundreds of times to you so I can only determine that you are either thick or ignoring the explanation because it's inconvenient.

    The purpose of the restrictions is to limit social interaction.

    You landed on your backside trying counter my primary points. Read my post again and have another go, even if numeracy is a weakness of yours.


  • #25
    TheDenialTwist
    Registered Users Posts: 681 ✭✭✭TheDenialTwist


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    I think / hope the majority are not like that , just there .
    Lock em up and throw away the key ..boards ;)

    Very good Golden :D

    I needed a laugh, thank you.


  • #26
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
    Great to hear 'strategy' in the speech. Not so great to hear "Some people want herd immunity, some people want zero covid. We are doing neither" Looks like we are going for the halfway house, try to please everybody and please nobody. Self inflicted death by a thousand cuts.

    Zerocovid is a stupid name. I really don't know how this is going to work without effective quarantine. Sure airline figures are down but 10% of passengers and flights is still an awful lot of people who we are trusting to do the right thing. Given the numerous examples from public health where this hasn't been the case I wouldn't hold my breath. There'll be alot of people on the herd immunity side who won't consent to their liberty being curtailed. Equally there'll be those on the other side who see the folly of a 6 week Hail Mary followed by a few weeks and another lock down. Why should we severely restrict life so that it can just blow back up again.

    What'll happen with the annual pilgrimage to remember why you left this country. (Christmas returnees) That'll still go ahead and will torpedo any affect of this lockdown. Therefore the only logical conclusion is it won't work. I hold nothing against those who do this or intend to do this. Merely pointing out the inconsistency.

    MM laughing and joking saying we really need a vaccine next year was galling. There is really no guarantee that it'll be effective enough to have an impact. Obviously live in hope but the leader of a country does not place all his eggs in one basket.

    The only countries that have done well in this are those that have implemented effect quarantine. This goes for every infectious disease that overwhelms a country ever. Trying to do mental gymnastics around this point is proving to be hugely costly. While level 5 looks like it's needed, what then?
    The concept of quarantine has been known since biblical times and is known to have been practised through history in various places. Notable quarantines in modern history include that of the village of Eyam in 1665 during the bubonic plague outbreak in England; East Samoa during the 1918 flu pandemic; the Diphtheria outbreak during the 1925 serum run to Nome, the 1972 Yugoslav smallpox outbreak, and extensive quarantines applied throughout the world during the COVID-19 pandemic in 2020.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarantine



  • #27
    99nsr125
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭99nsr125


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    I hope so. If the public health measures remain undermined then life will remain on pause for much longer.

    I don't think I'll ever be able to forgive those that have acted so selfishly to prolong this. Like that bollocks and his mates that caused a 56 case outbreak...

    But did you notice thet didn't say any of those people were admitted to hospital or icu.

    You can bet your bollocks if they were we'd know all about it,


  • #28
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,490 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Still time to get ur knickers

    Commando is best ;)
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #29
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    eagle eye wrote: »
    It'll be great to see case numbers dropping rapidly.
    Construction ALL construction deemed essential ..schools open ..ALL schools even secondary. GAA Open..local football open ..horse racing open. Hardware stores and garden centers so we can have our salads ready to go ..open.

    Not a chance.


  • #30
    TheDenialTwist
    Registered Users Posts: 681 ✭✭✭TheDenialTwist


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Commando is best ;)

    I concur, knickers are overrated.

    However, having said that, I'll be sending someone up to Wilton tomorrow to pick me up some woolly socks and comfy pjs for the next 6 weeks.

    I'd go myself but I've been ill for last seven months with a respiratory illness, so I'm "cocooning", unfortunately :(


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  • #31
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,632 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    I think / hope the majority are not like that , just there .
    Lock em up and throw away the key ..boards ;)

    That thread is an embarrassment.

    It's a bad reflection on boards that all that complete nonsense is allowed to flow freely there.


