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EVs are worse for the environment (and other EV related myths)

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    #332
    Mad_Lad
    Registered Users Posts: 429 ✭✭Mad_Lad


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121982356#Comment_121982356

    Ireland could suck up a lot of Co2 if we had any forest left, in fact , Ireland is the place to come to see the impacts of total deforestation , it should be a tourist attraction to see the damage of removing all your forest and the impact it has, we could do a lot more if we were concerned about Co2. It should be thought in schools and collages around the world about how we destroyed it all, could have replaced it and didn't. Sure there's little woods of crap spruce trees for industrial purposes but that's hardly an effort to restore natural forest.

    Anyway, interesting link about the geothermal reserves of lithium, it does appear to be a step in the right direction to make electric cars actually green lol.



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    #333
    Slutmonkey57b
    Registered Users Posts: 5,554 ✭✭✭Slutmonkey57b


    For me there were always two simple questions to the EV question, because I'm a nerd.

    1. Why are people waffling on about running out of fossil fuels and the environmental harms, when an ev battery requires tons of lithium and rare earths? Do people know what a lithium mine looks like? Do they care? (No because the people working there are in the third world and they don't count).
    2. What happens when your battery pack reaches its fixed EOL point? (You have a massive bill and have doubled the environmental harm of your eco friendly choice).

    I think the answer to #2 and to a lesser extent #1 are part of some of the change in attitude towards EVs. If you want to get political changing to ev from fossil fuel just shifts the balance of power from the middle east to China which is hardly an improvement.



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    #334
    Flinty997
    Registered Users Posts: 11,544 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121996048#Comment_121996048

    Same as all the tech you use in ICE and Mobiles and Phones is mined. Its only improving. Oil isn't.

    Mostly they don't have a EOL. But they can be repaired recycled.

    You realise most of the metal in you ICE and other devices is already coming from China. Has done for decades.



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    #335
    sh81722
    Registered Users Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭sh81722


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121996048#Comment_121996048
    1. Tons of lithium is in reality some tens of kilograms per battery. Which rare earths are required in the battery? As far as I know there are none.
    2. Reusing the metals in the old battery is much cheaper than mining new metals.



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    #336
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,053 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Also, people seem to think "rare earth" means a very rare (i.e small total amount) mineral. In fact many of them are extremely plentiful and it's the high cost of extracting them that makes them rare.



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    #337
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,466 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121996048#Comment_121996048

    With all due respect, if you consider yourself a nerd, you need to educate yourself more on the materials in use in EV, ICE, laptops, phones etc etc



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    #338
    ...Ghost...
    Registered Users Posts: 3,273 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121996048#Comment_121996048

    When a question is a statement, it's not a question. Don't put a question mark on a statement and call it a question. A nerd would know this.«mod snip»

    Post edited by liamog on

    Stay Free



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    #339
    Mad_Lad
    Registered Users Posts: 429 ✭✭Mad_Lad


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121996048#Comment_121996048

    Now ask the question whether we should allow mining for cobalt and lithium in Ireland and you'll quickly get shut down here on boards, there's lithium, lots of it on the Carlow Wicklow border but local opposition has meant licences can not allow mining at this time, same with cobalt. The hypocrisy on boards here is astounding.

    Sure we can have all this provided we don't destroy out land or our water supplies. Same as we can criticise Brazil for deforestation when out own forest has been depleted hundreds of years ago, absolutely boggles the mind. If we were to replant our "natural" forest in Ireland we'd probably have the effect of removing hundreds of thousands of ICE cars and vans off our roads.

    Snowdonia in Wales has more trees than all of Ireland. We should be ashamed of ourselves !



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    #340
    liamog
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 7,797 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122003641#Comment_122003641

    There are no current State mining licences or leases for lithium mining, nor have any applications for a State mining licences or leases been submitted to the Department of Energy.

    No licenses have been applied for yet, only prospecting licenses which haven't found commercially exploitable deposits.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/environment/2024/02/26/minister-rejects-criticism-for-issuing-prospecting-licences-for-lithium/



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