Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

KanyeSouthEast

Matt Cooper having a pop at NPHET, asking where did they get their numbers from, hwo accurate is the NPHET modelling, why we're not opening up while others are, is there proof the delta variant is more dangerous as others. He's reading out people's complaints about the restrictions.

Matt Cooper is calling out NPHET and the government to give answers to these questions.

Matt Cooper. If that doesn't say something about what's going on, then I don't know what does.

SEPT 23 1989

Sure if its October you have to start thinking about Christmas

eskimohunt

eskimohunt wrote: »

500,000 people should march, peacefully of course, on Leinster House this weekend.

If young people took the action they took for a young girl in a high profile rape case some time back, we'd see action..it's a question of priorities now and the youth have given everything to be left standing in the cold..

landofthetree

RobitTV wrote: »

Look at the current bar and restaurant restrictions in Majorca - good place to go on holiday.

I was in Dublin on Saturday night. Everything closed early, the last bus was full and social distancing wasn't great.

Of course we couldn't let pubs serve till later and put on a load of late buses.

M_Murphy57

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Sure if its October you have to start thinking about Christmas

Better shut down now for a meaningful Xmas. Better to be closed for eternity than ever open if there is a chance you might ever close. Better to earn nothing than something. Better to be homeless and financially destroyed than working and housed etc etc

Sofa King Great

ninebeanrows wrote: »

You'd need some respectable politicians or figures in Irish society to lead it and I would be there but if the usual EIRIGI types and the likes, it's a no.

This unfortunately sums up my major reluctance in attending any protest. I dont want to end up at something that is hijacked by either eirigi or some sort of anti vax conspiracy nutters

km79

Attendance at Wembley increased today to 45k
60k next week
There must not be any of THE VARIANT in the UK

TomTomTim

Sofa King Great wrote: »

This unfortunately sums up my major reluctance in attending any protest. I dont want to end up at something that is hijacked by either eirigi or some sort of anti vax conspiracy nutters

People with views like this simply care more about social appearance than justice, which is a good part of the reason we've gotten into this mess.

retro:electro

Nearly 700,000 cases between July and September if we open indoor dining. Those figures are actually laughable. Depressing that people are still listening to this shlt

Quags

Sofa King Great wrote: »

This unfortunately sums up my major reluctance in attending any protest. I dont want to end up at something that is hijacked by either eirigi or some sort of anti vax conspiracy nutters

Sums up the country, Your going to get idiots at these things but if you get thousands who protest peacefully then it sends a message to the cowboys. your fear of being associated with "what might happen" should not interfere with what you feel is correct along many others

growleaves

Elessar wrote: »

From the Independent:



There you have it folks. September/October are being touted. And if the "enforceable system of verification" doesn't work, you're not getting indoor dining at all this year. And maybe next.

In fairness Martin and Varadkar already alluded to that last winter.

The difficulty is that people underestimate the significance of their statements.

Politicians, for the most part, don't lie. They don't want to think of themselves as liars or be accused of lying. So they tell the truth and hope people don't notice.

"The truth is invariably bitter" - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

They never said that mass vaccination would lead to lifting restrictions. At best they said 'might', 'maybe', 'perhaps', 'hopefully'. This is not cautious leadership, contrary to what people say - it is a commitment to keep restrictions.

What we need is a belated reversal of the seven days from March 16th to March 23rd, 2020. There was a collective dive into lockdown but there hasn't been a collective attempt to get out.

People are waiting for technology (vaccines) to obviate the 'need' for lockdowns. But the 'need' for lockdowns came from the people themselves - from their trauma at watching Italians dying and their belief that politics and technology have a limitless capacity to manipulate existence towards what is desired.

namloc1980

45,000 people in Wembley for England-Germany. Meanwhile 500 max at any game in Irelandv at any stadium outside "pilot" events. Actually comical when you think about it.

gozunda

bear1 wrote: »

So 5k people have died since all this started.. but they believe almost 3k will die in 3 months? **** off.

Well no they don't "believe" "almost 3k will die in 3 months"

They presented two scenarios- the first a "worst case scenario" ie highly unlikely and a second "benign" scenario which deatail ICU and hospital rates over 3 months - which is not much different to what we have now.

As to the approx 5k who died since all this started. We do need to keep in mind that up to the December 2020 the number of deaths due to covid was just over 2000. And then in one month ie January 2021 - we experienced more than 1,000 additional deaths and 100,000 new cases.

And yes its sobbering to think that deaths here increased by 33% in a single month.

But no I'm not saying that will happen as given in the "worst case" scenario as per most "worst case" scenarios they are highly unlikely

Ballynally

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lawrencesummers

At what point in covid 19 does the effect of vaccines minimize the effects of the virus to the point that it’s on a par with the seasonal Flu?

With the number of cases and the level of inoculation we must be close if not past it.

Have we reached that point long ago? Or are we waiting for that point before we open up because it’s never been an issue before.

Ellie2008

gozunda wrote: »

Well no they don't "believe" "almost 3k will die in 3 months"

They presented two scenarios- the first a "worst case scenario" ie highly unlikely and a second "benign" scenario which deatail ICU and hospital rates over 3 months - which is not much different to what we have now.

