Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

Wanderer78

elbyrneo wrote: »

Is children playing football on the green with children from their estate not allowed, frowned upon or fine under level 5

We restricted during the previous full lockdown but with schools open and clubs still training, I dont see the point stopping them this time round.

theres now a market for zorb football, knew this would eventually happen!

Boggles

So what did they actually close?

Clothes Shops.

Personal Grooming

Gyms.

Everything else remains open.

I can understand the possibility of spread in gyms, but where is the data or the reasoning for the other 2?

Mantis Toboggan

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I just cant get my head around that GAA matches and training can go ahead but only 25 at a funeral . A lovely lady I knew is being buried today and her grandchildren cannot even be there . The funeral is in a massive church .,

We need the championship to get us through the 6 weeks. With everything else closed it's going to be an absolute bore.

prunudo

lawrencesummers wrote: »

This administration is going to look like a complete bunch of fools when cases don’t drop fast and they have to come to the realisation that schools are the issue.


It’s funny that there is an ad running on the radio currently from the HsE for providing the flu vaccines to kids from 2-12 years old because they are known to be spreaders of the flu. Apparently that isn’t the case for Covid though!


Give it a fortnight and house parties will be rocking, and the Gardai can’t do anything about it.

No and it looks like if i go for a solo cycle 6km from my house I could be fined. The amount of contradictions and anomalies in the latest plan is a real head scratcher.

nthclare

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I just cant get my head around that GAA matches and training can go ahead but only 25 at a funeral . A lovely lady I knew is being buried today and her grandchildren cannot even be there . The funeral is in a massive church .,

That's absolutely horrific for someone to endure.
The GAA out on the piss in Clare recently, passing cups and roman holiday saturnalia of manly togetherness in villages up and down the country.
Drinking hugging and slobbering all over each other like neanderthals and covid supposedly spread like bad news and these goons are allowed to be in togetherness, do the same thing over and over again...

But yet your friend passes away and her grandchildren cannot say goodbye.

Does the powers that be realise the effect this will have on those kids.

When I was 5, 40 years ago I couldn't go to my grandfather's funeral because my dad was drinking heavily and himself and mum left us with my mums sister and they headed off to Ballybunion without us.
I was devastated, my grandad idolised his first grandchild me, and I was very attached to him.

Every few years my dad opens up and says he still regrets leaving me with my aunt, and has apologised a lot about it.

He's 38 years sober now, I forgive him and we have a great relationship.

My heart goes out to grandchildren all over the country, even though they're young.
It's like having the carpet pulled away from them.

I'm very pensive today... I suppose I coped really well up until now and I just cracked a bit last night.

Reminds me of Leonard Cohen, something about cracks leaving in the light.

statto25

Whatever about schools, colleges in my view are the issue. Tens of thousands of students descend on cities and major towns from numerous counties, study and party together and then go back to their home counties at the weekends. They are back now 6 weeks plus and since then cases have climbed week on week

forumdedum

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I just cant get my head around that GAA matches and training can go ahead but only 25 at a funeral . A lovely lady I knew is being buried today and her grandchildren cannot even be there . The funeral is in a massive church .,

That's terrible. There have been 50 people at most funerals.

GAA is a shocking decision

Wanderer78

statto25 wrote: »

Whatever about schools, colleges in my view are the issue. Tens of thousands of students descend on cities and major towns from numerous counties, study and party together and then go back to their home counties at the weekends. They are back now 6 weeks plus and since then cases have climbed week on week

most third level activities are probably gone online

Gruffalux

Boggles wrote: »

So what did they actually close?

Clothes Shops.

Personal Grooming

Gyms.

Everything else remains open.

I can understand the possibility of spread in gyms, but where is the data or the reasoning for the other 2?

Yeah, in all seriousness between construction workers and manufacturing alone there are about 400,000 more people on the roads than in March lockdown. Not to mention schools. It is not a lockdown as such. Just a weird mental squeeze. Would be better to do it properly and have something to show for it in a month. But anyways, what do I care for this half-arsed gobshytery, there is shag all I can do about it until I am Empress of the Entire World.

forumdedum

s1ippy wrote: »

Well she still has a doctorate.

But it's probably done as a joke because she's so thick it's hard to imagine her being able to muster the intellect to go to all that effort and become a doctor.

Although, I have to say, she's a lot more of an idiot since having covid.

Having a doctorate doesn't mean that much sometimes. I know someone who is very intelligent and is yet a complete nut job with no sense of logic.

