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Anyone willing to admit they're already starting to relax restrictions?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,285 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    Are kids allowed play with kids from other households yet?

    I'm starting to see this a bit more

    Exercise in groups of 4 is allowed now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,161 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    I see it everywhere. Most families do not care anymore.

    I have still stayed within guidelines (begrudginly at this point), but one positive to come from all of this is the great sense of community in our area again.

    I think most families have realised the the childrens mental health also needed addressing . Many kids were showing signs of loneliness , anxiety and withdrawal
    Even children in war zones and refugee camps will automatically find others to play with and find solace in play

    No one in Government as addressing the need for children to be playing and interacting and only focused on R and data and hospital beds etc
    I think parents took it into their own hands and understood the needs of children .
    Be it right or wrong it’s happening and it will continue so


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    My kids have been meeting up for a couple of weeks now, mostly playing football or going swimming. They need to be out, they seem not to be going to each others houses

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    You'd wonder what the point of being good is when neighbour had extended family/friends of 20+ over the other day.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Brought my wife to see her family yesterday, 70km away. Enough of this bull sh*t . Still sat outside and had a BBQ. To say the day cheered everyone up would be an understatement.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    You'd wonder what the point of being good is when neighbour had extended family/friends of 20+ over the other day.

    Yep. Struggling to work at home as can’t send kid to grandparents. Try explaining to four year old why she hasn’t seen her grandparents in 3 months, but four houses, two each side of us, have all the grandkids over every single day, not a bother on them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Brought my wife to see her family yesterday, 70km away. Enough of this bull sh*t . Still sat outside and had a BBQ. To say the day cheered everyone up would be an understatement.
    you're a monster


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,205 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Whatever about small family meet-ups, people throwing parties are just taking the piss.

    We've no idea what this virus will do in the coming weeks and months, and it wasn't too unreasonable to ask people to take a bit of care - sadly too many people have a complete lack of self-responsibility. It's not just the people throwing the parties, it's anyone who turned up also.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭Blaze420


    hmmm wrote: »
    Whatever about small family meet-ups, people throwing parties are just taking the piss.

    We've no idea what this virus will do in the coming weeks and months, and it wasn't too unreasonable to ask people to take a bit of care - sadly too many people have a complete lack of self-responsibility. It's not just the people throwing the parties, it's anyone who turned up also.

    Oh give over FFS, if everybody attending is in fine health and has been through the lockdown then what’s the issue?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,651 ✭✭✭✭TheDriver


    hmmm wrote: »
    We've no idea what this virus will do in the coming weeks and months, .

    Herein lies the issue. The scaremongering for months now has people worn out. We were all scared to walk into a shop at the end of March in case the grim reaper pulled us to one side.
    It's going to be hard to scare monger people going forward. And politicians know this.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,205 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    TheDriver wrote: »
    Herein lies the issue. The scaremongering for months now has people worn out. We were all scared to walk into a shop at the end of March in case the grim reaper pulled us to one side.
    It's going to be hard to scare monger people going forward. And politicians know this.
    Just because you use the words "scare mongering" doesn't make it true.

    This is still a virus which puts large numbers of people in hospital and ICU, is still circulating and hasn't gone away.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭Blaze420


    hmmm wrote: »
    Just because you use the words "scare mongering" doesn't make it true.

    This is still a virus which puts large numbers of people in hospital and ICU, is still circulating and hasn't gone away

    Incorrect - as Dear Tony said 2 weeks ago the virus has been effectively eliminated from the general public.

    Unless you are hanging around nursing or care homes or meat plants, your chance of catching it is almost nil at this point.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 138 ✭✭Sheep_shear


    By and large, we've kept to the rules. My wife certainly has. The major breakage I had was with the one trip outside for exercise per day. I kept at about three longish walks per day. We don't live in a city, you'd never get within an asses roar of another person. I don't feel guilty in the slightest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,205 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    Incorrect - as Dear Tony said 2 weeks ago the virus has been effectively eliminated from the general public.
    Don't know where you are pulling that from. We still have unexplained community transmission which means the virus is still circulating. We still have cases tied to nursing homes and meat plants - do you think they are some sort of hermetically sealed bubbles, and the workers in there do not live in their homes, shop and socialise in their local communities?

