Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

FlubberJones

Red Silurian wrote: »

Yeah but weddings are up to 50
Sports matches are up to 500
No limit on vaccinated people meeting up indoors (in their own homes)

People are going on like we're all being imprisoned

500 at a sporting match... I'll try to contain myself.... Assuming you have been to a sporting match in a stadium previously... 500 is **** ALL

normanoffside

Move aside Delta, there's a new variant in town.
This should keep everything closed until Christmas.

https://twitter.com/honorverity/status/1409838787937640452

RobitTV

Lambda sounds like a nightclub or a techno song title :pac:

namloc1980

normanoffside wrote: »

Move aside Delta, there's a new variant in town.
This should keep everything closed until Christmas.

https://twitter.com/honorverity/status/1409838787937640452

Champagne corks popping in NPHET HQ.

Fils

namloc1980 wrote: »

Champagne corks popping in NPHET HQ.

New salary rise for Tony and Paul Reid.

https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1409887367197081602

namloc1980

Red Silurian wrote: »

Yeah but weddings are up to 50
Sports matches are up to 500
No limit on vaccinated people meeting up indoors (in their own homes)

People are going on like we're all being imprisoned

Where the capacity is minimum 5k. So that's 500 people in 83,000 capacity Croke Park. Sounds reasonable.

jakiah

namloc1980 wrote: »

Where the capacity is minimum 5k. So that's 500 people in 83,000 capacity Croke Park. Sounds reasonable.

Its actually a reduction on the trial events theyve been running, was at a game with 1000 last Friday.

Allinall

namloc1980 wrote: »

Where the capacity is minimum 5k. So that's 500 people in 83,000 capacity Croke Park. Sounds reasonable.

There will be 8,000 in Croke Park on Saturday.

ninebeanrows

Is it possible NPHET have forgot to factor vaccination into their model?

Can somebody ask them that?

facehugger99

Every working person in this country will have over €100k of national debt by the end of this year and that figure is climbing. As more businesses go bust the working population falls and the debt climbs.

Meanwhile there are more people in NPHET sucking on the public tit than there are people in hospital with Covid.

Wake up lads to what is bring done to this country.

the kelt

Allinall wrote: »

There will be 8,000 in Croke Park on Saturday.

Its been designated a trial event, if its allowed to go ahead at this stage.

As a rule its 500 i believe

jakiah

Allinall wrote: »

There will be 8,000 in Croke Park on Saturday.

And 500 at the next fixture.

bear1

Allinall wrote: »

There will be 8,000 in Croke Park on Saturday.

So not even 10%.. wow what an achievement.
It'll be so loud, you might just hear the traffic outside the stadium.

Fann Linn

Red Silurian wrote: »

Yeah but weddings are up to 50
Sports matches are up to 500
No limit on vaccinated people meeting up indoors (in their own homes)

People are going on like we're all being imprisoned

There's a match starting in less than an hour across the water.There will be slightly more than 500 there, plus there were a few more matches played elsewhere in Europe over the past few days with similar numbers.
Someone is doing something wrong.

Stheno

ninebeanrows wrote: »

Is it possible NPHET have forgot to factor vaccination into their model?

Can somebody ask them that?

They claimed in March they were including it but this tweet would infer they are not

https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1409885270049239048?s=19

namloc1980

Allinall wrote: »

There will be 8,000 in Croke Park on Saturday.

That's a test event, not the general rule, which is 500 max.

hynesie08

the kelt wrote: »

Its been designated a trial event, if its allowed to go ahead at this stage.

As a rule its 500 i believe

And if the trial events are a success, what do you think happens next?

bear1

normanoffside wrote: »

Move aside Delta, there's a new variant in town.
This should keep everything closed until Christmas.

https://twitter.com/honorverity/status/1409838787937640452

Sounds like a ****in car part.

namloc1980

hynesie08 wrote: »

And if the trial events are a success, what do you think happens next?

Who knows. We've no roadmap other than "we plan to have a plan for the 19th July". There is no other planned date for outdoor activity beyond the 5th July and we got no clarity today.

the kelt

hynesie08 wrote: »

And if the trial events are a success, what do you think happens next?

