Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

11521323

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

They've extended that date for new pup joiners though.

Only to July 5th which is laughably before their "plan to have a plan" date. So if your employer goes bust after the 6th as a result of todays decision are you on your own?

Think so which gives me quiet hopefulness that the Government will let their balls drop soon enough. NPHET will always be cautious, that's their mandate, but every decision to prolong this ****e costs more money which they haven't got and they know it.

Dr. Bre

Thankfully the money will run out and this will end

hynesie08

b0nk1e wrote: »

Outdoor hospitality has been a success.

What happened next?

They passed legislation so it became legal.

nonsheep7

Could it be that we are some kind of 'test' for people control in Europe ,the world even ,see how it works out ?? An island nation, a handy sized population , can we get them all to eventually take the vaccine through threats of not being able to go anywhere or am I a conspiracy theorist ??

namloc1980

b0nk1e wrote: »

Outdoor hospitality has been a success.

What happened next?

Indoor hospitality has been a success in hotels.

PTH2009

hynesie08 wrote: »

They passed legislation so it became legal.

Hynesie08 even yourself must be outraged at this point

hynesie08

PTH2009 wrote: »

Hynesie08 even yourself must be outraged at this point

When you expect nothing you're never disappointed.....

stargazer 68

namloc1980 wrote: »

Indoor hospitality has been a success in hotels.

Absolutely crazy. Pubs and restaurant can't open with 40/50 people but if it was in a hotel they could have 200+ in it!!

Richard Hillman

km79 wrote: »

Attendance at Wembley increased today to 45k
60k next week
There must not be any of THE VARIANT in the UK

They'll have 90million cases by the end of the week according to NPHET models

JP Liz V1

brickster69 wrote: »

Honestly, how is it possible for hotels to serve meals indoors and restaurants can't ? An Irish guy who owns one is on Sky news now and he is totally shell shocked poor guy, he does not have a clue what is going on.

Yes it is mind boggling, can understand the frustration and anger of restaurants and publicans

M_Murphy57

Richard Hillman wrote: »

They'll have 90million cases by the end of the week according to NPHET models

And 75 million deaths.

gozunda

11521323 wrote: »

Can anyone please explain what exactly is driving them to fear a more transmissible variant when we have the vulnerable vaccinated?

Will there not always be the risk of a variant? Will we always be introducing these draconian measures to try and mitigate something that might not ever have a meaningful effect?

What the actual **** is wrong with people that they're accepting of this bollocks?

We don't.

Currently, 41% of the population are fully vaccinated against Covid-19 and the variants, while 65% have had just one dose of vaccine including many of those in the 60 - 69 age group.

And its variants of concern - not all variants which are deemed to be a risk.

Those who are unvaccinated or just had one dose are now known to be at most at risk from the new Covid delta variant

Delta (identified as a 'variant of concern') is around 60% more transmissible than the Alpha variant which gave us more than 1,000 deaths and 100,000 cases in on month this year.

Current data shows one dose of any vaccine only affords 33pc protection from symptomatic infection from Delta putting extra emphasis on the need to full vaccination across the boards.

jakiah

gozunda wrote: »

We don't.

Currently, 41% of the population are fully vaccinated against Covid-19 and the variants, while 65% have had just one dose of vaccine.

And its variants of concern - not all variants which are deemed to be a risk.

Those who are unvaccinated or just had one dose are now known to be at most at risk from the new Covid delta variant

Delta (identified as a 'variant of concern') is around 60% more transmissible than the Alpha variant which gave us more than 1,000 deaths and 100,000 cases in on month this year.

Current data shows one dose of any vaccine only affords 33pc protection from symptomatic infection from Delta putting extra emphasis on the need to full vaccination across the boards.

The vaccine isnt worth a bollox so

stargazer 68

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

And 75 million deaths.

Wimbledon fairly full too. Them Brits are taking their lives into their hands even leaving the house. Maybe Tony should go and help Boris!

Patser

What I can't understand is how blindsided the Govt seems by all this? The NPHET advice last night seems to have caught everyone out, leading to today's confused scramble.

I mean, MM has set today as the day he was going to make announcement about July. You think he'd be asking his advisor panel for at least an idea of where things were at. Its unlikely NPHET just got their modeling results late yesterday and went Oh dear look... So why was Martin, Varadkar etc so unprepared?

lawred2

stargazer 68 wrote: »

Wimbledon fairly full too. Them Brits are taking their lives into their hands even leaving the house. Maybe Tony should go and help Boris!

They must not care about saving lives

gozunda

jakiah wrote: »

The vaccine isnt worth a bollox so

Nope. Maximum protection for Delta requires two doses in 3 out if the 4 available vaccines. This is not new.

niallo27

gozunda wrote: »

We don't.