    Until we have actual scientific advice that this has gone away, I'm not going to take the word of anti-vaxxers, the far right and business interests that none of us should be concerned or modify our behaviours.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,481 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    hmmm wrote: »
    Don't know where you are pulling that from. We still have unexplained community transmission which means the virus is still circulating. We still have cases tied to nursing homes and meat plants - do you think they are some sort of hermetically sealed bubbles, and the workers in there do not live in their homes, shop and socialise in their local communities?

    Until we have actual scientific advice that this has gone away, I'm not going to take the word of anti-vaxxers, the far right and business interests that none of us should be concerned or modify our behaviours.


    How many unexplained cases per day are we getting?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭Blaze420


    hmmm wrote: »
    Don't know where you are pulling that from. We still have unexplained community transmission which means the virus is still circulating. We still have cases tied to nursing homes and meat plants - do you think they are some sort of hermetically sealed bubbles, and the workers in there do not live in their homes, shop and socialise in their local communities?

    Until we have actual scientific advice that this has gone away, I'm not going to take the word of anti-vaxxers, the far right and business interests that none of us should be concerned or modify our behaviours.

    You do know “community transmission” is also used to refer to “communities” such as nursing homes yes? That might explain these unexplainable cases for you


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,205 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    You do know “community transmission” is also used to refer to “communities” such as nursing homes yes? That might explain these unexplainable cases for you
    Community transmission generally means unexplained transmission. Cases tied to particular locations such as nursing homes become "clusters".

    Public health have said that the virus is "suppressed" i.e. low transmission, not "eliminated" which is a very important distinction.

    Allied to which we have the complete incompetence of the Northern Irish and UK authorities which we share an open land border with.


  • Registered Users Posts: 780 ✭✭✭no.8


    Blaze420 wrote:
    Oh give over FFS, if everybody attending is in fine health and has been through the lockdown then what’s the issue?


    .... how do you know they are in fine health? Have you not learned anything about this virus?

    Having said that, yes, i do find it increasingly tough to deal with being cut off from family and friends only 2+ hours by road away


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭Blaze420


    hmmm wrote: »
    Community transmission generally means unexplained transmission. Cases tied to particular locations such as nursing homes become "clusters".

    Public health have said that the virus is "suppressed" i.e. low transmission, not "eliminated" which is a very important distinction.

    Allied to which we have the complete incompetence of the Northern Irish and UK authorities which we share an open land border with.

    Seasonal flu also has community transmission - we don’t seem to lock the whole country down each winter for that do we? It’s time to get real - if you are not in the high risk categories for this then you don’t really have anything to worry about, if you are then you need to take responsibility for your own safety. We are coming up to 3 months now - the economy will not survive much longer if we don’t start reintroducing some normality to the country.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭Blaze420


    no.8 wrote: »
    .... how do you know they are in fine health? Have you not learned anything about this virus?

    Having said that, yes, i do find it increasingly tough to deal with being cut off from family and friends only 2+ hours by road away
    Well if you’ve all been shut in the house for the last 2 1/2 months - and nobody has been sick - and nobody is sick now - well use your brain to figure out the rest. Unless you are having a BBQ with nurses and frontline staff then you have about a 0.0001% chance of catching anything.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 780 ✭✭✭no.8


    TheDriver wrote:
    Herein lies the issue. The scaremongering for months now has people worn out. We were all scared to walk into a shop at the end of March in case the grim reaper pulled us to one side. It's going to be hard to scare monger people going forward. And politicians know this.


    Scaremongering????
    :D. Laughable.

    What would have happened if we didn't do anything? We'd be f**ked, that's what. Hot dry weather and A&E's up the walls.
    It wasn't scaremongering, it was a call to make a sacrifice. Vast majority did. The Selfish among us didnt (never would unless it directly affects them)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,143 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    TheDriver wrote: »
    Herein lies the issue. The scaremongering for months now has people worn out. We were all scared to walk into a shop at the end of March in case the grim reaper pulled us to one side.
    It's going to be hard to scare monger people going forward. And politicians know this.

