Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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Beasty wrote: »

It looks like tensions in this thread have been rising

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Beasty wrote: »

Another reminder - this thread is about restrictions and their relaxation

General Covid discussion belongs in the current Covid thread (#XVII)

Political discussion belongs in Current Affairs or Politics

Necro wrote: »

Mod:

Mod actions can be discussed via PM if you like.

On thread is not permitted.

Keep it civil and on topic and you can discuss the restrictions or your opposition to them as much as you like

Stop bringing the cervical cancer discussion into this thread, if you want to discuss it, start a thread on it elsewhere on the site.

Necro wrote: »

Mod:


I'm not going to post another warning on this - stop bringing up the cervical cancer issues in this thread.

It's in the OP not to discuss the issue, if you want to discuss it, go to another forum and start a thread on it, it is not Covid related.

Threadbans will follow if people cannot follow this instruction

Discussion of vaccination and vaccination certs in the context of restrictions is on topic. Discussions of the efficacy of vaccines and impact on different cohorts in the community belongs in the vaccine megathread thread, not here

09/12/21
We get the fact some of you bare dissatisfied with the performance of the Chief Medical Officer, NEPHT, members of the Government and indeed some of the experts you may pay attention to on TV, radio or indeed the print media

We also get the fact that some of you like to let off steam in this and indeed other threads in the forum

However repeatedly stating your dislike/hatred of such people and abusing them here is not only irritating to posters who like to interact in a civil manner, but it's also highly offensive to the individuals in question. Can posters just refrain from resorting to such commentary as it not going to achieve anything beyond winding up (ie trolling) other users and attracting mod attention


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funnydoggy

NPHET are a shower of gowls and our government are worse for listening to them.

(Nothing new I just wanted to be first )

titan18

KrustyUCC wrote: »

No indoor hospitality this summer

Then we can't have indoor hospitality as it will threaten the opening of schools no doubt

Mad that we are more restricted in 2021 than 2020 when we had no vaccinations

Yup, anyone who thinks we'll get indoor hospitality any time soon without some mass protesting/disobedience is a fool.

RobitTV

It's sad that we are here on the new thread under even worse circumstances.

leahyl

Just cancelled my 2 bookings for indoor dining for next few weeks - I expect restaurants will be getting a lot of those emails today :-(

Dyr

I'm fully vaccinated so I suppose I'm in the clear, but this is one of the few times that I'm angry enough to take a hurl to this shower of tossers

namloc1980

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Just so it's clear - won't open on the 19th either per MM but we'll have a "plan". WE'VE HAD MONTHS FOR A PLAN!!

TomSweeney

Listening to Liveline now and even they are airing contrary views to this delaying of indoor hospitality.

Of course the host is **** over the virus and defending NPHET...

KrustyUCC

Speaking this afternoon Mr Martin said when a sector of the economy reopens the Government wants to “make sure it stays open”.

This crap again

Keep indoor hospitality closed so it doesn't have an opportunity to remain open

Keep it shut so they won't have to shut it down again

Brilliant logic as usual from the government

leahyl

Poor guy on Liveline now sounds so defeated

funnydoggy

I really hope there is a massive backlash to this, and not just online.

sydthebeat

putting this up for posterity

not a hope in hell will pubs or indoor dining be open before the august bank holiday weekend

Lucas Hood

THE GOVERNMENT HAS said that from 5 July, there will be “no limit” on visiting numbers for fully vaccinated people or those who recently recovered from Covid-19

How is it possible to police that? What's to stop someone just saying I had covid recently.

My own scenario, 2 parents, Older brother and sister all vaccinated, me 32 not vaccinated and haven't had covid so I wouldn't be able to attend a house party with them for instance? But if i got the virus I would how does that make sense.

