Anyone willing to admit they're already starting to relax restrictions?

Fitz*

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Are kids allowed play with kids from other households yet?

I'm starting to see this a bit more

Exercise in groups of 4 is allowed now.

iamwhoiam

cherryghost wrote: »

I see it everywhere. Most families do not care anymore.

I have still stayed within guidelines (begrudginly at this point), but one positive to come from all of this is the great sense of community in our area again.

I think most families have realised the the childrens mental health also needed addressing . Many kids were showing signs of loneliness , anxiety and withdrawal
Even children in war zones and refugee camps will automatically find others to play with and find solace in play

No one in Government as addressing the need for children to be playing and interacting and only focused on R and data and hospital beds etc
I think parents took it into their own hands and understood the needs of children .
Be it right or wrong it’s happening and it will continue so

silverharp

My kids have been meeting up for a couple of weeks now, mostly playing football or going swimming. They need to be out, they seem not to be going to each others houses

amadangomor

You'd wonder what the point of being good is when neighbour had extended family/friends of 20+ over the other day.

Plumbthedepths

Brought my wife to see her family yesterday, 70km away. Enough of this bull sh*t . Still sat outside and had a BBQ. To say the day cheered everyone up would be an understatement.

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amadangomor wrote: »

You'd wonder what the point of being good is when neighbour had extended family/friends of 20+ over the other day.

Yep. Struggling to work at home as can’t send kid to grandparents. Try explaining to four year old why she hasn’t seen her grandparents in 3 months, but four houses, two each side of us, have all the grandkids over every single day, not a bother on them.

suicide_circus

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Brought my wife to see her family yesterday, 70km away. Enough of this bull sh*t . Still sat outside and had a BBQ. To say the day cheered everyone up would be an understatement.

you're a monster

hmmm

Whatever about small family meet-ups, people throwing parties are just taking the piss.

We've no idea what this virus will do in the coming weeks and months, and it wasn't too unreasonable to ask people to take a bit of care - sadly too many people have a complete lack of self-responsibility. It's not just the people throwing the parties, it's anyone who turned up also.

Blaze420

hmmm wrote: »

Whatever about small family meet-ups, people throwing parties are just taking the piss.

We've no idea what this virus will do in the coming weeks and months, and it wasn't too unreasonable to ask people to take a bit of care - sadly too many people have a complete lack of self-responsibility. It's not just the people throwing the parties, it's anyone who turned up also.

Oh give over FFS, if everybody attending is in fine health and has been through the lockdown then what’s the issue?

TheDriver

hmmm wrote: »

We've no idea what this virus will do in the coming weeks and months, .

Herein lies the issue. The scaremongering for months now has people worn out. We were all scared to walk into a shop at the end of March in case the grim reaper pulled us to one side.
It's going to be hard to scare monger people going forward. And politicians know this.

hmmm

TheDriver wrote: »

Herein lies the issue. The scaremongering for months now has people worn out. We were all scared to walk into a shop at the end of March in case the grim reaper pulled us to one side.
It's going to be hard to scare monger people going forward. And politicians know this.

Just because you use the words "scare mongering" doesn't make it true.

This is still a virus which puts large numbers of people in hospital and ICU, is still circulating and hasn't gone away.

Blaze420

hmmm wrote: »

Just because you use the words "scare mongering" doesn't make it true.

This is still a virus which puts large numbers of people in hospital and ICU, is still circulating and hasn't gone away

Incorrect - as Dear Tony said 2 weeks ago the virus has been effectively eliminated from the general public.

Unless you are hanging around nursing or care homes or meat plants, your chance of catching it is almost nil at this point.

Sheep_shear

By and large, we've kept to the rules. My wife certainly has. The major breakage I had was with the one trip outside for exercise per day. I kept at about three longish walks per day. We don't live in a city, you'd never get within an asses roar of another person. I don't feel guilty in the slightest.

hmmm

Blaze420 wrote: »

Incorrect - as Dear Tony said 2 weeks ago the virus has been effectively eliminated from the general public.

Don't know where you are pulling that from. We still have unexplained community transmission which means the virus is still circulating. We still have cases tied to nursing homes and meat plants - do you think they are some sort of hermetically sealed bubbles, and the workers in there do not live in their homes, shop and socialise in their local communities?

