Jastine Valdez found dead. No Ana discussion please. Mod warning post 1

retro:electro · 27-05-2018 03:49PM

Conservative wrote: »

There are always going to be voyeuristic weirdos and journalists at these things. His family should not have attended imo.

That’s for his family to decide. Not a relative stranger on the internet.

Conservative · 27-05-2018 03:54PM

retro:electro wrote: »

Conservative wrote: »

There are always going to be voyeuristic weirdos and journalists at these things. His family should not have attended imo.

That’s for his family to decide. Not a relative stranger on the internet.

Of course it's for them to decide! They just made the wrong decision in my opinion.

Attending is completely disrespectful to Jastine Valdez' family.

He should have been incinerated and dumped without any ceremony.

The Talking Bread · 27-05-2018 03:59PM

Conservative wrote: »

There are always going to be voyeuristic weirdos and journalists at these things. His family should not have attended imo.

You have made your point. You have CLEARLY missed the point of their attendance, which for most people is understandable, for some it is even a real sign of support and kindness towards the direct family who have to go through the ordeal.
Personally I wouldn't judge people for attending or not attending. There is no rational way how to conduct yourself in their position.

Conservative · 27-05-2018 04:04PM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Conservative wrote: »

There are always going to be voyeuristic weirdos and journalists at these things. His family should not have attended imo.

You have made your point. You have CLEARLY missed the point of their attendance, which for most people is understandable, for some it is even a real sign of support and kindness towards the direct family who have to go through the ordeal.
Personally I wouldn't judge people for attending or not attending. There is no rational way how to conduct yourself in their position.

Perhaps I have.

What is the purpose of attending?

iamwhoiam · 27-05-2018 04:06PM

Conservative wrote: »

Of course it's for them to decide! They just made the wrong decision in my opinion.

Attending is completely disrespectful to Jastine Valdez' family.

He should have been incinerated and dumped without any ceremony.

Even Jastines family reached out a hand of comfort to the Hennessy family . Do you think they were disrespectful ?

TomOnBoard · 27-05-2018 04:08PM

Conservative wrote: »

Of course it's for them to decide! They just made the wrong decision in my opinion.

Attending is completely disrespectful to Jastine Valdez' family.

I suspect that Jastine's family would not share your opinion. During the week, the Consul to the Phillipines and the Filipino community as reported, were extremely generous in their compassion for the Hennessy family as reported in the Irish Times:

"The Filipino community in Ireland has offered prayers for the families of both Jastine Valdez and Mark Hennessy, the man who is believed to have killed her after he abducted her from Enniskerry, Co Wicklow, on Saturday."

Now, if they can be so generous in their understanding, would that not suggest that you might be on the wrong side of this?

Deusexmachina · 27-05-2018 04:10PM

Conservative wrote: »

Of course they need support. By all means hold a vigil in his victims name where people can show their support.

Attending any kind of service in his name is at best unwise.

You’re tenacious, aren’t you?

It has been explained multiple times by numerous posters here why some people went to his funeral.

Give it a rest

Conservative · 27-05-2018 04:12PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Conservative wrote: »

Of course it's for them to decide! They just made the wrong decision in my opinion.

Attending is completely disrespectful to Jastine Valdez' family.

He should have been incinerated and dumped without any ceremony.

Even Jastines family reached out a hand of comfort to the Hennessy family . Do you think they were disrespectful ?

Listen! I haven't once pointed a finger of blame at anybody other than than him.

I wasn't aware that her family had reached out to his but it's besides the point.

ted1 · 27-05-2018 04:16PM

Maybe they went to pray for him, that I’d do pray he went to hell

Conservative · 27-05-2018 04:20PM

Deusexmachina wrote: »

Conservative wrote: »

Of course they need support. By all means hold a vigil in his victims name where people can show their support.

Attending any kind of service in his name is at best unwise.

You’re tenacious, aren’t you?

It has been explained multiple times by numerous posters here why some people went to his funeral.

Give it a rest

The only explanation I've gotten is guff about supporting the family and I've made my opinion clear on their presence already.

If JV family are at peace with the ceremony I can only admire their decency.