Quags

Surely its time for mass protesting. People who are depending on the 5th for Mortgage Money, Money for family and whatever else have being let down again

How will this work for children who cannot be vaccinated?

normanoffside

Hopefully the first of many protests

https://twitter.com/PeterDooleyDUB/status/1409852569812361217

jimmycrackcorm

Dyr wrote: »

I'm fully vaccinated so I suppose I'm in the clear, but this is one of the few times that I'm angry enough to take a hurl to this shower of tossers

So it looks like we should get the HSE vaccination card laminated...
Is it now worth more than a twenty Euro note?

Responder XY

I'm very disappointed with the decision, but delighted to see that there is very little support for the Nphet/government position, finally we might be moving into a place where the population realises that we need to live with Covid. I hope it's not just that Boards is becoming an echo chamber.

namloc1980

sydthebeat wrote: »

putting this up for posterity

not a hope in hell will pubs or indoor dining be open before the august bank holiday weekend

The rest of the year is in doubt to be honest. When August rolls around the need to "protect the schools" will be new mantra. NPHET even mentioned that in their letter.

bloopy

No indoor dining without vaccine or proof of previous infection.
Covid parties about to become all the rage.

bear1

normanoffside wrote: »

Hopefully the first of many protests

https://twitter.com/PeterDooleyDUB/status/1409852569812361217

I hope that's the start.

francogarbanzo

namloc1980 wrote: »

The rest of the year is in doubt to be honest. When August rolls around the need to "protect the schools" will be new mantra. NPHET even mentioned that in their letter.

Maybe next year we'll be able to have a meaningful Easter?

Tacitus Kilgore

Responder XY wrote: »

I'm very disappointed with the decision, but delighted to see that there is very little support for the Nphet/government position, finally we might be moving into a place where the population realises that we need to live with Covid. I hope it's not just that Boards is becoming an echo chamber.

I have bad news for you if you're using these restriction threads as a metric...

MOR316

So does this mean gym goers can't use the gym unless they take a vaccine?

namloc1980

francogarbanzo wrote: »

Maybe next year we'll be able to have a meaningful Easter?

By then the Theta variant will be causing concern and NPHET will be projecting half a billion cases by the middle of May 2022.

BringBackMick

Is it possible the forgot to include the impact of vaccinations in their model output?

Hopefully someone is working on this now

NEPHET need to publish their model parameters

leahyl

Jesus the man on liveline set up a kitchen in his pub so he could open last year and now he can’t bring people in!!! This is just criminal.

namloc1980

MOR316 wrote: »

So does this mean gym goers can't use the gym unless they take a vaccine?

It means they can't use it at all until the 19th when we get to see the "plan". Other than that nobody knows wtf is going on.

Vicxas

So hang on, its now more beneficial to have had COVID than not.....

acequion

This is about control. This won't end. Egomaniacs like Holohan don't relinquish power and our Govt aren't fit for purpose with MM a joke of cartoon proportions. The level of tyranny and zealotry have been steadily growing since this time last year so it's really not remotely surprising that we are where we are and god only knows how much worse it will get before we ever see a shred of normality in this godforsaken country.

I'm just back from abroad. The difference in daily life between here and other countries is just incredible, it beggars belief. We have been brainwashed into hysteria, fear, over caution and as I said already, it won't end soon and it won't end easily. You really have to get out and come back to see it clearly. It's astounding and very frightening.

Hurrache

TomSweeney wrote: »

Listening to Liveline now a.....
Of course the host is **** over the virus and defending NPHET...

I'm unfortunate to hear the start of every Liveline due to The News at 1 proceeding it.

But I can with certainty say that statement is completely made up.

titan18

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

I have bad news for you if you're using these restriction threads as a metric...

Tbf, there were people pro restrictions who are now anti this stuff and that group is growing all the time (probably massively today). Anywhere online I'm seeing (here, Reddit, twitter etc) think this is sh1t today is ridiculous.

Thelonious Monk

I don't get it any more. Is our health system really that bad that we can't open like other countries? How bad is it? Or is it some weird anti alcohol puritan thing or what's going on?