    Yip, the main reason for keeping restrictions seems to be the fabled second wave (which hasn't materialised elsewhere). If a second wave does hit, it will be more difficult to get people to comply again due to the prolonged restrictions now. Cutting people a bit of slack now would be beneficial going forward, particularly if there is a second wave.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,205 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Pete_Cavan wrote: »
    Yip, the main reason for keeping restrictions seems to be the fabled second wave (which hasn't materialised elsewhere). If a second wave does hit, it will be more difficult to get people to comply again due to the prolonged restrictions now. Cutting people a bit of slack now would be beneficial going forward, particularly if there is a second wave.
    What slack would you cut them (serious question) when the scientific and health advice the government is receiving is directly from our public health doctors?

    If you were a politician and you are being told by public health to keep social distancing in place, keep 2 metres in place and keep people from congregating in large numbers, which of that advice would you stick your neck out to tell people to ignore? They'd be crucified in a future enquiry if deaths increased as a consequence.


  • Registered Users Posts: 780 ✭✭✭no.8


    Well done. Ok. Please. Let me use my brain.

    So you're saying nobody in those x number of households have left the house in 2.5 months, none have been sick or are sick? Right. Your first point is pure rubbish. Didnt happen.
    2nd and 3rd. Hopefully true. As youth likely know... you may wait up to 14 or more days to find out if thats the case.

    Look Blaze (your temper suits that name). I'm happy you are better off mentally after meeting up. I want to have that too. Just don't agree with your assessment that there's no risk of getting the virus.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,143 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    hmmm wrote: »
    Public health have said that the virus is "suppressed" i.e. low transmission, not "eliminated" which is a very important distinction.

    Allied to which we have the complete incompetence of the Northern Irish and UK authorities which we share an open land border with.

    The virus isn't just going to disappear so this focus on elimination is set an unattainable goal. As you alluded to, it can be brought back here from elsewhere even if it was completely eliminated here. The only way forward is adjusting to a way of life which includes virus control measures particularly social distancing. This is what most of Europe is doing now but we are still fretting about thinking we can eliminate the virus.


  • Registered Users Posts: 780 ✭✭✭no.8


    Ridiculous. Restrictions have been eased for what, a few weeks?
    Already writing off a second wave?

    Why, have we achieved herd immunity?
    Are we all suddenly immune?
    Did it just up and vanish?

    The reality is the countries citizens (for the most part) did a great job in suppressing this virus. It may come back strong, maybe soon, maybe during the flu season. Absolutely foolish otherwise to think this is definitely going for good.

    I'm longing for that freedom though. Think we all need a proper holiday


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,095 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    I have definitely personalized the restrictions. My red line is having extended conversation with someone inside a building, I get uncomfortable in the situation and I'm always rudely breaking off the contact. People in supermarkets having a chat with me for example or an elderly family member hoping that I come in the house. I feel terrible because it's often someone who probably needs a chat. Outside is ok I think, just stand apart and talk all day but then I have a 16 year old sister in law who started hugging, it's like herding cats.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,676 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    Incorrect - as Dear Tony said 2 weeks ago the virus has been effectively eliminated from the general public.

    Unless you are hanging around nursing or care homes or meat plants, your chance of catching it is almost nil at this point.

    I know that and you know that, however even if the numbers stay steady at where they are at now, there may be a delay in lifting restrictions. I want to get out of this as much as possible, but if the numbers were to remain stable and not drop (or even raise slightly), I wound rather it was because we opened up the country a bit more and tried to get the economy going, and not people having weekly house parties for 50 guests. That really is taking the piss


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,205 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    if you are not in the high risk categories for this then you don’t really have anything to worry about, if you are then you need to take responsibility for your own safety.
    This is simply not true. Just because you do not have some of the co-morbidities that make this virus more dangerous, does not mean you are immune and cannot become seriously sick.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,651 ✭✭✭✭TheDriver


    hmmm wrote: »
    What slack would you cut them (serious question) when the scientific and health advice the government is receiving is directly from our public health doctors?