Clearly I don't share it.

TomOnBoard · 27-05-2018 04:21PM

Conservative wrote: »

Listen! I haven't once pointed a finger of blame at anybody other than than him.

I wasn't aware that her family had reached out to his but it's besides the point.

So what part of "Attending is completely disrespectful to Jastine Valdez' family" is not pointing a finger of blame at "anybody other than him'

The Talking Bread · 27-05-2018 04:21PM

Conservative wrote: »

Perhaps I have.

What is the purpose of attending?

Explaining is wasted on you it seems as you are not convinced. You are entitled to not want to attend in the circumstances, noone would judge your decision on here but fortunately you are not in the position to have to make that decision and the chances are you never will be.
But to judge that woman's family friends and his close family for attending is immature and shows a lack of empathy on your behalf.

Essentially what you are doing is hanging his wife, parents, two young innocent out to dry and telling them to deal with the circumstances. He is just a piece of ash now, but they are conscious beings.

Personally with that attitude when I am in my darkest darkest hour, you are the sort of person I wouldn't want to rely on to comfort me.

Sardonicat · 27-05-2018 04:24PM

Conservative wrote: »

Clearly I don't share it.

Crystal

Well done you.

Deusexmachina · 27-05-2018 04:26PM

Conservative wrote: »

The only explanation I've gotten is guff about supporting the family and I've made my opinion clear on their presence already.

If JV family are at peace with the ceremony I can only admire their decency.

Clearly I don't share it.

‘He should be fed to the lions’,
‘burn him and dump him’.....

Compassion isn’t your strong suit.

There were lots of victims in this tragedy - including his wife, children, parents and siblings.

Please drop the vindictive.

TomOnBoard · 27-05-2018 04:29PM

ittakestwo wrote: »

Both innocent families have been thorn apart by this. You would go to the funeral of MH if you knew a family member well and wanted to show support for them in an extremely difficult time.

"A true friend is someone who is there for you when he'd rather be anywhere else." - Len Wein

iamwhoiam · 27-05-2018 04:33PM

Conservative wrote: »

The only explanation I've gotten is guff about supporting the family and I've made my opinion clear on their presence already.

If JV family are at peace with the ceremony I can only admire their decency.

Clearly I don't share it.

Give it rest now . Enough

sightband · 27-05-2018 04:36PM

Conservative wrote: »

Perhaps I have.

What is the purpose of attending?

They wanted to disrespect Jastines family, that and they were giving out half price coupons on a supermacs big king meal on the way in. Can we leave it at that?

Conservative · 27-05-2018 04:45PM

sightband wrote: »

Conservative wrote: »

Perhaps I have.

What is the purpose of attending?

They wanted to disrespect Jastines family, that and they were giving out half price coupons on a supermacs big king meal on the way in. Can we leave it at that?

1/10

Deusexmachina wrote: »

Conservative wrote: »

The only explanation I've gotten is guff about supporting the family and I've made my opinion clear on their presence already.

If JV family are at peace with the ceremony I can only admire their decency.

Clearly I don't share it.

‘He should be fed to the lions’,
‘burn him and dump him’.....

Compassion isn’t your strong suit.

There were lots of victims in this tragedy - including his wife, children, parents and siblings.

Please drop the vindictive.

I have compassion for people deserving of it.

I have absolutely zero for him.

He got off lightly with a bullet in the head.

I'm sure many who attended will later regret that decision.

Good luck

Ultimate Seduction · 27-05-2018 04:51PM

Conservative wrote: »

1/10

I have compassion for people deserving of it.

I have absolutely zero for him.

He got off lightly with a bullet in the head.

I'm sure many who attended will later regret that decision.

Good luck

And the people were more than likely there to show compassion to his wife and kids. Not him. You're trolling at this stage on a thread about the poor girl. You are showing more disrespect for her than anyone attending

Conservative · 27-05-2018 04:56PM

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

Conservative wrote: »

1/10

I have compassion for people deserving of it.

I have absolutely zero for him.

He got off lightly with a bullet in the head.

I'm sure many who attended will later regret that decision.