SEPT 23 1989

leahyl wrote: »

Jesus the man on liveline set up a kitchen in his pub so he could open last year and now he can’t bring people in!!! This is just criminal.

ppor bloke sounded very close to the edge

landofthetree

leahyl wrote: »

Jesus the man on liveline set up a kitchen in his pub so he could open last year and now he can’t bring people in!!! This is just criminal.

Imagine the poor bastards who opened or bought a hospitality business in late 2019 or early 2020.

TomTomTim

titan18 wrote: »

Tbf, there were people pro restrictions who are now anti this stuff and that group is growing all the time (probably massively today). Anywhere online I'm seeing (here, Reddit, twitter etc) think this is sh1t today is ridiculous.

It doesn't even matter if there's supporters, because anyone who supports this is simply waving a flag of idiocy.

Hellrazer

normanoffside wrote: »

Hopefully the first of many protests

https://twitter.com/PeterDooleyDUB/status/1409852569812361217

Too small - there needs to be hundreds of thousands to get anywhere.

namloc1980

landofthetree wrote: »

Imagine the poor bastards who opened or bought a hospitality business in late 2019 or early 2020.

And all the pubs/restaurants etc who got stock in over the last week. Shameful.

Nicetrustedcup

I really don’t get this,

Last week was in hotel in Dublin I mean the hotel was full everyone eatting inside and drinking inside no issues at all,

But I can’t go to the restaurant next to it and eat inside, so it’s ok for me to eat in a room with 120 people in a hotel but not in a restaurant,

Then we have vacation checks I am sorry to tell you no restaurant is going to check this and I fell sorry for the staff who will need to ask for your vac card,

This country I really don’t get it, I just won’t to be able to get my stupid vac so I can travel in Aug but with Tony there ha not a hope in hell I am the evil person to even think about getting out of Ireland,

titan18

titan18 wrote: »

Tbf, there were people pro restrictions who are now anti this stuff and that group is growing all the time (probably massively today). Anywhere online I'm seeing (here, Reddit, twitter etc) think this is sh1t today is ridiculous.

I was vehemently pro restrictions but the science doesn't back NPHET's decision yesterday. Using worse case scenario as their baseline. Also, there is a clear anti-alcohol backing to their advice

leahyl

The question has still not been answered though - why are we still under these restrictions when 70% of the population has had at least one dose of the vaccine? We have been told for the last 16 months that our only way out of all this was a vaccine - we have 4 different vaccines!! And don’t anybody say “the delta variant” cos the vaccines are effective against that variant also. It’s just baffling; restaurants know what they need to do in terms of Covid guidelines for dining indoors, don’t treat them like children.

Fils

We just need to get everyone to hang tough for another few weeks. Nphet asks are small.

titan18

Even if they go with it, are restaurants even legally allowed ask you for your medical information and not serve you if you can't provide them?

Elessar

Varadkar has just come out and essentially said that indoor won't open until we reach herd immunity, and they don't know when that will be.

What an utter farce of a country and government. Absolutely the embarrassment of Europe.

Sadler Peak

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

So it looks like we should get the HSE vaccination card laminated...
Is it now worth more than a twenty Euro note?

I know 2 friends who have done just that.

RobitTV

Just been told from a local pub owner that around four pubs in my town will be opening up indoor dining without the need for vaccination certs. The owner even said he will open up indoor dining on the 5th of July. He claims nobody will even bother to check or care.

Good for him!

Beechwoodspark

People need to calm down a bit.

The politicians are taking the correct medical guidance and advice and factoring that into the opening up schedule. That’s how it should be and I wouldn’t want the politicians doing solo runs.

Hellrazer

Hellrazer wrote: »

Too small - there needs to be hundreds of thousands to get anywhere.

Too short notice. People from all over the country might want to attend and would possibly need a day or two to organize

But its a good start. lets all just hope that rent-a-mobs and trouble makers stay away.

Royale with Cheese

All hail the glorious leader

suicide_circus

A nation of ankle grabbers gets shafted.

bear1

So the government were given an optimist version as well and decided on the pessimistic version.
Is this a bad episode of the Simpsons?

God help that industry when it's pissing raining outside and not a soul to serve.