Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

forumdedum

s1ippy wrote: »

Ciara comes off as somebody completely detached from reality. She takes the minority, shocker opinion and runs with it against any constructive criticism and everyone backs down because they're like "well I guess you're a doctor". It's nearly like a very tired comedy segment at this stage.

Yes she goes for the minority shocker opinion every time. Highly irresponsible behaviour in these times.

My own former doctor is an absolute asshole. I'm sure he was fine at his job but truly an asshole.

manniot2

Every point Ciara Kelly made this morning was correct, and im no fan. Can you please highlight what she said that was incorrect?

forumdedum

manniot2 wrote: »

Every point Ciara Kelly made this morning was correct, and im no fan. Can you please highlight what she said that was incorrect?

I didn't hear all she said.

Incorrect? Not necessarily but to say she hasn't time to present her own practical constructive solution is pathetic. We can all talk.

GazzaL

Speaking to lots of "non-essential" businesspeople this morning, most will continue to remain open. Good on them. Zero cases amongst them, why should they shut their doors when schools, off licences and the GAA carry on?

CalamariFritti

Strumms wrote: »

40.3 million worldwide cases

1.1 million worldwide deaths , 1852 in Ireland.

Yes , the flu evidently.

1.1 million deaths worldwide. About 800 million infected as estimated by the WHO. About 3 times as bad as the flu. So no, not the flu, but not exactly off by orders of magnitude either.

quartz1

I past a GAA pitch last Saturday around midday . On the field there were mayby 6 or 8 large pods of kids on the playing pitch. However each kid seemed to have a parent and they were all huddled in groups or sitting in cars chatting and have mini socials....very little distancing and not a lot.of masks.

We need the lockdown but its serious for SMEs and self.employed .....if we don't get this right in a few weeks time nothing will have been accomplished

BringBackMick

Lots of non-essential retail can find a way to stay open, especially due to the click-and-collect clause in the text of essential retail

any other retail outlet that operates an online or other remote system of ordering goods for purposes of collection at the retail outlet

Sweet.Science

GazzaL wrote: »

Speaking to lots of "non-essential" businesspeople this morning, most will continue to remain open. Good on them. Zero cases amongst them, why should they shut their doors when schools, off licences and the GAA carry on?

Gives around a million people a form of escapism at the weekends . Is it just GAA or all sports ?

xabi

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

I hate that expression.
Just irritates me so much. Overused as you say but I think it's gotten used so much people don't even know the meaning of it..as every week "the next two weeks are crucial"

I think it's something people regurgitate to make them sound more clever or something.

I think its used tongue in cheek these days

owlbethere

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

People seem to be furious this morning. I think 2 or 3 days ago people were expecting 4 (or 4.5) at most. I met a few people in the local village this morning and overreaction is the prevalent opinion.

And rightly so. There was no reason in the world to ban outdoor dining as an example. There's no evidence that spread is occurring in non essential retail and services. I don't believe that this will target the areas where spread is occurring.

JustAThought

Wanderer78 wrote: »

It would be essential to some, but not all, my own physio is just an average joe, dealing with average joe injuries, nothing too serious I'd imagine, I'd imagine most serious injuries would be dealt with via the HSE, and I'd like to think those physio services are still operational, as they would certainly be critical

HSE physio are cancelled - unless you’ve come in off a car wreck. Having said that I’m not sure if it was an option that I’d want to go into an environment where there are two thousand workers milling about and one in four have covid diagnosis. Wouldn’t mind my body parts to be fixed thou - not all illnesses or injuries can be treated or assessed virtually or can be fixed within a few months treatment. I guess A covid diagnosis is the worst of the two evils.

It boils my blood to see so many kids milling around shops and supermarkets - no masks, no parental supervision, not a care in the workd and then all sharing chrisps and bottles of coke outside - its a total joke. Where are their parents? There should be spot fines and covid inspectors with proper powers like they have on the continent.

Doctors room ghost

When the gaa hadn’t the foresight or the manners to cancel the championship the government should have done it for them yesterday.
But I’d imagine a lot of paddywhackery and back patting went on in the background and it got left alone.they should be ashamed of themselves.

statto25

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Gives around a million people a form of escapism at the weekends . Is it just GAA or all sports ?

