EVs are worse for the environment (and other EV related myths)

ted1 · 21-12-2022 1:35am

There you go focusing on a snapshot.

here is one from today 67% RES and 8% Coal.

we’ve about 300 MWh of batteries coming online this month in Dublin and about 250 MW of PV. This will boost the RES on days there’s no wind

Are you sure we’ve moved to Columbia?

the next ship in to moneypoint is the : ZELLA OLDENDORFF which is coming from Newcastle Coalport in Australia..

waterwelly · 21-12-2022 2:00am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120020445#Comment_120020445

That snapshot, or similar, has been posted already. I'm not disputing it, you however want to bury your head in the sand when your EV is powered from our dirty little blood mine that you didn't even know about until I told you.

On the days last week when we needed power, our renewables chumped in a stellar 9%.

What will renewables deliver next winter with our batteries?

In a severe winter will the batteries hold 3 months reserves like our dirty little blood mine holds down in Clare?

Akrasia · 21-12-2022 2:17am

Aaah.

I'm Just gonna stand over here....

Strumms · 21-12-2022 3:06am

If our governments were in any way serious about the environment they’d have taken steps to provide proper far reaching green public transport infrastructure… we’ve had Green Party politicians in government in around 7 of the last 20 years. Plenty of lip service to the ideals but have delivered precious little to nothing apart from bleat on about bicycles in a country where it rains between 150-200 days a year. An island nation not exactly adverse to high winds and shabbily designed road infrastructure also.

Dublin is the only Irish city in the entire country with a tram / light rail system…and for a city it’s size, only 2 lines which hardly scratches the surface of commuter needs.

So we need not more EVs, non EVs on our already crowded roads, we need firstly fúcking public transportation that is fit for purpose, environmentally friendly, … fit for the population it’s required to serve…. Trams, metros etc… not all just for Dublin’s population although that needs to be a priority.

ted1 · 21-12-2022 7:30am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120020467#Comment_120020467

https://www.seai.ie/publications/Energy-in-Ireland-2022.pdf

page 132: coal accounted for only 9% of electricity generation usage for 12 months , stop letting on its the primary source.

which is ironically the number you’re quoting for renewables last week and saying it’s insignificant

renewables was 36%, 4 times that of coal.

MightyMunster · 21-12-2022 7:55am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120020504#Comment_120020504

Dublin has less rain and less rainy days than Amsterdam, so is perfectly ok for cycling.

Spending on active travel and public transport has never been higher. It's just started 30 years too late.

waterwelly · 21-12-2022 10:05am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120020546#Comment_120020546

Once again I don't dispute any of that.

But people are on about transitioning to renewables as if we are almost there.

Yet on the bad days our wind can produce just 9%, after how many years transitioning?

ted1 · 21-12-2022 10:10am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120020777#Comment_120020777

36% of electricity isn’t a bad place.

Lots of off shore in development aswell as Solar, aswell as green hydrogen.

that number should increase steadily over the coming years.

That number also means you are better off driving an BEV than an ICE

liamog · 21-12-2022 2:35pm

Mod Note: Any further claims that coal is a primary source on the Irish grid without a source showing it is the highest of any source will result in a thread ban

Killer K · 21-12-2022 4:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120021810#Comment_120021810

This seems very heavy handed. The poster in question is making reasonable arguments and there are enough counter arguments being made to provide balance and context. The poster isn't being in anyway abusive and boards is not an academic institution so not citing sources surely isn't an offence. Shutting down threads/ threatening to shut down threads/ banning people from threads does more damage to your cause than letting the debate move on. Perhaps you should step back from this thread as you are clearly over invested in it. Out of fairness, a player really shouldn't be refereeing a match they themselves are playing in.

ted1 · 21-12-2022 5:07pm

How is asking posters to keep to the truth heavy handed ?

they are not counter arguments, they are factual statements.

waterwelly · 21-12-2022 5:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120022345#Comment_120022345

What about the person accusing me of being some sort of OPEC representative, planted into this thread to promote oil industry propaganda?

Why is that allowed?

liamog · 21-12-2022 5:45pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120022367#Comment_120022367

You've repeated most of the anti EV propaganda and continously ignored as posters have easily proved you wrong including using your own posts to show the points are invalid.

When a point has been refuted you have gone on to repeat it on subsequent posts. This is not conducive to a useful discussion.

waterwelly · 21-12-2022 8:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120022460#Comment_120022460

Once again you shout down the discussion by ranting about anti EV propaganda.

Somebody on here made the claim a coal powered EV is 100% proven to be cleaner than an ICE.

Yet biofuel ICE vehicles blow this argument out of the water.

...Ghost... · 21-12-2022 9:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120022928#Comment_120022928

With all due respect, you've been talking sh!te and selling lies. Jumping from Dublin to Clare and Global emissions yada yada yada. You snapshot probably the worst RES day on the grid and use that to push your view while disingenuously saying you don't dispute what others have been saying on here. It is hard to dispute hard data I suppose, which is thankfully readily available for us all to see. When a full year snapshot was provided and flushed half of what you'd been saying down the toilet, you downplayed it and lied about what others had been saying.