    If you were a politician and you are being told by public health to keep social distancing in place, keep 2 metres in place and keep people from congregating in large numbers, which of that advice would you stick your neck out to tell people to ignore? They'd be crucified in a future enquiry if deaths increased as a consequence.

    unfortunately there is reality and personality coupled with all advisors and scientific advice. Its akin to the person who happily lets their child jump off cliffs into the sea vs the other extreme parent who won't let their child ever get wet. You can take the advice on dangers but you need to realistically interpret them and apply to what is achievable.
    Wear gloves but wait gloves are bad
    Masks are no use but wait, we should be wearing them
    Don't close nursing homes but wait......that didn't work out too well.

    etc etc. People need to stop asking Tony questions re schools, holidays etc. Because he can only say one thing and that's to lock us away like Rapunzel until it is safe. It's never going to be safe if we take that level of paranoia


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭Blaze420


    no.8 wrote: »
    Well done. Ok. Please. Let me use my brain.

    So you're saying nobody in those x number of households have left the house in 2.5 months, none have been sick or are sick? Right. Your first point is pure rubbish. Didnt happen.
    2nd and 3rd. Hopefully true. As youth likely know... you may wait up to 14 or more days to find out if thats the case.

    Look Blaze (your temper suits that name). I'm happy you are better off mentally after meeting up. I want to have that too. Just don't agree with your assessment that there's no risk of getting the virus.

    You misunderstand the name if you think It means angry :D

    Look I understand your concerns but there is a bit of common sense needed now and not frantic scaremongering. The risk of catching this from people you know is extremely low to almost none and that’s just a fact now - unless your friends are frontline staff or involved in work in one of the clusters then it really is low risk. The virus will still be here in some form in August but as a public, we have done what was asked and we have done it for long enough now - look at other countries opening everything that were much worse hit than us. As I said previously, we just want to be the “good boys” of Europe even though other countries are now referring to our extended roadmap as draconian.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 322 ✭✭double jobbing


    Got to be honest I am not putting up with not using cash for much longer. Tap and go is such an archaic system, it baffles me how anybody would prefer to use it. Not to mention the amount of places that don't let you see the card reader so you don't know how much you are paying.

    Another fortnight and I'm back to cash only.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,205 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    TheDriver wrote: »
    unfortunately there is reality and personality coupled with all advisors and scientific advice. Its akin to the person who happily lets their child jump off cliffs into the sea vs the other extreme parent who won't let their child ever get wet. You can take the advice on dangers but you need to realistically interpret them and apply to what is achievable.
    Then as a society we need to decide how many deaths are acceptable. Other than a few far right types on the relaxations thread talking about people being "beyond economic usefulness", I've seen no-one say how many extra deaths they are willing to tolerate in return for politicians ignoring some or all of public health advice.

    There are calls for inquiries into deaths of people in nursing homes. Are we happy to allow this to spread in the community, meaning staff will get sick (without being aware) and bring it into more nursing homes? Are we happy for it to get into hospitals and prisons? If we face a choice (like Italy) as to who should be treated in ICU, will we say who should get priority?

    And which political party is going to put forward a platform of the above? I see FF calling for faster re-opening - has anyone asked them this question? If it all works out with no resurgence, great, but what happens if it does come back, and who is going to take responsibility for making that decision?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,143 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    hmmm wrote: »
    What slack would you cut them (serious question) when the scientific and health advice the government is receiving is directly from our public health doctors?

    If you were a politician and you are being told by public health to keep social distancing in place, keep 2 metres in place and keep people from congregating in large numbers, which of that advice would you stick your neck out to tell people to ignore? They'd be crucified in a future enquiry if deaths increased as a consequence.