According to many on here its just GAA members that can spread Covid-19. Soccer and Rugby etc seem to be immune

forumdedum

Boils down to who can make sacrifices in this often me me me world.

I want to protect others and I want to see people who dedicated so much of their time to their businesses survive this.

Some people just don't care. They don't see the long term effects.

BringBackMick

Basically a retail outlet that has a website can stay open if they want

quartz1

quartz1 wrote: »

I past a GAA pitch last Saturday around midday . On the field there were mayby 6 or 8 large pods of kids on the playing pitch. However each kid seemed to have a parent and they were all huddled in groups or sitting in cars chatting and have mini socials....very little distancing and not a lot.of masks.

We need the lockdown but its serious for SMEs and self.employed .....if we don't get this right in a few weeks time nothing will have been accomplished

I agree. The issue isn’t so much with the kids, it with the crowds of parents that are accompanying them. I never wanted a lockdown and don’t particularly support the measures, but if we are going to do it, we need to do it properly and not this half-assed lockdown that we are facing into now. Everyone at home....no school, no sport, out only to exercise etc. Or it will have been a grand old waste of time

gmisk

statto25 wrote: »

According to many on here its just GAA members that can spread Covid-19. Soccer and Rugby etc seem to be immune

I didn't see huge celebrations, marches etc linked to many football or rugby matches the past few weeks though did you?
I did see plenty of GAA ones...which were also linked to serious outbreaks.

AlphaDelta1

GazzaL wrote: »

Speaking to lots of "non-essential" businesspeople this morning, most will continue to remain open. Good on them. Zero cases amongst them, why should they shut their doors when schools, off licences and the GAA carry on?

Of course you where Walter.

podgeandrodge

It does seem strange though, if I have this correct, that they allow various sports, and allow school kids to play sports and attend school, that technically I cannot visit my 80yr old mother or even stand in her garden.

KennisWhale

forumdedum wrote: »

Boils down to who can make sacrifices in this often me me me world.

I want to protect others and I want to see people who dedicated so much of their time to their businesses survive this.

Some people just don't care. They don't see the long term effects.

"I want", "I want". Pretty selfish and self-righteous. This is exactly the smug, ignorance that doomers portray which has put us in this lockdown fiasco. Hype merchants.

PmMeUrDogs

Exactly 22 hours from covid test to result. I'm impressed by that, not gonna lie. Negative of course.

quartz1

statto25 wrote: »

According to many on here its just GAA members that can spread Covid-19. Soccer and Rugby etc seem to be immune

Gaa County Finals ...junior B to Senior.....Pubs and Clubhouses taking the absolute pi** all summer .

They gave a hand last March but when summer came the decided Restrictions didn't apply to them ...

forumdedum

KennisWhale wrote: »

"I want", "I want". Pretty selfish and self-righteous. This is exactly the smug, ignorance that doomers portray which has put us in this lockdown fiasco. Hype merchants.

I have put you in lockdown?

babyboom

I don't get why people can't see the logic in shutting non essential retail. My daughter works in a shopping centre. It has been packed for at least the last month or more. People out for a day browsing, bringing their kids and letting them run amok in shops. She works in a book shop and she's had customers come in, browse with no intention of buying and then leave their empty coffee cups on top of the books. If she confronts them she gets abuse. There are far too many people who have just returned to normal. I find it very strange that we are in this (hopefully) once in a lifetime pandemic but people are determined to behave as if life is normal.

caveat emptor

So schools were able to open because there was no wide spread community transmission.
Level 5 is needed because of widespread community transmission.

I really cannot see how they'll remain open as the critical mass of virus builds.

https://twitter.com/MartinaBroe1/status/1318428754788683777?s=20

copeyhagen

can we protest to get a hosepipe ban added to the restricitons, we need this to be taken seriously....