  • #32
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,934 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    ILoveYourVibes wrote:
    Construction ALL construction deemed essential ..schools open ..ALL schools even secondary. GAA Open..local football open ..horse racing open. Hardware stores and garden centers so we can have our salads ready to go ..open.
    Schools will be closed, teachers won't have it.
    GAA is insane,bone case will end it with the uproar there'll be.


  • #33
    Tefral
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    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    Construction ALL construction deemed essential ..schools open ..ALL schools even secondary. GAA Open..local football open ..horse racing open. Hardware stores and garden centers so we can have our salads ready to go ..open.

    Not a chance.

    Do you work in Construction? If you did you'd know they are so paranoid of closing sites that they have dedicated covid compliance officers on every crew. I have had to do risk assessments for every menial task for my site staff. Theres very low chance for transmission on sites. They have even staggered breaks!


  • #34
    46 Long
    Closed Accounts Posts: 355 ✭✭46 Long


    Real Donald Trump wrote: »
    The next six weeks are crucial :rolleyes:

    They might as well replace Tony H with an African grey parrot at this stage. Same auld shíte day in, day out. A vague, tired old slogan to kick the can down the road a few weeks and shift the blame onto the public as much as possible.


  • #35
    Russman
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    Tefral wrote: »
    Do you work in Construction? If you did you'd know they are so paranoid of closing sites that they have dedicated covid compliance officers on every crew. I have had to do risk assessments for every menial task for my site staff. Theres very low chance for transmission on sites. They have even staggered breaks!

    Is there an issue though with workers arriving to sites, travelling 3 or 4 in a car/van ? I’m just wondering if it’s a bit like the GAA, where the matches are generally safe, it’s the milling round before and after is the issue ?


  • #36
    Russman
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    46 Long wrote: »
    They might as well replace Tony H with an African grey parrot at this stage. Same auld shíte day in, day out. A vague, tired old slogan to kick the can down the road a few weeks and shift the blame onto the public as much as possible.

    That’s because that tired old slogan is the only thing that works.


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  • #37
    Wanderer78
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    46 Long wrote:
    They might as well replace Tony H with an African grey parrot at this stage. Same auld shíte day in, day out. A vague, tired old slogan to kick the can down the road a few weeks and shift the blame onto the public as much as possible.


    What would you like them to do?


  • #38
    Vicxas
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    Does anyone know if the likes of physios are allowed stay open. Not sure if they're classed as essential


  • #39
    Wanderer78
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    Vicxas wrote:
    Does anyone know if the likes of physios are allowed stay open. Not sure if they're classed as essential

    I've been wondering how they can operate at all during this


  • #40
    Hubertj
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,000 ✭✭✭Hubertj


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    I've been wondering how they can operate at all during this

    Very easily. It’s an essential service. Common sense really.


  • #41
    nthclare
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭nthclare


    Didn't sleep well last night after the latest news. I've done everything possible to sanatize, social distancing and am living alone.
    My Parents are elderly, siblings away and my best friend has MS.

    Sons living in another household.

    My long term girlfriend had a breakdown and she couldn't cope with the whole covid thing, she has generalised anxiety disorder and she was doing well, but all the contradictions have really ****ed with her ability to make sense of all this bull**** of, you can, you can't, maybe, no but you should.. You can if it's work, can't if it's a gathering, it's shocking how all these contradictions effects people with metal disorders.
    Anyhow she dumped me, she couldn't cope with this covid mess of contradictive rules.

    I'm not annoyed it's over because we were drifting anyhow.

    I'm annoyed with how the powers that be have worded all the restrictions, it's really ****ing with people's heads.

    I can understand its very simple, social distance, sanatize and don't gather in big groups of people.

    That's it... For men and women of a nervous disposition it's not that ****ing easy...

    Anyhow I'm being kept in my job because I'm in the forestry/agricultural/horticural area in the public sector.

