Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

Blondini

daydorunrun wrote: »

Yes, let not forget the import issues that this highlights- littering :rolleyes:

Too right my friend, think of the air miles and co2 to import that plastic.

suicide_circus

I'm told pretty much every store in the Pavilions shopping centre (Swords Co. Dublin) is open for "click & collect" but theyre not stopping people wandering in and buying off the shelves

igCorcaigh

I think the whole retail thing is a bit silly.
Cases fell over summer with retail open, along with SD and masks.

Socialising and hospitality seem to be the problems.

suicide_circus

igCorcaigh wrote: »

I think the whole retail thing is a bit silly.
Cases fell over summer with retail open, along with SD and masks.

Socialising and hospitality seem to be the problems.

Socialising and schools surely?

igCorcaigh

suicide_circus wrote: »

Socialising and schools surely?

I'm not with the schools argument yet. I think adult socialising had a much bigger effect based on the age groups affected.

Jimson

igCorcaigh wrote: »

I think the whole retail thing is a bit silly.
Cases fell over summer with retail open, along with SD and masks.

Socialising and hospitality seem to be the problems.

It's the schools with most students been asytomatic. The numbers only started ramping up when the schools reopened.

When we were at 50 cases a day house parties were rampant all over the country.

Even with cases in schools there not shutting them down.

Its a disgrace.

GazzaL

suicide_circus wrote: »

I'm told pretty much every store in the Pavilions shopping centre (Swords Co. Dublin) is open for "click & collect" but theyre not stopping people wandering in and buying off the shelves

Dead right too. People need to get on with things.

suicide_circus

igCorcaigh wrote: »

I'm not with the schools argument yet. I think adult socialising had a much bigger effect based on the age groups affected.

My thoughts are; how could schools NOT be a major source of transmission? Infected kids remain largely asymptomatic, theyre licking each other, not wearing masks, sitting in a room together for hours - it makes no sense.

mloc123

Jimson wrote: »

It's the schools with most students been asytomatic. The numbers only started ramping up when the schools reopened.

When we were at 50 cases a day house parties were rampant all over the country.

Even with cases in schools there not shutting them down.

Its a disgrace.

And yet the 18-24 year age group has an infection rate about 3 times the overall average. The same age group that socialise the most..

Graces7

igCorcaigh wrote: »

I think the whole retail thing is a bit silly.
Cases fell over summer with retail open, along with SD and masks.

Socialising and hospitality seem to be the problems.

Any close contact/ nearness in any enclosed space is a danger. Cases were down in summer as folk were outside more than in enclosed spaces.

normanoffside

GazzaL wrote: »

Dead right too. People need to get on with things.

Problem is, I'm sure the curtain twitchers will have videos up on twitter and Facebook soon and the hysterical Karen's will scream and post enough angry faces to force them to close.

suicide_circus

mloc123 wrote: »

And yet the 18-24 year age group has an infection rate about 3 times the overall average. The same age group that socialise the most..

It is in this groups nature to socialise and ahem "interfere" with each other. It's like trying to tell the tide not to come in.

Str8outtaWuhan

mloc123 wrote: »

And yet the 18-24 year age group has an infection rate about 3 times the overall average. The same age group that socialise the most..

A large chunk of those are still in secondary school add 13 years of primary/secondary plus additional TY and you would wonder how many are in 6th yr that are 18 or even 19.

MerlinSouthDub

igCorcaigh wrote: »

I'm not with the schools argument yet. I think adult socialising had a much bigger effect based on the age groups affected.

That is what the data says, alright. Some seem to want to stick with their anti-school agenda though.

igCorcaigh

Jimson wrote: »

It's the schools with most students been asytomatic. The numbers only started ramping up when the schools reopened.

When we were at 50 cases a day house parties were rampant all over the country.

Even with cases in schools there not shutting them down.

Its a disgrace.

Yeah, I'm open to the idea that school cases were hidden from that age heap map due to asymptomatic cases.

It's really hard to know just purely from data.