    First off, I'd be questioning why we are getting advice which differs from other countries who have been open three weeks and cases have dropped. The proof is there to be seen, the experiment is happening right now, why is that being ignored? We don't have to go full balls out open but the travel distance limit is pointless and plenty of businesses can open if they have adequate measures in place.

    There is also a human behaviour science element to this, not just medical science. If people lose faith, it is much harder to get them back on side later. This needs to be recognised, particularly if a second wave in the immediate future actually does happen (for which there is no evidence).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,143 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    no.8 wrote: »
    Ridiculous. Restrictions have been eased for what, a few weeks?
    Already writing off a second wave?

    Why, have we achieved herd immunity?
    Are we all suddenly immune?
    Did it just up and vanish?

    The reality is the countries citizens (for the most part) did a great job in suppressing this virus. It may come back strong, maybe soon, maybe during the flu season. Absolutely foolish otherwise to think this is definitely going for good.

    I'm longing for that freedom though. Think we all need a proper holiday

    Nobody is saying that the virus is gone for good. Those wanting easing of restrictions recognise that it is not just going to vanish, that is why lockdown is only a short term measure, the longer it goes on, it does more harm than good (other illnesses, both physical and mental, haven't vanished either).

    Covid-19 has been suppressed, as you have said, then why not ease restrictions faster? There are other countries ahead of us who have not been a growth in cases despite having eased restrictions three weeks ago. That speaks for itself, we can watch them and if they cases start growing strongly, we can react as necessary. What if a second wave is months away (or doesn't happen at all)? All we will have done by prolonging restrictions is to piss people off for no good reason (if the reason is the second wave and it happens anyway, the prolonged restrictions have been for nothing). Ease off now will at least give people a bit of hope.

    How many are going to die from delayed diagnosis and lack of treatment of other issues while we wait for something which might never happen (or happen quite a while into the future)?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,143 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    hmmm wrote: »
    This is simply not true. Just because you do not have some of the co-morbidities that make this virus more dangerous, does not mean you are immune and cannot become seriously sick.

    And what do you tell a person who's cancer is not getting diagnosed now? "You are going to die due to late diagnosis but at least you didn't get a virus which may have made you seriously sick for a couple of weeks (or you might not have realised you had at all).

    The HSE don't even know when BrestCheck or cervical screening will start again and there will likely be a huge backlog when they do open. How is this acceptable?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,205 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Pete_Cavan wrote: »
    And what do you tell a person who's cancer is not getting diagnosed now?
    It's not an either/or. I expect the HSE to get screening programs back up and running even while managing the low level of Covid, I don't know what's keeping them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭GazzaL


    Got to be honest I am not putting up with not using cash for much longer. Tap and go is such an archaic system, it baffles me how anybody would prefer to use it. Not to mention the amount of places that don't let you see the card reader so you don't know how much you are paying.

    Another fortnight and I'm back to cash only.

    I still mainly use cash. Cash is king.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    Oh give over FFS, if everybody attending is in fine health and has been through the lockdown then what’s the issue?

    They may feel fine being asymptomatic. Oh lord, how many times does somebody have to say this?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭Blaze420


    They may feel fine being asymptomatic. Oh lord, how many times does somebody have to say this?

    You can stop saying it now, nobody cares anymore


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,207 ✭✭✭99nsr125


    hmmm wrote: »
    Just because you use the words "scare mongering" doesn't make it true.

    This is still a virus which puts large numbers of people in hospital and ICU, is still circulating and hasn't gone away.

    No it doesn't

    Read the CDC report, it's the same or less than the regular flu

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,143 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    hmmm wrote: »
    It's not an either/or. I expect the HSE to get screening programs back up and running even while managing the low level of Covid, I don't know what's keeping them.

    I suspect what's keeping them is that they fear allowing significant numbers of people to travel the country, sit in waiting rooms and generally interact with people, were such services open again would undermine the restrictions and arbitrary distance limitations they are advocating for the rest of the population. It would be admitting that the virus has been suppressed so the fear which is being used is less effective.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,205 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    99nsr125 wrote: »
    No it doesn't

    Read the CDC report, it's the same or less than regular flu
    That's not true unfortunately. IFR of Covid is estimated at somewhere between 0.5 and 1% based on multiple studies, with wide variation depending on how old you are. Flu is somewhere between 0.01 and 0.1 across the population - i.e. 10 times less dangerous.