    In a lonely parkland more than 5k from the nearest town or village.. Nearest house is around 4k away

    It's going to be myself the odd deer, fox and leaves blowing around, its going to be a long 6 weeks, because the seasonal contract workers finished up 2 weeks ago...

    Living on my own..I feel like laughing or crying...

    We're all in this together, work together stay apart...


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  • #42
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,901 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Hubertj wrote:
    Very easily. It’s an essential service. Common sense really.

    Debatable, for some it would be, but for others, probably not, I'd love a rub down myself, but I haven't checked in with my physio throughout this


  • #43
    Hubertj
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,000 ✭✭✭Hubertj


    Just listened to Anthony Staines on Newstalk. Mad stuff altogether. Not sure what to make of him after that. I don’t think 0 Covid is possible here but his comments seemed intended to upset people at an already stressful time.


  • #44
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,901 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    nthclare wrote:
    Living on my own..I feel like laughing or crying...

    Look after yourself please, your friends on boards are still here


  • #45
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,901 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Hubertj wrote:
    Just listened to Anthony Staines on Newstalk. Mad stuff altogether. Not sure what to make of him after that. I don’t think 0 Covid is possible here but his comments seemed intended to upset people at an already stressful time.

    What did he say?


  • #46
    Hubertj
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,000 ✭✭✭Hubertj


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    Debatable, for some it would be, but for others, probably not, I'd love a rub down myself, but I haven't checked in with my physio throughout this

    It’s not debatable that physiotherapy is an essential service. People who don’t know what they are taking about might think it’s not an essential service.


  • #47
    zerosugarbuzz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭zerosugarbuzz


    Hubertj wrote: »
    Just listened to Anthony Staines on Newstalk. Mad stuff altogether. Not sure what to make of him after that. I don’t think 0 Covid is possible here but his comments seemed intended to upset people at an already stressful time.

    What roughly did he say?


  • #48
    Hubertj
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,000 ✭✭✭Hubertj


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    What did he say?

    He was going on about 0 Covid again and suggesting the whole of Europe does it. Then he contradicted NPHET modelling by saying we would still have 300-400 cases a day by early December. He also suggested that MM said last night it will be level 3 after that until there is a vaccine. Another lockdown in February. I presume it is because he wants his 0 Covid tripe.
    It should be debated with other public health experts, not just a 1 sided radio interview.


  • #49
    Wanderer78
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    Hubertj wrote:
    It’s not debatable that physiotherapy is an essential service. People who don’t know what they are taking about might think it’s not an essential service.

    It would be essential to some, but not all, my own physio is just an average joe, dealing with average joe injuries, nothing too serious I'd imagine, I'd imagine most serious injuries would be dealt with via the HSE, and I'd like to think those physio services are still operational, as they would certainly be critical


  • #50
    nthclare
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭nthclare


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    Look after yourself please, your friends on boards are still here

    Thanks for the heads up, I'll be ok I just needed to get all that off my chest.

    I know sometimes I can make off the cuff comments on certain subjects on boards, it's more of an observation rather than an opinion lol

    I'm going to embrace the woods this day, you never know a sasquatch may join me in the shed for a cuppa tea before it gets dark lol.
    Or the local Puca, it gets creepy at night but I like all that intriguing folklore etc

    I might even stay over some night as I have all the facilities, bar a bed but I could put something together...

    Enjoy it I might as well...


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    Wanderer78
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    Hubertj wrote:
    He was going on about 0 Covid again and suggesting the whole of Europe does it. Then he contradicted NPHET modelling by saying we would still have 300-400 cases a day by early December. He also suggested that MM said last night it will be level 3 after that until there is a vaccine. Another lockdown in February. I presume it is because he wants his 0 Covid tripe. It should be debated with other public health experts, not just a 1 sided radio interview.

    Completely agree here, this is such a highly dynamic situation, such plans cannot be made, the government is doing the best it can, but mistakes will be made


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