There is a big importance on schools being kept open. Which is understandable.

zerosugarbuzz

Is there a protest taking place in Dublin today...... asking for a friend....

suicide_circus

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

That is what the data says, alright. Some seem to want to stick with their anti-school agenda though.

I'm not anti school and think they should stay open. I also think it would be a miracle that defies all logic to think that there are not lots of transmissions happening in schools.

mloc123

Str8outtaWuhan wrote: »

A large chunk of those are still in secondary school add 13 years of primary/secondary plus additional TY and you would wonder how many are in 6th yr that are 18 or even 19.

How many 19 year olds are in secondary school... Jesus, unless they are very very slow... I would saw almost zero.

BringBackMick

very quiet Saturday all told.

mloc123

suicide_circus wrote: »

It is in this groups nature to socialise and ahem "interfere" with each other. It's like trying to tell the tide not to come in.

I know, and they are mostly not impacted if they get the virus... But, people saying socialising isn't contributing to the growth... The data shows it is one of the main sources (I am not saying it is the only source)

suicide_circus

mloc123 wrote: »

I know, and they are mostly not impacted if they get the virus... But, people saying socialising isn't contributing to the growth... The data shows it is one of the main sources (I am not saying it is the only source)

Ah of course its causing lots of transmissions but short of locking them up there's not much gonna stop them

MerlinSouthDub

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Yeah, I'm open to the idea that school cases were hidden from that age heap map due to asymptomatic cases.

It's really hard to know just purely from data.

There is a big importance on schools being kept open. Which is understandable.

The idea that there is large asymptomatic spread amongst children has been thoroughly debunked by the ONS unbiased random sample data in the UK. That shows the same picture - lower rates of infection in children than adults, and massively lower than young adults.

mloc123

On the high rate of infection in the 18-24 age group, people have also put forward the theory it is not due to house parties etc.. but instead that this age group make up a big percentage of the workforce in retail and hospitality.

If that was true, closing retail and hospitality should also help reduce those levels.

mloc123

suicide_circus wrote: »

Ah of course its causing lots of transmissions but short of locking them up there's not much gonna stop them

Yup, you can be 100% they are not sitting at home watching Tony trying to scare us all twice a week at the briefings.

majcos

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Yeah, I'm open to the idea that school cases were hidden from that age heap map due to asymptomatic cases.

It's really hard to know just purely from data.

There is a big importance on schools being kept open. Which is understandable.

The low positivity rate in school age groups suggests that percentage of asymptomatic cases being missed is low. It is lower than positivity rate in the rest of community.

If positivity rate was higher than community, then that would suggest missing asymptomatic cases.

SPDUB

MarkY91 wrote: »

Can someone explain why a comic book shop on mary street, Dublin is allowed to open but not a clothes shop?

How are comic books essential?

To be honest why is a shop that sells newspapers allowed to open but if it also sells magazines it can sell the newspapers but not the magazines

Stheno

mloc123 wrote: »

On the high rate of infection in the 18-24 age group, people have also put forward the theory it is not due to house parties etc.. but instead that this age group make up a big percentage of the workforce in retail and hospitality.

If that was true, closing retail and hospitality should also help reduce those levels.

If that were the case the high positivity rate in that age group through working in retail would have been seen earlier

Polar101

Sorry if this was already posted multiple times (if it was just once, then I'm not sorry), but I was just browsing https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/pages/hospitals-icu--testing

312 in hospital now
last 24 hours - 30 admissions, 36 discharges

37 in ICU
last 24 hours - 2 admissions, 1 discharge

mloc123

Stheno wrote: »

If that were the case the high positivity rate in that age group through working in retail would have been seen earlier

Not saying I believe it. It is an argument I have seen made... "It isn't because that age group don't care and are partying... It is because they are forced to work in customer facing jobs"

caveat emptor

Each green bar is a day on here where people freaked out.
Each red bar is a day where people on here said "we've turned the corner"

All the while the 5% exponential marched on regardless of your glass half filled / glass half empty outlook.

I'd hope level 5 will do something to change this.