How will schools be able to go back in September?

TheValeyard

khalessi wrote: »

Well that wont happen pandemic or no pandemic as that is deprofessionalising teaching but you dont get.

Sure if thats the rule we will just feck anyone into your job as its easy and doesnt need training same logic

I've seen a few season of ER, Greys Anatomy and Scrubs. I could join the frontline health workers now with Fringe

TheValeyard

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

If teachers won't or can't return through their own choice and there aren't enough to fill those positions then yes they will have to do some new thinking in the interim.

I don't think it would be as bad as having nobody to teach at all, certainly not a disaster.

I really don't believe you are actually serious.

khalessi

TheValeyard wrote: »

I've seen a few season of ER, Greys Anatomy and Scrubs. I could join the frontline health workers now with Fringe

You would be too quallified, if only you had stuck to one program

Lyle

I watched 1917 last night and the British Army called this morning. I'm off.

khalessi

I stapled my finger this morning now thinking of a career in acupuncture

Tokyo

Mod: are we finished with the pisstaking?

Lillyfae

khalessi wrote: »

You would be too quallified, if only you had stuck to one program

Sorry, I was taught by many, teaching unqualified, graduates at secondary level who were pursuing practical hDips. It’s done already.

The newly qualified teachers are going overseas to fill positions all the time because their potential unionised compatriots sent them up the river years ago.

Murple

I have a sharp knife. I’m sure that qualifies me as a surgeon. Sure if your appendix is about to burst, better I take it out that it’s left in.

khalessi

Lillyfae wrote: »

Sorry, I was taught by many, teaching unqualified, graduates at secondary level who were pursuing practical hDips. It’s done already.

The newly qualified teachers are going overseas to fill positions all the time because their potential unionised compatriots sent them up the river years ago.

There is a huge difference between a hdip student who is undertaking teacher training and someone who is not which is what you suggested.

Your lack of knowledge about education is overwhelming for someone who is so vocal but then empty vessels make the most noise.

TheValeyard

Lillyfae wrote: »

Sorry, I was taught by many, teaching unqualified, graduates at secondary level who were pursuing practical hDips. It’s done already.

The newly qualified teachers are going overseas to fill positions all the time because their potential unionised compatriots sent them up the river years ago.

All PME are supervised by the class teacher. Including lesson plans, schemes of work, etc. They are not left to their own ways.

Govt. Forced those changes on young entrants to the profession. But you already knew that.

Lyle

mike_ie wrote: »

Mod: are we finished with the pisstaking?

We're practicing. There's a potential pisstaker shortage, there could be a job in it for us.


In fairness, the notion that you can throw random people into a school scenario is absolute comical madness. Teachers go through years of training in a variety of skills outside of just knowing the subject they're teaching. Classroom management in particular sounds like a complete nightmare, especially in secondary school with teenagers, and a newbie would have their asses handed to them faster than they knew what was going on. Think back to when you were in school, particularly secondary... Qualified subs get run ragged by kids acting the maggot and having a laugh at their expense. By the time it took to train people qualified in subjects how to work in a classroom the virus would probably be vaccinated against.

Also, it still doesn't remove the endless issues around distancing, class numbers, spare rooms, transport issues, building layouts and the list goes on and on and on.

I think the best thing for everyone would be to just shurrup about it until the DoE say something. Everyone else in the world can throw opinions into media outlets, none of it will impact the public health advice that the DoE will have to abide by and when they release a plan, then we can start recruiting beavers to teach woodwork or whatever

Oh, and don't listen to Leo on this either, the populist gowl will soundbite whatever he feels will keep his self-satisfaction rating up on any given day.

iamwhoiam

I know lots of parents read this thread , some might be interested that Smyths is open for click and collect . Many are desperately trying to amuse young kids and work from home .
It was really easy to order and collect from Smyths , the only contact was a girl behind a plastic screen .
I really admire business who are adapting and thinking outside the box .
Kids needs stimulation and outdoor play now so Smyths are filling a void at least

TheValeyard

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I know lots of parents read this thread , some might be interested that Smyths is open for click and collect . Many are desperately trying to amuse young kids and work from home .
It was really easy to order and collect from Smyths , the only contact was a girl behind a plastic screen .
I really admire business who are adapting and thinking outside the box .
Kids needs stimulation and outdoor play now so Smyths are filling a void at least

Art n Hobby also been great with their online store.

Dayo93

The point has been driven home here , unqualified teachers cannot teach children , so we cannot have mass home schooling , get the schools back open in September , the kids are the ones suffering here ...

Higgins5473

Dayo93 wrote: »

The point has been driven home here , unqualified teachers cannot teach children , so we cannot have mass home schooling , get the schools back open in September , the kids are the ones suffering here ...

Everybody I have spoken to wants to go back to school, kids, teachers, auxiliary staff. But one of the many thousands of questions is how? Go for broke and just lump them all in? Saying 'get the schools back open' is a futile as saying 'find a vaccine now'.

Treppen

TheValeyard wrote: »

Art n Hobby also been great with their online store.

Minecraft Dungeons will be released in 6 days.

Lyle

Dayo93 wrote: »

The point has been driven home here , unqualified teachers cannot teach children , so we cannot have mass home schooling , get the schools back open in September , the kids are the ones suffering here ...

Unqualified people cannot teach a lot of children in a classroom setting. It is a wholly different skill managing 20-30 kids, or however many less than that, that we'll be able to fit in classrooms down the line.

Unqualified can teach their own children, as best they can and with help from educators, in a home setting if push comes to shove.

