Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

opinionated3

Thierry12 wrote: »

Yeah its great to see

Settling at level 3 would be liveable

Would like to have a steak dinner, if they could get that in

Settling at level three is liveable? Are you serious? No socialising?

Xaniaj

opinionated3 wrote: »

Settling at level three is liveable? Are you serious? No socialising?

God forbid you don't live in the same county as your family, I'm now into month.... 5? of not being able to visit my family this year.

Goldrickssan

Thierry12 wrote: »

Yeah its great to see

Settling at level 3 would be liveable

Would like to have a steak dinner, if they could get that in

We need level 2 for Xmas.

If cases are actually going to start trending down now I can see us into level 3 in 6 weeks. Then maybe level 2 a couple of weeks after that and through Xmas.

Then its back to square one though because our health service is absolute ass capacity wise.

seamus

seamus wrote: »

It's amusing that when cases are bad, the headline is posted 20 times on RTE news. When the numbers are better, they don't even mention it.

Last night's numbers are buried in a piece on Tony's interview on the Late Late, but Thursday's numbers are still the title of an article.

Legislation was passed on Thursday to seal the records of the mother and baby homes for 30 years, and in doing so the government will breach European and Irish law, according to the Office of the Data Protection Commission.

There isn't one mention of this on RTE's website today, yet it is the main headline on the Irish Examiner today.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40070294.html

Had the public not been so distracted by Covid, there would be uproar about this.

Blondini

caveat emptor wrote: »

Yeah 777 was the biggest divergence with the trend in last 100 days. Hopefully it is the start of a prolonged decrease but we'll have to wait and see. Certainly looks like an outlier.

What's an outlier?

Blondini

Blondini wrote: »

What's an outlier?

a person or thing situated away or detached from the main body or system.

Gruffalux

normanoffside wrote: »

It was in Athy Co Kildare Paddy

I was told about that shebeen in Athy in late August. The Gardai just raided it last night. :rolleyes:

Blondini

Deleted User wrote: »

a person or thing situated away or detached from the main body or system.

Sorry, I was being facetious.

caveat emptor

Deleted User wrote: »

a person or thing situated away or detached from the main body or system.

Would a shebeen be an outlier so? :pac:

froog

Blondini wrote: »

What's an outlier?

there are some posters in this thread who are out and out liars.

Blondini

caveat emptor wrote: »

Would a shebeen be an outlier so? :pac:

Come on, you'd know that if you studied bartistics .

caveat emptor

Blondini wrote: »

Come on, you'd know that if you studied bartistics .

haha yeah an outlier has become a politically loaded term. It has a different meanings to different people and they are necessarily wrong. Very hard to agree on what constitutes one with covid data. One county final can produce 'an outlier' but it's not actually an outlier as it is real.

What affect of doing your own contract tracing has on the numbers? I know we are model citizens but there will be some who'd rather say nothing and maintain plausible deniability. There's no shame with this thing but it would be a hard call if there was a household member who was vulnerable.

There is no rigid mathematical definition of what constitutes an outlier; determining whether or not an observation is an outlier is ultimately a subjective exercise.[7] There are various methods of outlier detection.[8][9][10][11] Some are graphical such as normal probability plots. Others are model-based. Box plots are a hybrid.

Model-based methods which are commonly used for identification assume that the data are from a normal distribution, and identify observations which are deemed "unlikely" based on mean and standard deviation:

Strumms

46 Long wrote: »

We make judgements like that all the time. The HSE website lists annual flu deaths of between 200-500 every year, mostly older people. Lockdowns, mandatory face masks and social distancing would probably reduce the number of deaths and mitigate the pressure on the health services. But we don't do that, never have and never will.

You cannot compare flu and covid. That stats you have posted re: flu are bad but the covid situation is catastrophic...

Ireland cases: 55,261

Ireland deaths : 1,878

Thierry12

Strumms wrote: »

You cannot compare flu and covid. That stats you have posted re: flu are bad but the covid situation is catastrophic...

Ireland cases: 55,261

Ireland deaths : 1,878

Its probably 250,000 - 500,000 cases in realty

Still way worse than flu, incomparable

s1ippy

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Legislation was passed on Thursday to seal the records of the mother and baby homes for 30 years, and in doing so the government will breach European and Irish law, according to the Office of the Data Protection Commission.

There isn't one mention of this on RTE's website today, yet it is the main headline on the Irish Examiner today.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40070294.html

Had the public not been so distracted by Covid, there would be uproar about this.

