Jastine Valdez found dead. No Ana discussion please. Mod warning post 1

tara73 · 27-05-2018 10:38AM

Conservative wrote: »

Why would anybody (100 people??) go to his funeral mass?

Should have been fed to the lions in Phoenix Park.

My guess is, there are always people who show up to such funerals just for sensational reasons. Disgusting.

The parents, wife and other close relatives didn't 'make' Mark Hennessy to do what he did. He might have had a difficult childhood or whatever but it still doesn't justify such actions.
What I want to say is, I don't understand when people don't feel for the parents, siblings, wife of MH. They are living the nightmare now too. Nobody of them decided for MH to do what he did or even had the slightest idea of what he was able to do I would guess.

Both relatives, Jastines and Mark H., have their world torn apart and have to live with it the rest of their life with this pain and stigma. Stigma is a horrible thing.

So me, personally, I don't feel much difference in sympathie with the two involved family members in what they are going through. But that's me, probably everybody feels diferent in such cases.

Conservative · 27-05-2018 10:44AM

tara73 wrote: »

Conservative wrote: »

Why would anybody (100 people??) go to his funeral mass?

Should have been fed to the lions in Phoenix Park.

My guess is, there are always people who show up to such funerals just for sensational reasons. Disgusting.

The parents, wife and other close relatives didn't 'make' Mark Hennessy to do what he did. He might have had a difficult childhood or whatever but it still doesn't justify such actions.
What I want to say is, I don't understand when people don't feel for the parents, siblings, wife of MH. They are living the nightmare now too. Nobody of them decided for MH to do what he did or even had the slightest idea of what he was able to do I would guess.

Both relatives, Jastines and Mark H., have their world torn apart and have to live with it the rest of their life with this pain and stigma. Stigma is a horrible thing.

So me, personally, I don't feel much difference in sympathie with the two involved family members in what they are going through. But that's me, probably everybody feels diferent in such cases.

I agree with you 100%. My only issue is I don't think anybody should have attended his funeral.

Suckit · 27-05-2018 11:11AM

Conservative wrote: »

I agree with you 100%. My only issue is I don't think anybody should have attended his funeral.

So you've said.

But they did, and many did it out of respect for his innocent family and to show them that there are some that are there for them.

I suspect some of the 100 that attended were from the redtops and future novelists looking for some tripe to write and get some photos, and the rest were family and friends of the family showing support. They are all still coming to terms with what has happened also.

Deusexmachina · 27-05-2018 11:11AM

Conservative wrote: »

Have what?

The only person responsible for his actions is him.

However, anybody who attended his funeral made an error in judgement which for their own sake I hope they later regret.

He doesn't deserve anything.

Wibbs and other posters here have explained this very well.
There is really no need for you to denounce people for attending the funeral.

Compassion and support for those who are suffering deeply is one of the greatest attributes of humanity.

These are fully innocent people and the fathers words were heartbreaking.

DMcL1971 · 27-05-2018 11:19AM

I would imagine that many people who knew Hennessy did choose not to attend his funeral.

But of those who did attend they probably fell into two categories.

First, those who loved him. He had daughters, a mother, father, brothers, sisters aunties, uncles, people who knew him for 40 years before he committed this horrible crime. They remember him as he was in the past. Attending his funeral does not mean condoning his actions. I have brothers and sisters whom I love. If it turns out tomorrow that they are murders or pedophiles or something equally horrendous it will disgust me but not undo a lifetime of experiences and feelings.

Second, friends of the family members. These people attend a funeral to show love and support to the surviving Hennessy family members. Should his parent or daughters be left to feel that no one loves them or supports them. In their darkest hour should they have been abandoned by everyone? I have attended funerals of friend's parents or siblings who I have never met, I am there to support a friend in their hour of need.

I don't imagine there where too many onlookers as the funeral was not advertised in the papers or on rip.ie. It was a 15 minute non-religious ceremony and cremation.

The Nal · 27-05-2018 11:32AM

So whats going to happen to the people who knew him, saw him on Sunday morning and didn't report it to the police?

27-05-2018 11:38AM

The Nal wrote: »

So whats going to happen to the people who knew him, saw him on Sunday morning and didn't report it to the police?

How would they have had the foggiest idea of what he had done? Think about what you’re spouting before mashing the keyboard with your fists.

Suckit · 27-05-2018 11:39AM

The Nal wrote: »

So whats going to happen to the people who knew him, saw him on Sunday morning and didn't report it to the police?

Who saw him on Sunday morning?