I know what it's like being a minority view in a forum, so I make an extra effort to accommodate opposing views when one visits a forum I fit with. On this occasion, i'm calling your contributions out as agenda driven BS, or trolling. Either way, I won't be engaging with anymore of your posts.

waterwelly · 21-12-2022 9:43pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120023226#Comment_120023226

Classic.

Doesn't like the notion that a biofuel ICE might be cleaner than a coal EV so goes on a rant and throws the toys out of the pram.

mr chips · 21-12-2022 11:32pm

I spent quite a bit of time in the early 00s volunteering in a pilot plant which had been established to make biodiesel out of waste used cooking oil. At the time, it was a great way of turning what was then classified as toxic waste into a renewable fuel, and between a few different cars I managed to cover some 200000 miles on the stuff. All road-legal, duty paid etc and still about 15% cheaper than filling up with mineral diesel.

However, after the introduction of an EU directive mandating a minimum percentage of renewable content in (initially) all diesel fuel sold at the pump, vegetable oil - even the used stuff from restaurants, takeaways etc - became a commodity, for which a new market had been created and which was subject to a commensurate price rise. Long story short, this sudden jump in demand far exceeded the amount of waste cooking oil available, giving rise to an unprecedented hike in commercial demand for "renewable" sources of oil. This very quickly resulted in vast swathes of virgin rainforest in Asia and South America being wiped out within a few years in order to plant out tens of thousands of acres of palm so as to supply this newly-created market.

So no, biofuel is not cleaner even than a hypothetical "coal-powered" EV.

liamog · 21-12-2022 11:41pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120022928#Comment_120022928

If you had moved the discussion on to comparisons of biofuelled combustion vs BEV I would have given you some leeway.

However instead you continued to make false claims about coal power being the primary source on the Irish grid powering EVs.

If you can show how a biofuelled combustion vehicle is cleaner during use than an EV running from last years grid mix then go ahead otherwise I agree with @...Ghost... that you are here simply to troll instead of have a good faith discussion.

JohnC. · 22-12-2022 8:05am

Biofuels are not an answer. There are bad bad aspects to them, which would only increase if we were to have a significant number of vehicles using them.

waterwelly · 24-04-2023 2:35pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120506626#Comment_120506626

Buying a new EV is extremely bad for the environment. Not buying one at all is what people would do if they actually cared about the environment.

RidleyJones · 24-04-2023 2:49pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120515306#Comment_120515306

I don't disagree with you, but then again people need to buy new cars and it is going to happen anywya

People should buy what they can afford and the best fuel for their requirements, in some instances that will be electric, others it will be diesel etc....

Building an entire transport system based on buying second hand cars doesn't work. Also scrapping very capable cars which happened in the past is not good either

josip · 24-04-2023 2:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120515306#Comment_120515306

What's your medium-long term plan, end up like Cuba if nobody ever buys a new car again?

Stevie2001 · 24-04-2023 3:01pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120514724#Comment_120514724

You just gonna ignore the 100% renewable part the public were sold? :)

Electricity firms in Ireland told to drop ‘false’ 100pc green power claims - Independent.ie

SuperBowserWorld · 24-04-2023 3:06pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120515306#Comment_120515306

Excuse me, I'm loving my electric car. Only cost half a mountain, several child slave labourers for those batteries and rare earth minerals, and a dead river for that lovely metallic finish. 😁😁😁

Edit ... Sent with my BuyPhone manufactured from similar destruction..

I'm loving it !

But really the major problem facing the world today is will I get a grant for that electric charging point. Ireland is at the forefront of consuming stuff to save the planet.

Is it nearly time to talk about Christmas yet ?

Edit 2, hope the prices of EVs come down. Not sure how much longer our old ICE car can hold out.

the_amazing_raisin · 24-04-2023 6:34pm

Well, looks like this thread has been taken over by the trolls and flat earthers, time to unfollow it

n.d.os · 24-04-2023 9:27pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120504379#Comment_120504379

Some people spend their money on cars. Others spend it on holidays, socialising and video games. You don't need to be someone "with money" to own an EV. Going on what I've seen you post before, you think new cars (particularly EVs are pointless).

I might be generalising things here a bit but a lot of people I know who own a new EV tend to be careful with their money. They watch and move around their bills, invest in long terms solutions to save money and use that extra cash every month on a nice car.

As I've said time and time again, new cars are expensive, not just new EVs. We've seen record inflation and a pandemic which hasn't helped the situation. Not buying new EVs might be a sensible sounding solution short term but what about in 20 years in your world where everyone is driving a 30 year old ****box with a broken catalytic converter? We need new cars to make the world go round. As old cars go, new ones come around and if my EV is anything to go by, a lot of it is made from recycled materials by a brand who plan to recycle their own car batteries in the future. That can only be a good thing? No?