Until we have actual scientific advice that this has gone away, I'm not going to take the word of anti-vaxxers, the far right and business interests that none of us should be concerned or modify our behaviours.

robbiezero

hmmm wrote: »

Don't know where you are pulling that from. We still have unexplained community transmission which means the virus is still circulating. We still have cases tied to nursing homes and meat plants - do you think they are some sort of hermetically sealed bubbles, and the workers in there do not live in their homes, shop and socialise in their local communities?

Until we have actual scientific advice that this has gone away, I'm not going to take the word of anti-vaxxers, the far right and business interests that none of us should be concerned or modify our behaviours.

How many unexplained cases per day are we getting?

Blaze420

hmmm wrote: »

Don't know where you are pulling that from. We still have unexplained community transmission which means the virus is still circulating. We still have cases tied to nursing homes and meat plants - do you think they are some sort of hermetically sealed bubbles, and the workers in there do not live in their homes, shop and socialise in their local communities?

Until we have actual scientific advice that this has gone away, I'm not going to take the word of anti-vaxxers, the far right and business interests that none of us should be concerned or modify our behaviours.

You do know “community transmission” is also used to refer to “communities” such as nursing homes yes? That might explain these unexplainable cases for you

hmmm

Blaze420 wrote: »

You do know “community transmission” is also used to refer to “communities” such as nursing homes yes? That might explain these unexplainable cases for you

Community transmission generally means unexplained transmission. Cases tied to particular locations such as nursing homes become "clusters".

Public health have said that the virus is "suppressed" i.e. low transmission, not "eliminated" which is a very important distinction.

Allied to which we have the complete incompetence of the Northern Irish and UK authorities which we share an open land border with.

no.8

Blaze420 wrote:

Oh give over FFS, if everybody attending is in fine health and has been through the lockdown then what’s the issue?

.... how do you know they are in fine health? Have you not learned anything about this virus?

Having said that, yes, i do find it increasingly tough to deal with being cut off from family and friends only 2+ hours by road away

Blaze420

hmmm wrote: »

Community transmission generally means unexplained transmission. Cases tied to particular locations such as nursing homes become "clusters".

Public health have said that the virus is "suppressed" i.e. low transmission, not "eliminated" which is a very important distinction.

Allied to which we have the complete incompetence of the Northern Irish and UK authorities which we share an open land border with.

Seasonal flu also has community transmission - we don’t seem to lock the whole country down each winter for that do we? It’s time to get real - if you are not in the high risk categories for this then you don’t really have anything to worry about, if you are then you need to take responsibility for your own safety. We are coming up to 3 months now - the economy will not survive much longer if we don’t start reintroducing some normality to the country.

Blaze420

no.8 wrote: »

.... how do you know they are in fine health? Have you not learned anything about this virus?

Having said that, yes, i do find it increasingly tough to deal with being cut off from family and friends only 2+ hours by road away

Well if you’ve all been shut in the house for the last 2 1/2 months - and nobody has been sick - and nobody is sick now - well use your brain to figure out the rest. Unless you are having a BBQ with nurses and frontline staff then you have about a 0.0001% chance of catching anything.

no.8

TheDriver wrote:

Herein lies the issue. The scaremongering for months now has people worn out. We were all scared to walk into a shop at the end of March in case the grim reaper pulled us to one side. It's going to be hard to scare monger people going forward. And politicians know this.

Scaremongering????
. Laughable.

What would have happened if we didn't do anything? We'd be f**ked, that's what. Hot dry weather and A&E's up the walls.
It wasn't scaremongering, it was a call to make a sacrifice. Vast majority did. The Selfish among us didnt (never would unless it directly affects them)

Pete_Cavan

TheDriver wrote: »

Herein lies the issue. The scaremongering for months now has people worn out. We were all scared to walk into a shop at the end of March in case the grim reaper pulled us to one side.
It's going to be hard to scare monger people going forward. And politicians know this.

Yip, the main reason for keeping restrictions seems to be the fabled second wave (which hasn't materialised elsewhere). If a second wave does hit, it will be more difficult to get people to comply again due to the prolonged restrictions now. Cutting people a bit of slack now would be beneficial going forward, particularly if there is a second wave.

hmmm

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Yip, the main reason for keeping restrictions seems to be the fabled second wave (which hasn't materialised elsewhere). If a second wave does hit, it will be more difficult to get people to comply again due to the prolonged restrictions now. Cutting people a bit of slack now would be beneficial going forward, particularly if there is a second wave.

