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Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,309 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    It’s been accelerated by social media. My dad tells me about the 1967-68 Hong Kong Flu pandemic, that’s estimated to have killed 200,000 in the UK and the 57-58 Asian flu that killed 30,000 (half of which were young). Everyone knew people were dying, but they just got on with life because it wasn’t pushed in your face every minute of every day, with commentators falling over themselves to be more hysterical and attention grabbing than the commentator that went before. Not saying we should be as stoic as our parents and grandparents in the face of a pandemic, but there is definitely a lesson there on our resilience today compared to then

    (Looked at the numbers in the Lancet)

    All cause mortality in England Wales 1901 to 2000

    https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20150908090558/http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/publications/re-reference-tables.html?edition=tcm%3A77-215593

    Pick out any year and add up the number of deaths from all causes and compare with 2001 to date which would be at the below link

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/the21stcenturymortalityfilesdeathsdataset

    From a quick look, all cause mortality is pretty bad this year compared to recent years but not if you go back further than that. Likely due to bad flu epidemics and a terrible toll from cardiovascular and respiratory diseases. It's also not that long ago since there were regular peasouper smogs and large numbers of people working in unhealthy environments such as coal mines which undoubtedly shortened their lives. The media is not interested in good news about reduction in cardiovascular disease deaths - but when the people who "should have" died from cardiovascular disease at age 50 die from/with Covid at age 80, we're in a apocalypse.

    The Covid apocalypse is something that is easy to sell, the media also love easy to understand specific scandals like Cervical Check. As bad as that scandal is, far more people will have died needlessly in our shambolic health service over the years from other causes, not because medicine was not advanced enough but because of general mismanagement.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    There's no evidence that the proposal was adopted

    I was wondering that... read down to the bottom of the documented and it said something like accepted by the covid protection commitee?* does that mean it is accepted as a proposal or tge proposal has been accepted? And is now suggested as best practise but it is up to the labs etc to implement if they agree with it and ut works for their manufacturers/callibrated equipment? Read Martinas response yesterday and then read the last line afterwards maybe she might be able to clarify that line?
    Great all of my posts today are questions,a bit out of the loop... relative in for surgery at moment.

    Edit.. Pandemic incident control team *


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    Is it not the change in sensitivity of pcr test's?

    They were 37, now 30?

    Alot less cases with that change?

    That was only a suggestion as far as I'm aware, the document listed it as a possibility but it never went through from what I can see.

    Tweet suggesting it appears to be quite misleading


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,742 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    Is it not the change in sensitivity of pcr test's?

    They were 37, now 30?

    Alot less cases with that change?

    Read the document rather than the tweet.
    It was a proposal and if adopted, it only really effects people who recieve a second positive result.
    There's no mention about the CT value being reduced from 37 to 30. And they couldn't give figures as different assays have different CT cycles as per the supplier/manufacturer.


  • Registered Users Posts: 859 ✭✭✭OwenM


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Read the document rather than the tweet.
    It was a proposal and if adopted, it only really effects people who recieve a second positive result.
    There's no mention about the CT value being reduced from 37 to 30. And they couldn't give figures as different assays have different CT cycles as per the supplier/manufacturer.

    This sounds correct, I haven't seen anything about reducing cycle count, please do post anything along these lines.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,116 ✭✭✭bazermc


    Have the case numbers been published earlier then usually the last few days?


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,449 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    bazermc wrote: »
    Have the case numbers been published earlier then usually the last few days?

    Yeah I noticed that a few times, case numbers came out at about 5 PM or thereabouts.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,561 ✭✭✭Sconsey


    Wasn't talking about that . Unfortunately the virus has already got to our most vulnerable . And will again . No stopping it . Just delaying it over a longer period time . That's the reality

    No thats not the reality at all.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Read the document rather than the tweet.
    It was a proposal and if adopted, it only really effects people who recieve a second positive result.
    There's no mention about the CT value being reduced from 37 to 30. And they couldn't give figures as different assays have different CT cycles as per the supplier/manufacturer.

    Agreed butI think 34 was mentioned... slightly lower than the orange ones get out of covid hospital card which is why I remember ...in the context as having a very low possiblility of culturing active virus from.


  • Registered Users Posts: 255 ✭✭AAAAAAAAA


    Hey guys, whats the story with getting tested if you don't have access to a car and therefore can't use a drive-thru?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    AAAAAAAAA wrote: »
    Hey guys, whats the story with getting tested if you don't have access to a car and therefore can't use a drive-thru?
    Thread on testing where you can ask.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058062347


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,456 ✭✭✭tigger123


    AAAAAAAAA wrote: »
    Hey guys, whats the story with getting tested if you don't have access to a car and therefore can't use a drive-thru?

    Rollerblades.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,006 ✭✭✭mcburns07


    AAAAAAAAA wrote: »
    Hey guys, whats the story with getting tested if you don't have access to a car and therefore can't use a drive-thru?

    NINTCHDBPICT000586994513.jpg


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 220 ✭✭holdyerhorses


    What if this is as good as it gets

    The new normal becomes another endemic respiratory disease in circulation and we go about our lives mostly as before.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 80,086 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sephiroth_dude




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