Currently, 41% of the population are fully vaccinated against Covid-19 and the variants, while 65% have had just one dose of vaccine including many of those in the 60 - 69 age group.

And its variants of concern - not all variants which are deemed to be a risk.

Those who are unvaccinated or just had one dose are now known to be at most at risk from the new Covid delta variant

Delta (identified as a 'variant of concern') is around 60% more transmissible than the Alpha variant which gave us more than 1,000 deaths and 100,000 cases in on month this year.

Current data shows one dose of any vaccine only affords 33pc protection from symptomatic infection from Delta putting extra emphasis on the need to full vaccination across the boards.

80% effective against hospitalization after one dose, why do you have to be told this over and over again. Yet you keep peddling the 33% figure.

stargazer 68

niallo27 wrote: »

80% effective against hospitalization after one dose, why do you have to be told this over and over again. Yet you keep peddling the 33% figure.

You don't even need to look at the user name once you read the post.

jakiah

gozunda wrote: »

Nope. Maximum protection for Delta requires two doses in 3 out if the 4 available vaccines. This is not new.

Sure. All we heard was when we vaccinate the vulnerable we could reopen. Not so. We are in a worse position now than last summer when we had no vaccine.

Its not worth a bollox. Either that or NPHETs modelling is wrong.

paconnors

Well if any pub or restaurant is doing indoor dining on the 5th I will definitely go in and show my support. What can they do if every pub and restaurant opens on the 5th in solidarity with each other. Where is there federations in all of this.

PTH2009

It's not to see things going backwards instead of forwards here

Case numbers and hospital number's will rise in July and NPHET will say back to level 5

Protests will do SFA

MOH

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

And 75 million deaths.

If it's based on Philip Nolan's projections it'd be more likely to be 75 million cases and 90 million deaths.

Gael23

Communions and conformations in July cancelled.

MM must have been invited to a wedding

I think finally it can be said that reality and policy have diverged amid groupthink in NPHET. What has been revealed about the modelling does not reflect the lived experience of the delta variant in a population with significant vaccine penetration as seen in the UK for the past couple of months

Whatsisname

niallo27 wrote: »

80% effective against hospitalization after one dose, why do you have to be told this over and over again. Yet you keep peddling the 33% figure.

The 33% figure is after 3 weeks too. Your body doesn’t just stop producing the required cells after 3 weeks. Thats why countries like the UK use 8-12 week intervals between doses.

Tenzor07

PTH2009 wrote: »

It's not to see things going backwards instead of forwards here

Case numbers and hospital number's will rise in July and NPHET will say back to level 5

Protests will do SFA

What a great country... 46 people in hospital *with Covid (did they catch it in hospital?)
16 people in ICU.. (how many had serious underlying conditions)

Millions of people not allowed to leave the country or have a beer indoors and are dependant on €350 a week PUP payments due to being denied the chance to earn a wage by this Government...


For how much longer will the Irish continue to bend over and be diktated to..?

Hellrazer

Patser wrote: »

What I can't understand is how blindsided the Govt seems by all this? The NPHET advice last night seems to have caught everyone out, leading to today's confused scramble.

Because I don't think they were expecting NPHET to be so negative when the last few weeks most of what nphet have said has been quite positive.

. Its unlikely NPHET just got their modeling results late yesterday and went Oh dear look... So why was Martin, Varadkar etc so unprepared?

To be honest I think nphet pulled these figures out of Tonys arse on Sunday night. Nphet were supposed to meet on Wednesday or Thursday with the government to make announcements on Friday - NPHET were put on the spot to meet earlier and these figures appeared out of no where - or at least without being verified. The figures they've released are ridiculous and in no way realistic - I really feel that NPHET did this based on unrealistic modelling and no where near the real figures coming from other countries.

gozunda

niallo27 wrote: »

80% effective against hospitalization after one dose, why do you have to be told this over and over again. Yet you keep peddling the 33% figure.

Simple because it is very relevant with regard to the comment in question. And that figure relates to All vaccines in relation to the Delta variant.

The figure for hospitalisation is a combined figure for the Alpha variant only - but equally I could ask why you only rely on that figure? As detailed it is recommended that everyone gets both doses ASAP to prevent getting sick enough to prevent hospitalisation in the first place due to the increased risk from the Delta variant.

Edited. Due to detail being taken out of context.

CruelSummer

blowitupref wrote: »

Communions and Confirmations that was planned for early July are off but weddings with guests of 50 people can proceed. Where is the logic in allowing one over the other?

Where is the confirmation of this besides a Leo Varadkar throwaway comment?