AlphaDelta1

I'm seeing very little in these measures that will make any sort of difference tbh. It's the absolute lightest of L5's possible. People thinking we are going to see numbers down to any sort of level that will enable Xmas to go ahead and resemble any sort of normality are living in the clouds.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://twitter.com/KevDoyle_Indo/status/1318306000269680643

Gael23

forumdedum wrote: »

Boils down to who can make sacrifices in this often me me me world.

I want to protect others and I want to see people who dedicated so much of their time to their businesses survive this.

Some people just don't care. They don't see the long term effects.

Step too far this time.

We done it before and look where we are now

mountgomery burns

That 56 case outbreak from the lad returning from abroad that didn't self isolate highlights the weakness at the borders and the ineffectiveness of the request (which is all it is) for 2 weeks restricted movements.

I'd also be very wary of the timing of Fine Gaels video regarding the measure being confusing given the details of the 56 became available the following morning.

And worst still, looks like nothing will be done about. Eamon Ryan saying he had a phone call with his counterparts in the UK and Germany. I mean this is the man's remit, and now on the 20th of October he is having a phone call with them. No details beyond that. Pathetic

forumdedum

Gael23 wrote: »

Step too far this time.

We done it before and look where we are now

We can't predict the virus completely yet.

A percentage of people are making this worse for everyone. Obviously these people know far more than medical experts.

Funsterdelux

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

https://twitter.com/KevDoyle_Indo/status/1318306000269680643

Oh jeez

Leo must of been on his phone during that lesson

Sweet.Science

mountgomery burns wrote: »

That 56 case outbreak from the lad returning from abroad that didn't self isolate highlights the weakness at the borders and the ineffectiveness of the request (which is all it is) for 2 weeks restricted movements.

I'd also be very wary of the timing of Fine Gaels video regarding the measure being confusing given the details of the 56 became available the following morning.

And worst still, looks like nothing will be done about. Eamon Ryan saying he had a phone call with his counterparts in the UK and Germany. I mean this is the man's remit, and now on the 20th of October he is having a phone call with them. No details beyond that. Pathetic

Bet that guy returning played Hurling

Benimar

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Oh jeez

Leo must of been on his phone during that lesson

As somebody who can't stand Leo, I have to say he's correct here!

The day starts at 0:00 and ends at 23:29

CIARAN_BOYLE

statto25 wrote: »

According to many on here its just GAA members that can spread Covid-19. Soccer and Rugby etc seem to be immune

Rugby players don't have other jobs so their number of close contacts is a fraction of a gaa player.

Gaa player works as a garda. He has 20 close contacts between fellow garda and members of the public he encounters exercising his duties. He meets and trains with county panel. A group of 30. They all work. Some are wfh and some have word place contacts. On sunday he plays against another county.

Theres just too many contacts there.

A rugby play with should be bubbled with the rugby team and his household contacts.

AlphaDelta1

Gael23 wrote: »

Step too far this time.

We done it before and look where we are now

It's a step short tbh.

These measures aren't focused enough.

Cluedo Monopoly

Benimar wrote: »

As somebody who can't stand Leo, I have to say he's correct here!

The day starts at 0:00 and ends at 23:29

Ends at 23:59:59

forumdedum

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Rugby players don't have other jobs so their number of close contacts is a fraction of a gaa player.

Gaa player works as a garda. He has 20 close contacts between fellow garda and members of the public he encounters exercising his duties. He meets and trains with county panel. A group of 30. They all work. Some are wfh and some have word place contacts. On sunday he plays against another county.

Theres just too many contacts there.

A rugby play with should be bubbled with the rugby team and his household contacts.

Allowing GAA to continue is brainless.

Doctors room ghost

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

When the gaa hadn’t the foresight or the manners to cancel the championship the government should have done it for them yesterday.
But I’d imagine a lot of paddywhackery and back patting went on in the background and it got left alone.they should be ashamed of themselves.

What about Rugby, Horse Racing, LOI etc?

niallo27

AlphaDelta1 wrote: »

I'm seeing very little in these measures that will make any sort of difference tbh. It's the absolute lightest of L5's possible. People thinking we are going to see numbers down to any sort of level that will enable Xmas to go ahead and resemble any sort of normality are living in the clouds.