Good luck

And the people were more than likely there to show compassion to his wife and kids. Not him. You're trolling at this stage on a thread about the poor girl. You are showing more disrespect for her than anyone attending

What are you going on about you muppet!!?

Read the thread before posting your bull****.

Ultimate Seduction · 27-05-2018 04:58PM

Conservative wrote: »

What are you going on about you muppet!!?

Read the thread before posting your bull****.

Calling me a Muppet really shows your maturity.

Mam of 4 · 27-05-2018 05:01PM

Has anyone had friends/colleagues attend a removal or funeral for a family member ? To show their support for you , to let you know they're there even if they didn't know the deceased that well ?

Why shouldn't MH's family be entitled to the same respect and comfort from others ?
They done nothing wrong but are the ones who will have to bear the burden of his dispicable actions for the rest of their lives .

sightband · 27-05-2018 05:01PM

Conservative wrote: »

What are you going on about you muppet!!?

Read the thread before posting your bull****.

Read the GSOC statement before posting your own bull****, he wasn’t shot in the head...you clearly haven’t a breeze what you are talking about.

Conservative · 27-05-2018 05:10PM

sightband wrote: »

Conservative wrote: »

What are you going on about you muppet!!?

Read the thread before posting your bull****.

Read the GSOC statement before posting your own bull****, he wasn’t shot in the head...you clearly haven’t a breeze what you are talking about.

How exactly is that relevant? I don't live in Ireland full time so missed the clarification on his death.

It's like an eternal students union debate around here. God Save Ireland!

Conservative · 27-05-2018 05:11PM

sightband wrote: »

Conservative wrote: »

What are you going on about you muppet!!?

Read the thread before posting your bull****.

Read the GSOC statement before posting your own bull****, he wasn’t shot in the head...you clearly haven’t a breeze what you are talking about.

How exactly is that relevant? I don't live in Ireland full time so missed the clarification on his death.

It's like an eternal students union debate around here. God Save Ireland!

Roger Hassenforder · 27-05-2018 05:31PM

ThinkProgress wrote: »

Why? They didn't kill anyone... Their dad was the psycho, but he's gone now!

They don't have to live in that shadow... I'm sure it's possible for them to move on with their lives and be happy. If you are suggesting that they will/should walk around feeling guilty for the rest of their lives... I disagree!

Would love to hear how his wife and kids can "move on" from such a tradgedy.

Im not suggesting what they should do. Others seem more adept at that.
Maybe they wont give a sh1t , maybe they will be able to park it, and be happy, and not think about a man whom they presumably loved and called dad, turning into a monster, and not worry it might happen to them.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 27-05-2018 07:15PM

Conservative wrote: »

What are you going on about you muppet!!?

Read the thread before posting your bull****.

Mod note: Conservative, don't post in this thread again.

Buford T. Justice

DMcL1971 · 27-05-2018 10:17PM

The Valdez and Hennessy families met on Friday to exchange sympathies with each other. We can all learn a lesson from the strength and dignity of these two families.

http://www.thejournal.ie/hennessy-valdez-families-4039475-May2018/

Strazdas · 27-05-2018 10:19PM

Sunday Indo reported today that it is believed the murderer killed Jastine within a few short minutes (from piecing together reported sightings). Makes you wonder if the motive was even sexual : he may simply have been driving around the area in a manic state looking for someone to kill and she was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

wellwhynot · 27-05-2018 10:38PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Sunday Indo reported today that it is believed the murderer killed Jastine within a few short minutes (from piecing together reported sightings). Makes you wonder if the motive was even sexual : he may simply have been driving around the area in a manic state looking for someone to kill and she was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I don’t know if we will ever know. Unfortunately the two people who might be able to give us an insight are both dead. I am in no way bashing the Gardaí with that statement though. Shooting Mh in the circumstances was the correct thing to do.

I do have sympathy for MH’s family. Losing a child in any circumstances is horrendous. All of their memories will be forever tainted with what he did. He has brought notoreity on the family and they will have to live with that for the rest of their lives.

Jastine Valdez found dead. No Ana discussion please. Mod warning post 1

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