She is thick.

statto25

Wanderer78 wrote: »

most third level activities are probably gone online

They have now but there are still a large amount of students attending colleges for labs etc. Freshers week going ahead was absolutely nuts.

growleaves

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s1ippy

forumdedum wrote: »

Having a doctorate doesn't mean that much sometimes. I know someone who is very intelligent and is yet a complete nut job with no sense of logic.

She is thick.

I meant a doctorate of medicine, which is harder to achieve than others. But yes actually even achieving that usually indicates shortcomings in other areas.

Boggles wrote: »

So what did they actually close?

Clothes Shops.

Personal Grooming

Gyms.

Everything else remains open.

I can understand the possibility of spread in gyms, but where is the data or the reasoning for the other 2?

They want us to be scruffy, poorly-kempt fatties so we'll stay away from each other and won't be spreading de virus.

In all seriousness though, the restrictions are absolute rubbish.

Pubs and restaurants, who have gone to enormous expense in some cases to facilitate outdoor dining, having to close. Many will not reopen this time.

Shops are not known to be areas with a lot of spread.

Oh and definitely make sure that not all children get to go to their parents funerals.

But 30 schoolchildren could conceivably go on a school tour to any funeral they wanted.

Wanderer78

statto25 wrote: »

They have now but there are still a large amount of students attending colleges for labs etc. Freshers week going ahead was absolutely nuts.

unfortunately not everything can go online, and yup freshers week should have been severely curtailed

Ellie2008

forumdedum wrote: »

That's terrible. There have been 50 people at most funerals.

GAA is a shocking decision

If there was a petition to cancel those GAA matches I’d sign it in a heartbeat. Point of principle, the carry on of their club players was an utter disgrace. If the GAA county games are stopped they might think twice the next time.

The one activity I did has been cancelled despite being socially distanced & outside. It was my only opportunity to have a chat to people as most of my friends live in a different county.

I didn’t go on the lash with my mates.

Wanderer78

Ellie2008 wrote: »

If there was a petition to cancel those GAA matches I’d sign it in a heartbeat. Point of principle, the carry on of their club players was an utter disgrace. If the GAA county games are stopped they might think twice the next time.

The one activity I did has been cancelled despite being socially distanced & outside. It was my only opportunity to have a chat to people as most of my friends live in a different county.

I didn’t go on the lash with my mates.

easily done, and should be

Eod100

Jemima Burke who appeared at NPHET briefing few months ago showed up at Sally Maaz's inquest with other protesters and wasn't wearing a mask. Fairly sickening they're exploiting a family's tragic loss for their agenda.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/coroner-s-court/inquest-into-death-of-girl-17-in-mayo-covid-ward-stopped-over-rule-breach-1.4385492

forumdedum

Ellie2008 wrote: »

If there was a petition to cancel those GAA matches I’d sign it in a heartbeat. Point of principle, the carry on of their club players was an utter disgrace. If the GAA county games are stopped they might think twice the next time.

The one activity I did has been cancelled despite being socially distanced & outside. It was my only opportunity to have a chat to people as most of my friends live in a different county.

I didn’t go on the lash with my mates.

I don't see this carry on changing.

wirelessdude01

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I just cant get my head around that GAA matches and training can go ahead but only 25 at a funeral . A lovely lady I knew is being buried today and her grandchildren cannot even be there . The funeral is in a massive church .,

Why can't they go when the funeral is today?

Beanybabog

Sorry to hear you’re struggling with this Nthclare. I was miserable all night too if that helps-
Misery loves company!
I was so afraid of further restrictions / disruption that I took my maternity leave really early so I could get ready for my third baby, due start of December. I’ve done nothing. I also planned to get ready for Christmas and my daughters birthday at the start of December because I won’t be able to when baby comes.

My maternity leave started yesterday. I got some PJs for my hospital bag at the weekend but now I can’t get any more bits in Penney’s. My OH is waiting on a covid result so even if I wanted to run out and grab stuff today I can’t. I know how much worse off other people are right but I still keep crying. It’s just rubbish. I’m due two days after level 5 is due to end.

StevenToast

The next 2 weeks are crucial

VonLuck

nthclare wrote: »

That's absolutely horrific for someone to endure.
The GAA out on the piss in Clare recently, passing cups and roman holiday saturnalia of manly togetherness in villages up and down the country.
Drinking hugging and slobbering all over each other like neanderthals and covid supposedly spread like bad news and these goons are allowed to be in togetherness, do the same thing over and over again...

But yet your friend passes away and her grandchildren cannot say goodbye.

Well no, that's not really the case. The GAA were never permitted to have gatherings like that. They broke the restrictions. Technically anyone can do what they did.

B.A._Baracus

StevenToast wrote: »

The next 2 weeks are crucial

I assume you're joking right?