    As well as that humans have no pre-existing immunity to Covid, so whereas Flu infects perhaps 10% of people a year, this potentially could infect a lot more. So you have a more dangerous disease which puts a lot of people in hospital, and a lot more people potentially who could get it and all in the one year. Once hospitals are over-run, the fatality rate spikes (e.g. Wuhan).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,205 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Pete_Cavan wrote: »
    I suspect what's keeping them is that they fear allowing significant numbers of people to travel the country, sit in waiting rooms and generally interact with people, were such services open again would undermine the restrictions and arbitrary distance limitations they are advocating for the rest of the population. It would be admitting that the virus has been suppressed so the fear which is being used is less effective.
    I don't subscribe to conspiracy theories. If they were worried having people show up for screening would expose some conspiracy where they were locking down the country for no reason, it'd be a lot easier for them simply to recommend restrictions be lifted.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭Blaze420


    hmmm wrote: »
    That's not true unfortunately. IFR of Covid is estimated at somewhere between 0.5 and 1% based on multiple studies, with wide variation depending on how old you are. Flu is somewhere between 0.01 and 0.1 across the population - i.e. 10 times less dangerous.

    As well as that humans have no pre-existing immunity to Covid, so whereas Flu infects perhaps 10% of people a year, this potentially could infect a lot more. So you have a more dangerous disease which puts a lot of people in hospital, and a lot more people potentially who could get it. Once hospitals are over-run, the fatality rate spikes (e.g. Wuhan).

    Yeah but we didn’t even come close to being overrun did we? A lot of private hospital space laying empty because of overblown bull**** dramatics at the start of this - 33k dead by August!!! Meanwhile the real tragedy is yet to unfold when all of those people with cancer etc are now consigned to death because the government and media whipped everyone in to a frenzy about how dangerous this ****in bold cousin of the flu was when it really wasn’t. The deaths yet to come from missed cancer screenings and appointments will make covid look like the ****ing teletubbies in comparison.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,205 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    Yeah but we didn’t even come close to being overrun did we?
    We weren't far off - we very rapidly had 150 people in ICU beds with Covid (mid April was the peak I think). The restrictions that started in March were just in time, another week or two and we'd have been in trouble and would have needed all the ICU beds we could find/create.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,755 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    Haven't left the house since February, I'm still just as worried for my family as I was then.
    Nothing has changed to convince me otherwise yet. I've no idea why or how others think different?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,207 ✭✭✭99nsr125


    You sure read that report fast ?

    It's a good source, do actually read it, it may not suit your thinking but do actually read it
    hmmm wrote: »
    That's not true unfortunately. IFR of Covid is estimated at somewhere between 0.5 and 1% based on multiple studies, with wide variation depending on how old you are. Flu is somewhere between 0.01 and 0.1 across the population - i.e. 10 times less dangerous.

    As well as that humans have no pre-existing immunity to Covid, so whereas Flu infects perhaps 10% of people a year, this potentially could infect a lot more. So you have a more dangerous disease which puts a lot of people in hospital, and a lot more people potentially who could get it and all in the one year. Once hospitals are over-run, the fatality rate spikes (e.g. Wuhan).


  • Registered Users Posts: 779 ✭✭✭SNNUS


    Haven't left the house since February, I'm still just as worried for my family as I was then.
    Nothing has changed to convince me otherwise yet. I've no idea why or how others think different?

    Because with life is risk and staying indoors forever is not living.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭Blaze420


    Haven't left the house since February, I'm still just as worried for my family as I was then.
    Nothing has changed to convince me otherwise yet. I've no idea why or how others think different?

    Well nothin could change your mind if all you listen to is daily briefings from Tony or watching Claire Byrne in her stupid ass shed. Go read the news, go read what Tony said 2 weeks ago then go outside and look around you. The world hasn’t ended.


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