The Data Protection commissioner has noted that it's against both European and Irish GDPR.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/blanket-ban-on-mother-and-baby-homes-data-access-contested-1.4389816

Thierry12

opinionated3 wrote: »

Settling at level three is liveable? Are you serious? No socialising?

For now anyway

Compared to many countries in Europe we have Covid under control

Maybe a level 2.5 will keep it at bay and we can see family more and have some socialisation in restaurants etc

MerlinSouthDub

Blondini wrote: »

What's an outlier?

It's annoying the way the case reporting is so inconsistent. I think we all know that yesterday's true number was about 1000, similar to previous days, based on the swab data. It's pretty pointless publishing daily data if it's just not reliable.

JimToken

Sheebeen found

Rte news headline

Mullaghteelin

Can we not just declare Rté a biased amateurish news source and be done with it?
We are a nation of slow learners, they've been at it for decades.

MerlinSouthDub

Goldrickssan wrote: »

We need level 2 for Xmas.

If cases are actually going to start trending down now I can see us into level 3 in 6 weeks. Then maybe level 2 a couple of weeks after that and through Xmas.

Then its back to square one though because our health service is absolute ass capacity wise.

I really don't think they should open the pubs and restaurants for Christmas. It will be carnage. They will have to allow people to visit friends and relatives though. Well, even if they don't, people will do it anyway (quite rightly)

polesheep

Deleted User wrote: »

For balance here is the Germany situation today:
R=rate 1.23
6000 infected in Hospital of which 1000 are in intensive care
8000 intensive beds are free so no panic.

Plenty of free beds means no hysteria.
People are still eating out, going to the gym, shopping, etc.
There are just reasonable restrictions like masks in shops, public transport and pedestrianized zones.

If we had 8,000 ICU beds available we would still be in lockdown as the intention here is that no one should die of/with Covid. Any other cause is ok, just not Covid.

polesheep

Deleted User wrote: »

Yay. Further staff self isolating. Relying on bank nursing here. We are running out of single rooms to keep the covid patients in as well.

Can you point to an independent source for this information please?

Strumms

Trouser Snake wrote: »

Covid compliance officer in the local petrol station yesterday on a power trip lining everyone up exactly on the spots in the deli queue.
Tensions were needlessly heightened by her carry on, people were socially distancing just fine before she intervened.

If I’m out and about working, my sandwich is being made at home, night before , put in a cooler bag with drinks, a bar, dessert, whatever. Any idiot can accomplish that ! Why the fûck would you in the middle of a bastarding pandemic, want to be Qing in a Spar, Centra, O’Briens, Texaco, Circle K, or wherever deli, when you can invest TEN minutes the night before getting a sandwich made and cooler bag ready with your stuff... sambo, drinks, dessert etc....

Fraction of the price and none of the danger of Qing in a deli.

Non solum non ambulabit

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Go to Victoria if you want to experience what restrictive measures really feel like. A heads up, you will be forced into a 2-week mandatory quarantine on arrival, something that doesn't exist as a requirement on this island.

What part of Europe is Victoria in?

MarkY91

Can someone explain why a comic book shop on mary street, Dublin is allowed to open but not a clothes shop?

How are comic books essential?

stargazer 68

polesheep wrote: »

Can you point to an independent source for this information please?

Where on earth would you get an independent source on the staffing levels today at a nursing home!! I can tell you how many staff we had out last week due to being close contacts and being told to stay home. I can tell you how we covered those shifts but you certainly wouldn't be able to find that information anywhere else!

mean gene

rte lets face it is a mouth piece for government and whatever agenda they go with they are not independent

Allinall

MarkY91 wrote: »

Can someone explain why a comic book shop on mary street, Dublin is allowed to open but not a clothes shop?

How are comic books essential?

I would imagine they’re not allowed to open.

Have you reported them?

Loafing Oaf

MarkY91 wrote: »

Can someone explain why a comic book shop on mary street, Dublin is allowed to open but not a clothes shop?

How are comic books essential?

Probably have a few bottles of hand sanitizer at the till

Sheepdish1

Will Yam wrote: »

Dublin is also dropping but too soon to say if its a trend.

But level 3 has been in place for 5 weeks so how can you say they didnt give it enough time?

It wasn’t enforced. It was only guidance which is a big issue. If it was enforced eg actual fines etc it may have worked. Even retail with doors on to street could have been left open to reduce people in shopping centres. Or perhaps they are closed to avoid people travelling to them ?