Ellie2008

Beanybabog wrote: »

Sorry to hear you’re struggling with this Nthclare. I was miserable all night too if that helps-
Misery loves company!
I was so afraid of further restrictions / disruption that I took my maternity leave really early so I could get ready for my third baby, due start of December. I’ve done nothing. I also planned to get ready for Christmas and my daughters birthday at the start of December because I won’t be able to when baby comes.

My maternity leave started yesterday. I got some PJs for my hospital bag at the weekend but now I can’t get any more bits in Penney’s. My OH is waiting on a covid result so even if I wanted to run out and grab stuff today I can’t. I know how much worse off other people are right but I still keep crying. It’s just rubbish. I’m due two days after level 5 is due to end.

I’m on mat leave as well. I had the baby in the summer. It’s been a relief not to have to deal with WFH & a stressful job but so different to my last mat leave, at times it’s been very lonely.

Jim_Hodge

StevenToast wrote: »

The next 2 weeks are crucial

That's just tiresome and worn out at this stage.

JimToken

Tell me they haven't closed dentists?

Ridiculous if they have

nthclare

VonLuck wrote: »

Well no, that's not really the case. The GAA were never permitted to have gatherings like that. They broke the restrictions. Technically anyone can do what they did.

But the gaa get a free pass, that is the difference.

I played at club level myself, and I assure you we were a bunch of clowns when it came to celebrating.

Although I'm off the hooch since 2003, my former drinking buds are still giggery goos and still lushes...

Go figure

nthclare

Beanybabog wrote: »

Sorry to hear you’re struggling with this Nthclare. I was miserable all night too if that helps-
Misery loves company!
I was so afraid of further restrictions / disruption that I took my maternity leave really early so I could get ready for my third baby, due start of December. I’ve done nothing. I also planned to get ready for Christmas and my daughters birthday at the start of December because I won’t be able to when baby comes.

My maternity leave started yesterday. I got some PJs for my hospital bag at the weekend but now I can’t get any more bits in Penney’s. My OH is waiting on a covid result so even if I wanted to run out and grab stuff today I can’t. I know how much worse off other people are right but I still keep crying. It’s just rubbish. I’m due two days after level 5 is due to end.

I wish you well and I hope everything works out, I feel better now.

My sons 20 and I can't even meet up with him.

What a year this is, and I hope your husband gets a negative.
You've a lot more going on than me, and I shouldn't feel so bad.

You'll be fine.

rob316

Woke up this morning with the feeling someone close to me died last night.

seamus

nthclare wrote: »

But the gaa get a free pass, that is the difference.

It's not really a free pass to be fair. Only the inter-county championship is going ahead, which involves only around 1,500 people.

Omackeral

Deleted User wrote: »

You limit funeral attendees to ten but allow hundreds of people mill around the school gates. Pubs, restaurants and hairdressers are gone to the wall yet thirty lads can jump all over each on the GAA pitch.

That’s the killer right there. All the full-time mammies and mad bastards smoking at the gates giving out about about the government while Kayden, Jayden and Okayden snot and slobber all over each other. Might as well not lock anything down if that’s what’s happening. It’s redundant.

polesheep

rob316 wrote: »

Woke up this morning with the feeling someone close to me died last night.

Very well put.

caveat emptor

Very little mention of why we didn't ramp up the health system, we've been told it takes 6 months to train an ICU nurse. Why was the time not used effectively? I just remember lots of politicking during the summer lull.

Now we are expected to fast forward and say "There's nothing we could have done"
Complete cop out morally. As bad as things are I'm glad I'm not a healthcare worker facing into this.

MM is a lame duck and Leo is a ****stirrer. I heard amongst all of the leaking yesterday "simon coveney says Simon Coveney disagreed strongly with going to level 5" Maybe he was the leak all along. He's certainly benefit if the other two fall on their face.

Anyway until the political crisis is sorted via an election we'll be on the merry go round of limbo / yoyo restrictions. No clear plan to extricate us from this public health crisis. Serious lack of imagination. Defeatist attitude.

What he is saying makes no sense, doesn't even believe himself what he is saying.

https://twitter.com/MlMcNamaraTD/status/1316769420677648395?s=20
https://twitter.com/McConnellDaniel/status/1318266941224738817?s=20

iamwhoiam

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Why can't they go when the funeral is today?

Because there are too many of them .She has a huge family

BringBackMick

6 weeks.....? Does it really need to be six weeks?

I loved how MM, said 'just 6 weeks'

That is a hell of a long time to live under such draconian measures.

Funsterdelux

s1ippy wrote: »

I meant a doctorate of medicine, which is harder to achieve than others. But yes actually even achieving that usually indicates shortcomings in other areas.