As to the approx 5k who died since all this started. We do need to keep in mind that up to the December 2020 the number of deaths due to covid was just over 2000. And then in one month ie January 2021 - we experienced more than 1,000 additional deaths and 100,000 new cases.

And yes its sobbering to think that deaths here increased by 33% in a single month.

But no I'm not saying that will happen as given in the "worst case" scenario as per most "worst case" scenarios they are highly unlikely

January was in a word awful.

paw patrol

ninebeanrows wrote: »

You'd need some respectable politicians or figures in Irish society to lead it and I would be there but if the usual EIRIGI types and the likes, it's a no.

jaysis.
you would silence yourself - cos people you don't like would march too.
sounds like laziness to me and a perfect cover for slackivism

TomTomTim wrote: »

People with views like this simply care more about social appearance than justice, which is a good part of the reason we've gotten into this mess.

this!

_Kaiser_

BillyBiggs wrote: »

Did the government con people into getting the vaccine, by tricking them into thinking the hospitality sector would reopen fully as a result of being honourable citizens?

Whatever about older or actually vulnerable people for whom vaccination made sense, the younger population (who are at little to no risk from Covid in the main) bought in as a way back to normality.

Now we have already healthy people in their 40s fully vaccinated and still not allowed go for an (indoor) pint or meal, go to a proper gig or event, and still expected to wear masks "just in case" :rolleyes:

They can easily be forgiven for asking "what was the point?"

M_Murphy57

lawrencesummers wrote: »

At what point in covid 19 does the effect of vaccines minimize the effects of the virus to the point that it’s on a par with the seasonal Flu?

With the number of cases and the level of inoculation we must be close if not past it.

Have we reached that point long ago? Or are we waiting for that point before we open up because it’s never been an issue before.

Tony was asked this last night and he refused to answer.

If I refused to answer a question from my boss I'd get a p45 not the freedom of the city.

Sofa King Great

Quags wrote: »

Sums up the country, Your going to get idiots at these things but if you get thousands who protest peacefully then it sends a message to the cowboys. your fear of being associated with "what might happen" should not interfere with what you feel is correct along many others

"What always happens" rather than what might happen

km79

“ The letter accepts Nphet's modelling is "uncertain", saying this is due to questions over how much more transmissible the Delta variant is.

It says this is based on new suggestions from Europe that the Delta variant and the Alpha variant, which is the current dominant strain in Ireland, are not as transmissible as thought.

It has been confirmed today there has been no independent overview of the Nphet modelling, but Mr Martin said he does not envisage that happening. He said there was "a plethora of outside voices who will question policies, decisions and modelling".

Irish examiner

Coillte_Bhoy

Sofa King Great wrote: »

This unfortunately sums up my major reluctance in attending any protest. I dont want to end up at something that is hijacked by either eirigi or some sort of anti vax conspiracy nutters

Eirigi are not anti lockdown and are actually in favour of restrictions or at least they were

lawrencesummers

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

Tony was asked this last night and he refused to answer.

If I refused to answer a question from my boss I'd get a p45 not the freedom of the city.

Who asked him? Is it available to watch anywhere?
I stopped watching those pressers long time ago but I’m interested to see if NEPHET want to carve out a future for themselves around the flu going forward.

Sofa King Great

TomTomTim wrote: »

People with views like this simply care more about social appearance than justice, which is a good part of the reason we've gotten into this mess.

I dont want to find myself at an event where it is perceived that I am supporting some fringe republican group - you are correct.

is_that_so

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Who asked him? Is it available to watch anywhere?
I stopped watching those pressers long time ago but I’m interested to see if NEPHET want to carve out a future for themselves around the flu going forward.

When they are no longer needed for this Donnelly will dissolve it. Neither he nor the HSE will want them giving lectures on the flu season! October I'm hoping but they could make it through the winter.

11521323

Can anyone please explain what exactly is driving them to fear a more transmissible variant when we have the vulnerable vaccinated?

Will there not always be the risk of a variant? Will we always be introducing these draconian measures to try and mitigate something that might not ever have a meaningful effect?

What the actual **** is wrong with people that they're accepting of this bollocks?

BillyBiggs

It will be interesting to see when nightclubs and casinos reopen, it will probably be well into 2022. Casino and nightclub workers could be in for another 8 months of pandemic relief payments.

TomTomTim

Sofa King Great wrote: »

I dont want to find myself at an event where it is perceived that I am supporting some fringe republican group - you are correct.

Exactly. You've put more value on the care of your image, than the care of your nation and your rights. It's at least somewhat selfish, but you've the right to be selfish I suppose.

titan18

is_that_so wrote: »

When they are no longer needed for this Donnelly will dissolve it. Neither he nor the HSE will want them giving lectures on the flu season! October I'm hoping but they could make it through the winter.

Apt meme for this.

Oh my sweet summer child

hynesie08

hynesie08 wrote: »

And if the trial events are a success, what do you think happens next?

Outdoor hospitality has been a success.

What happened next?