They open up the country and let everyone get on with their lives id imagine!!

Sure vaccinations are flying and all key indicators are way down.

BillyBiggs

Did the government con people into getting the vaccine, by tricking them into thinking the hospitality sector would reopen fully as a result of being honourable citizens?

bear1

Anyone else wondering at what stage our gods will remove the need for masks?

jakiah

hynesie08 wrote: »

And if the trial events are a success, what do you think happens next?

The LOI trials were a success, they have increased allowed attendance by 100 people.

One hundred.

shockframe

normanoffside wrote: »

Move aside Delta, there's a new variant in town.
This should keep everything closed until Christmas.

https://twitter.com/honorverity/status/1409838787937640452

That's the Forbidden Dance!

darconio

darconio wrote: »

They already have the story of the new strain up their sleeve, and several others ready to be brought up at the right moment.

They started something diabolical, if they stop it it will be like admitting that it was all out of proportion.
The vaccine is effective, but not so effective so hold your horses until we say so, and until we shift the goalpost.
Restrictions are here to stay but we will be at a stage than even a small allowance will be greeted like a victory. We will get a 2 hour slot in a pub and that will be the highlight of the night, travelling only if essential, mandatory vaccination, but covid-19 is the new antichrist and must be defeated at the expenses of our existence.
Who will be able to draw the line when we hit the next flu-season? who will be capable of separating the people dying from influenza or cardiovascular/respiratory disease from the people dying with covid? They implanted the fear of dying in the population anything resembling this virus will be treated like the plague.

Quoting this from last december just because I knew, along with several other posters, that this was going to happen.
Of course the above post encountered several smily faces/accusation of hysteria from the usual cohort.
It's not too late, we need to let them know what a shower of clowns they are, it's time to act now.

NaFirinne

bear1 wrote: »

Anyone else wondering at what stage our gods will remove the need for masks?

Depends they might say that the vaccinated can remove masks...Although then along comes some variant and all will be back wearing masks vaccine or not.


who knows, some people might like there seat of power too much to allow it all to just filter back to normal.

HerrKapitan

BillyBiggs wrote: »

Did the government con people into getting the vaccine, by tricking them into thinking the hospitality sector would reopen fully as a result of being honourable citizens?

They only announced this today. Vaccines have been available for quite a while? Why would they announce it before the most popular pub going cohort haven't had a chance to register.

Ballynally

Red Silurian wrote: »

What's wrong with that headline? NPHET did actually say that they're only reporting the facts just like every other news outlet did

They are just reporting THE facts like they are reporting THE science.
They are as innocent as white snow for the true believers.

I have had some other thoughts:
Previously i have presented the jeweller's tactic. Give the customer 3 options in which the cheapest and dearest wont be chosen and the middle one wins.
I can see a possible tactic used by NPHET:
Present the cabinet with 5 models just before they need to make a decision.
Strip away the most negative and positive one and you have 3 left which walk the 'reasonable' middle ground. Leak the most negative one to the media and pull the most positive one into question as being of a lesser chance than the middle three. Now the cabinet made a 'reasonable' choice while the internet lambasts the most negative model.
This whole thing really depends on how the various models reflect reality.
The cabinet depends on NPHET to present the various reality scenarios.
It has accepted the idea that NPHET are the experts after not taking their advice around Xmas and the spike in cases that followed. They no longer seem to question the data at all. As far as i can see they use other countries data if it suits NPHET'S narrative and disgard it if it doesnt.
So, if other countries have stricter rules we need to follow. If they have lesser strict rules we have to do what's best for the irish people.
I remember some talk about alignment w Northern Ireland. They have both less restrictions and higher cases p 100.000 and are now looking to start live music indoors after opening pubs and restaurants.But Ireland couldnt possibly follow that because we hold on to a form of doomsday modelling, separate from anyone else's.
I think more and more people are copping on now and NPHET mightve overplayed their hand. TH got cocky and the cabinet is in trouble.

Ellie2008

It’s exhausting. My heart goes out to all those affected by this decision. I hope even those who agree with it can concede it was poorly executed.