They want us to be scruffy, poorly-kempt fatties so we'll stay away from each other and won't be spreading de virus.

In all seriousness though, the restrictions are absolute rubbish.

Pubs and restaurants, who have gone to enormous expense in some cases to facilitate outdoor dining, having to close. Many will not reopen this time.

Shops are not known to be areas with a lot of spread.

Oh and definitely make sure that not all children get to go to their parents funerals.

But 30 schoolchildren could conceivably go on a school tour to any funeral they wanted.

You can visit the grave though, it didnt mention there had to be a corpse in it!

iamwhoiam

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

We need the championship to get us through the 6 weeks. With everything else closed it's going to be an absolute bore.

And we dont need to mourn our dead ? Seriously ?

polesheep

forumdedum wrote: »

Having a doctorate doesn't mean that much sometimes. I know someone who is very intelligent and is yet a complete nut job with no sense of logic.

She is thick.

No, she is not thick. 'Thick' is calling other people thick simply because you don't agree with them.

Doctor Jimbob

caveat emptor wrote: »

Very little mention of why we didn't ramp up the health system, we've been told it takes 6 months to train an ICU nurse. Why was the time not used effectively? I just remember lots of politicking during the summer lull.

Now we are expected to fast forward and say "There's nothing we could have done"
Complete cop out morally. As bad as things are I'm glad I'm not a healthcare worker facing into this.

MM is a lame duck and Leo is a ****stirrer. I heard amongst all of the leaking yesterday "simon coveney says Simon Coveney disagreed strongly with going to level 5" Maybe he was the leak all along. He's certainly benefit if the other two fall on their face.

Anyway until the political crisis is sorted via an election we'll be on the merry go round of limbo / yoyo restrictions. No clear plan to extricate us from this public health crisis. Serious lack of imagination.

They've pinned everything on a somewhat normal Christmas so we might get the election when that inevitably fails.

VonLuck

VonLuck wrote: »

Well no, that's not really the case. The GAA were never permitted to have gatherings like that. They broke the restrictions. Technically anyone can do what they did.

Just to be clear. It wasn't the GAA, it was individual members of clubs who choose to engage in after match parties, outside of activities associated with the matches themselves

Cluedo Monopoly

People seem to be furious this morning. I think 2 or 3 days ago people were expecting 4 (or 4.5) at most. I met a few people in the local village this morning and overreaction is the prevalent opinion.

Sweet.Science

Very busy on the roads this morning . Don't think people have the appetite for another one

eggy81

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

They've pinned everything on a somewhat normal Christmas so we might get the election when that inevitably fails.

So we can put who in?

s1ippy

polesheep wrote: »

No, she is not thick. 'Thick' is calling other people thick simply because you don't agree with them.

Ciara comes off as somebody completely detached from reality. She takes the minority, shocker opinion and runs with it against any constructive criticism and everyone backs down because they're like "well I guess you're a doctor". It's nearly like a very tired comedy segment at this stage.

manniot2

"im visiting a grave". Could a guard actually follow you?

nthclare

seamus wrote: »

It's not really a free pass to be fair. Only the inter-county championship is going ahead, which involves only around 1,500 people.

Do the maths on that, and I openly admit that I was an absolute clown after a championship,as were my team mates, and seeing the antics recently they're still clowns.
Speaking from experience, and a self proclaimed clown acting like a neanderthal after a win or loose.

And back then it was during the 90s, the celebrations have ramped up a lot since then.

caveat emptor

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

They've pinned everything on a somewhat normal Christmas so we might get the election when that inevitably fails.

It's going to be the most straightforward election in history here. It's normal during wartime or pandemics to have leaders who are just not up to it.

Whoever knocks on the door next time around they'll get one question from me. "What's the plan Stan?"

Any doublespeak horse ****e it's the virus's fault. They'll be sent packing. This is not working for the vast majority of people. A change is badly needed before we go bankrupt, the island that is.

Gruffalux

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Very busy on the roads this morning . Don't think people have the appetite for another one

Why wouldn't it be? You only have to stay home if you are actually licking people for a living.

forumdedum

polesheep wrote: »

No, she is not thick. 'Thick' is calling other people thick simply because you don't agree with them.

Ciara is an attention seeker who mostly goes against the grain. For the sake of going against the grain etc.

She's thick. Nothing you say will change my mind on that.

B.A._Baracus

StevenToast wrote: »

The next 2 weeks are crucial

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

That's just tiresome and worn out at this stage.

I hate that expression.
Just irritates me so much. Overused as you say but I think it's gotten used so much people don't even know the meaning of it..as every week "the next two weeks are crucial"

I think it's something people regurgitate to make them sound more clever or something.