Nothing would happen anyway. They probably didn't know he was wanted then.

kingofclay · 27-05-2018 11:42AM

Suckit wrote: »

Who saw him on Sunday morning?

Nothing would happen anyway. They probably didn't know he was wanted then.

His friend did, and they did know he was wanted. His friend was following him perhaps hoping he'd go towards where Jastine was.

I think the fact Jastine died the evening before will clear them.

DMcL1971 · 27-05-2018 12:00PM

It has been reported in several places that a friend of Mark Hennessy, who knew the Gardai were looking for him had seen Hennessy on Sunday morning on Killiney beach. He followed him but lost him. He did not give this information to the gardai even after nationwide alerts were made to keep an eye out. RTE news reported that the man will probably receive a caution.

http://www.thejournal.ie/valdez-hennessy-4027752-May2018/

Conservative · 27-05-2018 12:13PM

There are additional quotes from his family on a news site called Dublinlive which are not reported in the national papers. Presumably this isn't a reputable site?

kingofclay · 27-05-2018 12:15PM

I really feel for the Hennessy family.

The Nal · 27-05-2018 12:16PM

Omackeral wrote: »

How would they have had the foggiest idea of what he had done? Think about what you’re spouting before mashing the keyboard with your fists.

No that would be you. As per above posts.

A friend saw him, knew where he was, knew he had murdered someone and didn't call the police and then lost track of him. Could've easily contributed to another murder, or murders.

Suckit · 27-05-2018 12:17PM

Kilkenny?
I hadn't read that. Why was he following him?

I just saw the CCTV footage of him in the carpark before he abducted her. I was expecting to see him a bit highly strung or something. He looks very composed on the phone.

Conservative · 27-05-2018 12:19PM

Suckit wrote: »

Kilkenny?
I hadn't read that. Why was he following him?

I just saw the CCTV footage of him in the carpark before he abducted her. I was expecting to see him a bit highly strung or something. He looks very composed on the phone.

The poster meant Killiney (presumably autocorrect) which is close by.

Suckit · 27-05-2018 12:19PM

The Nal wrote: »

No that would be you. As per above posts.

A friend saw him, knew where he was, knew he had murdered someone and didn't call the police and then lost track of him. Could've easily contributed to another murder, or murders.

He couldn't have known she was murdered then.

Weird that he didn't call the Gardaí though.

The Nal · 27-05-2018 12:22PM

Suckit wrote: »

He couldn't have known she was murdered then.

Weird that he didn't call the Gardaí though.

Well, missing, but the writing was on the wall.

Either way, awful behaviour. Was in plain view of him for an hour and didn't call the police and then Hennessey was free and driving about all day Sunday as a result.

Suckit · 27-05-2018 12:25PM

Just found the article now.

http://www.thejournal.ie/valdez-hennessy-4027752-May2018/

TheJournal.ie understands that Hennessy was spotted on Killiney Beach on Sunday morning – the day after he allegedly killed Jastine and hours before he was shot dead during an incident with gardaí.
It is believed he was seen by a friend who had been out searching for him following the release of garda alerts. This person, it is claimed, decided to see if he could track his movements without alerting gardaí.
It is understood that he passed on this information to someone else who knew Hennessy – but not to gardaí.
Hennessy was said to have been in a severely agitated state while on the beach and the person who spotted him was concerned about what could happen if gardaí were to arrive on scene. Despite their best efforts, the person lost track of his location after about an hour.
Hennessy, who was by now wanted for questioning over Jastine’s disappearance, drove the short distance through Ballybrack, where he is originally from, and onto the N11. Members of the Civil Defence, who were also searching for Jastine, spotted the black Nissan Qashqai at what used to

Roger Hassenforder · 27-05-2018 12:43PM

Conservative wrote: »

I agree with you 100%. My only issue is I don't think anybody should have attended his funeral.

I doubt anyone attended to offer their condolences on their loss, more to show support to another destroyed family
You can have sympathy for his family, without diminishing sympathy for the Valdezs.

Her parents heartbreak and grief will pass with them. His kids grow up knowing what their father did, wondering could they have a monster inside as well. They have a lifetime of suffering ahead.

Strazdas · 27-05-2018 01:29PM

There was an interesting half hour discussion on Jastine on Marian Finucane this morning. What I didn't realise was just how unusual an event this was. They had an expert on this subject in studio and she said it's extremely rare for a woman in Ireland to be murdered by a complete stranger. The only two cases in recent memory were a Romanian girl in 2012 and the Swiss student Manuela Riedo about ten years' ago.