It's probably gonna come to shove as well because we can't have full classrooms, we don't have space for overflow, transport won't be operational the way it was, this two hour rule potentially means a school day could only be 2 hours long. If kids are even in one day a week that's still 4 days learning at home. Hopefully they can get the schools back open in September but we have to change vital cogs of society to figure it out and accommodate it. Education is probably going to be jarringly different for the next year, maybe more, much like every other facet of life.

daydorunrun

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

This crisis is tough, no doubt.

Between schooling the kids, the job, your partner working and half your day on Boards

Not easy at all

An Alanis Morissette come instantly to mind!:pac:

khalessi

Why is my name circled?

iamwhoiam

Lyle wrote: »

Unqualified people cannot teach a lot of children in a classroom setting. It is a wholly different skill managing 20-30 kids.

Unqualified can teach their own children in a home setting if push comes to shove.

It's probably gonna come to shove as well because we can't have full classrooms, we don't have space for overflow, transport won't be operational the way it was, this two hour rule potentially means a school day could only be 2 hours long. If kids are even in one day a week that's still 4 days learning at home. Hopefully they can get the schools back open in September but we have to change vital cogs of society to figure it out and accommodate it. Education is probably going to be jarringly different for the next year, maybe more, much like every other facet of life.

Many parents who are working from home are already struggling trying to home school children . Some with babies to mind or children with special needs
It is not feasible to expect parents to educate a child while holding down a job
My own daughter is struggling with both working from home , trying to look after a young baby and keep a 5 year old entertained and do homework . Its simply not managable in many houses so you would end up with a very uneven education for children

Lets see how the rest of Europe manage it and learn from them how it can be done
We have 3 months to learn .

khalessi

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Many parents who are working from home are already struggling trying to home school children . Some with babies to mind or children with special needs
It is not feasible to expect parents to educate a child while holding down a job
My own daughter is struggling with both working from home , trying to look after a young baby and keep a 5 year old entertained and do homework . Its simply not managable in many houses so you would end up with a very uneven education for children

WHy not ? I am working from home, struggling with kids and educating a class of them or does the fact that teachers are parents not factor in this at all. It is a struggle for everyone but as has been pointed out we adapt.

daydorunrun

khalessi wrote: »

Why is my name circled?

Because somebody is called out saying they can't be as busy as they claim because they spend so much time on boards. I just find you thanking that calling out is ironic given your impressive posting record.

iamwhoiam

khalessi wrote: »

WHy not ? I am working from home, struggling with kids and educating a class of them or does the fact that teachers are parents not factor in this at all. It is a struggle for everyone but as has been pointed out we adapt.

Why not what ? And i never mentioned that teachers were not a factor . Why so tetchy ?
I thought you would the first to admit a parent is not qualified to teach in the first place

Sammy2012

Wow thanks for the laugh! I've been teaching over 12 years and I still dont have it down to a fine art. I'd love to know how these unqualified people would.go about teaching a junior infant to read? As a parent of a child due to start infants in September I'd have a lot to say if my child's teacher was unqualified. An awful lot.

Also regarding the newspaper articles as my mother says, a paper never refuses ink. There are as of yet no guidelines at all issued by the department. Media are whipping up information to make teachers look bad. I'd love to go back to work as would my colleagues but there needs to be guidelines issued and plans put in place. By the department. Not the irish times or newstalk!!!

khalessi

daydorunrun wrote: »

Because somebody is called out saying they can't be as busy as they claim because they spend so much time on boards. I just find you thanking that calling out is ironic given your impressive posting record.

As I pointed out I multitask but it is ok for me to be called on it but not ye and you are all wfh too. Jaysus ye are hilarious. I think you will find there are some in the teacher bashing section who have more impressive postings than me while wfh

khalessi

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Why not what ? And i never mentioned that teachers were not a factor . Why so tetchy ?

I am not tetchy I am making a point though I would think you are if that is how you are taking it

iamwhoiam

khalessi wrote: »

I am not tetchy I am making a point though I would you are if that is how you are taking it

Pardon ?
What point are you making . I mentioned parents struggling and you jump that teacher are parents . Well yes i know that I just wasn’t mentioning all careers in my post
All parents are struggling right now .

I have a lovely niece who is a primary school teacher . She was on the phone to me crying that she is right now not a perfect teacher nor a perfect mother because she simply cannot be both
Are we to accept that for years to come for our children .

TheValeyard

daydorunrun wrote: »

An Alanis Morissette come instantly to mind!:pac:

This post is creepy

ldy4mxonucwsq6

Sammy2012 wrote: »

Also regarding the newspaper articles as my mother says, a paper never refuses ink. There are as of yet no guidelines at all issued by the department. Media are whipping up information to make teachers look bad. I'd love to go back to work as would my colleagues but there needs to be guidelines issued and plans put in place. By the department. Not the irish times or newstalk!!!

The Dept of Education is working regularly with a number of different groups including the parents council and NPHET at the moment.

Just because you didn't get a circular on it doesn't mean it's not happening.

They are looking at several proposals to get the schools back in September, I presume they won't issue concrete guidelines until these have been ironed out.

khalessi

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

The Dept of Education is working regularly with a number of different groups including the parents council and NPHET at the moment.

Just because you didn't get a circular on it doesn't mean it's not happening.

They are looking at several proposals to get the schools back in September, I presume they won't issue concrete guidelines until these have been ironed out.

THis point could equally apply to every person on this thread who has said schools are not willing to be reopened and that nothing is being done.