What slack would you cut them (serious question) when the scientific and health advice the government is receiving is directly from our public health doctors?

If you were a politician and you are being told by public health to keep social distancing in place, keep 2 metres in place and keep people from congregating in large numbers, which of that advice would you stick your neck out to tell people to ignore? They'd be crucified in a future enquiry if deaths increased as a consequence.

no.8

Well done. Ok. Please. Let me use my brain.

So you're saying nobody in those x number of households have left the house in 2.5 months, none have been sick or are sick? Right. Your first point is pure rubbish. Didnt happen.
2nd and 3rd. Hopefully true. As youth likely know... you may wait up to 14 or more days to find out if thats the case.

Look Blaze (your temper suits that name). I'm happy you are better off mentally after meeting up. I want to have that too. Just don't agree with your assessment that there's no risk of getting the virus.

Pete_Cavan

hmmm wrote: »

Public health have said that the virus is "suppressed" i.e. low transmission, not "eliminated" which is a very important distinction.

Allied to which we have the complete incompetence of the Northern Irish and UK authorities which we share an open land border with.

The virus isn't just going to disappear so this focus on elimination is set an unattainable goal. As you alluded to, it can be brought back here from elsewhere even if it was completely eliminated here. The only way forward is adjusting to a way of life which includes virus control measures particularly social distancing. This is what most of Europe is doing now but we are still fretting about thinking we can eliminate the virus.

no.8

Ridiculous. Restrictions have been eased for what, a few weeks?
Already writing off a second wave?

Why, have we achieved herd immunity?
Are we all suddenly immune?
Did it just up and vanish?

The reality is the countries citizens (for the most part) did a great job in suppressing this virus. It may come back strong, maybe soon, maybe during the flu season. Absolutely foolish otherwise to think this is definitely going for good.

I'm longing for that freedom though. Think we all need a proper holiday

joseywhales

I have definitely personalized the restrictions. My red line is having extended conversation with someone inside a building, I get uncomfortable in the situation and I'm always rudely breaking off the contact. People in supermarkets having a chat with me for example or an elderly family member hoping that I come in the house. I feel terrible because it's often someone who probably needs a chat. Outside is ok I think, just stand apart and talk all day but then I have a 16 year old sister in law who started hugging, it's like herding cats.

DebDynamite

Blaze420 wrote: »

Incorrect - as Dear Tony said 2 weeks ago the virus has been effectively eliminated from the general public.

Unless you are hanging around nursing or care homes or meat plants, your chance of catching it is almost nil at this point.

I know that and you know that, however even if the numbers stay steady at where they are at now, there may be a delay in lifting restrictions. I want to get out of this as much as possible, but if the numbers were to remain stable and not drop (or even raise slightly), I wound rather it was because we opened up the country a bit more and tried to get the economy going, and not people having weekly house parties for 50 guests. That really is taking the piss

hmmm

Blaze420 wrote: »

if you are not in the high risk categories for this then you don’t really have anything to worry about, if you are then you need to take responsibility for your own safety.

This is simply not true. Just because you do not have some of the co-morbidities that make this virus more dangerous, does not mean you are immune and cannot become seriously sick.

TheDriver

hmmm wrote: »

What slack would you cut them (serious question) when the scientific and health advice the government is receiving is directly from our public health doctors?

If you were a politician and you are being told by public health to keep social distancing in place, keep 2 metres in place and keep people from congregating in large numbers, which of that advice would you stick your neck out to tell people to ignore? They'd be crucified in a future enquiry if deaths increased as a consequence.

unfortunately there is reality and personality coupled with all advisors and scientific advice. Its akin to the person who happily lets their child jump off cliffs into the sea vs the other extreme parent who won't let their child ever get wet. You can take the advice on dangers but you need to realistically interpret them and apply to what is achievable.
Wear gloves but wait gloves are bad
Masks are no use but wait, we should be wearing them
Don't close nursing homes but wait......that didn't work out too well.

etc etc. People need to stop asking Tony questions re schools, holidays etc. Because he can only say one thing and that's to lock us away like Rapunzel until it is safe. It's never going to be safe if we take that level of paranoia