It does tell us just just how unbelievably unlucky poor Jastine was. The odds of her being abducted by a random maniac and murdered in a given year in Ireland would have been many millions to one.

ittakestwo · 27-05-2018 01:42PM

Both innocent families have been thorn apart by this. You would go to the funeral of MH if you knew a family member well and wanted to show support for them in an extremely difficult time.

sightband · 27-05-2018 01:50PM

ittakestwo wrote: »

Both innocent families have been thorn apart by this. You would go to the funeral of MH if you knew a family member well and wanted to show support for them in an extremely difficult time.

Well said

retro:electro · 27-05-2018 02:54PM

I can understand why people attended his funeral. His family need support too. It’s not their fault their son/husband/father was such a monster. Imagine being abandoned by everyone around you because someone related to you did something horrific. It’s not their fault.

KathleenGrant · 27-05-2018 03:18PM

retro:electro wrote: »

I can understand why people attended his funeral. His family need support too. It’s not their fault their son/husband/father was such a monster. Imagine being abandoned by everyone around you because someone related to you did something horrific. It’s not their fault.

Glad I don't know him. Yes his family need support, not their faults and I would hate for them to feel isolated. BUT!! I have daughters who have been really shaken by this crime, quite upset. I would have to be more concerned about MY family's feelings than about HIS family's so overall I would say no!

ThinkProgress · 27-05-2018 03:37PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

I doubt anyone attended to offer their condolences on their loss, more to show support to another destroyed family
You can have sympathy for his family, without diminishing sympathy for the Valdezs.

Her parents heartbreak and grief will pass with them. His kids grow up knowing what their father did, wondering could they have a monster inside as well. They have a lifetime of suffering ahead.

Why? They didn't kill anyone... Their dad was the psycho, but he's gone now!

They don't have to live in that shadow... I'm sure it's possible for them to move on with their lives and be happy. If you are suggesting that they will/should walk around feeling guilty for the rest of their lives... I disagree!

Conservative · 27-05-2018 03:38PM

retro:electro wrote: »

I can understand why people attended his funeral. His family need support too. It’s not their fault their son/husband/father was such a monster. Imagine being abandoned by everyone around you because someone related to you did something horrific. It’s not their fault.

Of course they need support. By all means hold a vigil in his victims name where people can show their support.

Attending any kind of service in his name is at best unwise.

iamwhoiam · 27-05-2018 03:42PM

Conservative wrote: »

Of course they need support. By all means hold a vigil in his victims name where people can show their support.

Attending any kind of service in his name is at best unwise.

Unwise ? For whom ? I doubt anyone is judging them as much as you are . It's their business how they choose to support a family who is deeply traumatised . If my good friend was in their position and she needed me then I would be there for her regardless of who judged me .

TomOnBoard · 27-05-2018 03:46PM

KathleenGrant wrote: »

Glad I don't know him. Yes his family need support, not their faults and I would hate for them to feel isolated. BUT!! I have daughters who have been really shaken by this crime, quite upset. I would have to be more concerned about MY family's feelings than about HIS family's so overall I would say no!

I certainly understand your point and see the dilemna. However, perhaps this would be a useful moment for a chat with your daughters to explain the dilemma and why you might have some sympathy for all the innocent victims of this tragedy, despite considering that the perpetrator acted monstrously and was downright evil in what he did. Working through that dilemna with them ( which I acknowledge wouldn't be easy,) could be a helpful life lesson that might help them achieve a sense of balance and tolerance in their own thinking and outlook.

BTW, I also have daughters and do understand the significant fear that this apparently random attack and subsequent murder engenders. However, I believe that as a society, we are overly fearful and creating undue anxiety in an already over-anxious world. Dreadful things happen. Is it more dangerous/worse today than in previous times? Personally, apart from in some criminal gang circles, I don't think so. However, I could be wrong.

It's a dreadful thing that Hennessy did. We need to extract ANY learning that we can from all the circumstances so that some good might come from the evil.

Conservative · 27-05-2018 03:47PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Conservative wrote: »

Of course they need support. By all means hold a vigil in his victims name where people can show their support.

Attending any kind of service in his name is at best unwise.

Unwise ? For whom ? I doubt anyone is judging them as much as you are . It's their business how they choose to support a family who is deeply traumatised . If my good friend was in their position and she needed me then I would be there for her regardless of who judged me .

There are always going to be voyeuristic weirdos and journalists at these things. His family should not have attended imo.

iamwhoiam · 27-05-2018 03:49PM

Conservative wrote: »

There are always going to be voyeuristic weirdos and journalists at these things. His family should not have attended imo.

Oh for heavens sake . Let the family grieve and leave them to judge their needs

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