Its the harshest lockdown in the world right now, what the **** are you on about.

political analyst

Given that the aftermath of this pandemic will be the economic equivalent of Armageddon, making the 2008 crisis look like a minor road-traffic collision, there might be severe cutbacks to the health service.

Will the government still be as concerned with the lives of vulnerable people then? What will happen if a pandemic of a different virus takes place at that point - how will a health service subjected to cutbacks cope then?

Funsterdelux

Benimar wrote: »

As somebody who can't stand Leo, I have to say he's correct here!

The day starts at 0:00 and ends at 23:29

Hes right but wrong

Pedantic

Ireland is moving to Level 5
Ireland is moving to Level 5 at midnight on Wednesday night.

Roger_007

owlbethere wrote: »

And rightly so. There was no reason in the world to ban outdoor dining as an example. There's no evidence that spread is occurring in non essential retail and services. I don't believe that this will target the areas where spread is occurring.

What we are coming to realise is that all these restrictions are not based on any science or serious research, they are based on the need by governments to be seen to be doing something/anything.
All the ‘evidence’ we hear about is purely anecdotal. Test and trace is totally useless in trying to contain the virus. At best it is trying to close the stable door when the horse is long gone and at worst not even knowing which stable the horse escaped from.
What we are doing now is a modern equivalent of blood-letting which was used to treat virtually any disease. If it didn’t work the patient was subjected to even more blood-letting. If they didn’t die from the disease itself they often died from anemia.
I would call what we are doing now social blood-letting. Social interaction is the lifeblood of human existence and we are putting ourselves in danger of destroying the social fabric that enables society to function.

Doctor Jimbob

caveat emptor wrote: »

So schools were able to open because there was no wide spread community transmission.
Level 5 is needed because of widespread community transmission.

I really cannot see how they'll remain open as the critical mass of virus builds.

Schools were able to remain open because the Government said they were going to keep them open.

There's no point trying to apply logic to it.

statto25

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Rugby players don't have other jobs so their number of close contacts is a fraction of a gaa player.

Gaa player works as a garda. He has 20 close contacts between fellow garda and members of the public he encounters exercising his duties. He meets and trains with county panel. A group of 30. They all work. Some are wfh and some have word place contacts. On sunday he plays against another county.

Theres just too many contacts there.

A rugby play with should be bubbled with the rugby team and his household contacts.

The poster was referring to a comment made about underage teams and the behavior of waiting parents, not intercounty vs professional

gmisk

Benimar wrote: »

As somebody who can't stand Leo, I have to say he's correct here!

The day starts at 0:00 and ends at 23:29

Huh?! Why would the day end at 23.29?

mollser

If they bring in fines for venturing beyond the 5km limit, but don't give gardai powers to properly crack down on house parties, then this is again targeting the wrong sorts, the easy targets if you like. And given that GAA celebrations seem to be the main driver of this nationwide, then allowing them a pass is remarkeable.

Why can't they just deal with the nub of the issue rather than collapse the retail sector? It's mind boggling.

gizmo23

gmisk wrote: »

I didn't see huge celebrations, marches etc linked to many football or rugby matches the past few weeks though did you?
I did see plenty of GAA ones...which were also linked to serious outbreaks.

Are we ignoring the fact it was outside gaa ground these happened .... and when it happened inside ... what did the gaa do ?? CANCELLED ALL CLUB GAMES with immediate effect.

Are we ignoring it's actually NPHET ( the public health experts who are beyond reproach) have said its grand lads continue the gaa.

The people who took the piss "celebrating" a county title or whatever bs they did.. would have found a way be it pubs house parties or drinking in a park.

Doctors room ghost

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What about Rugby, Horse Racing, LOI etc?

It should have all been stopped.if we have to stay home and obey another lockdown so should they.
It should be across the board or as the paddywhackers say “we are all in this together”.
Yesterday was a farce.

Funsterdelux

There shouldnt be too many celebrations as long as Kerry dont win the hurling All Ireland and Kilkenny dont win the football All Ireland.