How will schools be able to go back in September?

Benimar

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

League of Ireland clubs Dundalk, Derry, Bohemians and Shamrock Rovers are back training on 8th June (All 4 are in talks to resume sooner if possible)

And the players are being regularly tested from May 26. In fairness, the return of 4 adult teams in a professional environment is not the equivalent of getting junior or schoolboy/girl leagues back up and running.

Outside the 4 clubs, the FAI have directed that all football activities are suspended until July 20.

Murple

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

Definitely, there should be plenty y of options on the table. There are also proposals being made for extending the school week out to 6 or 7 days to allow for staggered teaching.

Where exactly?

YFlyer

I heard today from a chemistry professor at UL. Said amount of students per lab be 20% of what it used to be and there be no pairings.

r93kaey5p2izun

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

Getting a sub will always be harder than placing someone in a permanent position, there is an excess of qualified teachers currently available.

More and more far exceeding those retiring are graduating every year. They'll be more than happy to fill the positions for those who choose not to work.

There are serious shortages of teachers in many post primary subjects. Lots of permanent position unfilled in Dublin for the past few years. If you're happy to have your children taught all subjects by History and Geography graduates then your post might be within the realms of reality, otherwise it's yet another of your posts that is either a blatant lie or grossly misinformed.

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Murple wrote: »

Where exactly?

It's one possibility indicated in a submission that's been made to the Department of Education outlining plans to reopen schools in September.

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Yosef Stocky Backspace wrote: »

There are serious shortages of teachers in many post primary subjects. Lots of permanent position unfilled in Dublin for the past few years. If you're happy to have your children taught all subjects by History and Geography graduates then your post might be within the realms of reality, otherwise it's yet another of your posts that is either a blatant lie or grossly misinformed.

What blatant lies?

TheValeyard

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

It's one possibility indicated in a submission that's been made to the Department of Education outlining plans to reopen schools in September.

Show me

Murple

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

It's called change and new ways of doing things.

Find a problem, find a solution.

If anything this pandemic will prove Darwins theory on adaptation, those businesses and organisations that adapted will survive.

Just because its not something that we've done before doesn't mean we shouldn't try it.

You think putting people with no qualifications or training in the teaching of young children into classrooms a ‘new way of doing things’. Right.

I can just picture it- the letter going home to parents - ‘your child’s teacher is Ms Bloggs. She has no teacher training or qualifications but she has a degree in business. We’re just trying this as a new way of doing things...‘ or maybe ‘your child’s teacher in Senior Infants will be Mr Doe. He technically isn’t qualified or trained as a teacher but he has a degree in law, just graduated. It’s not something we’ve done before but that’s not a reason not to do it now...’
Come to think of it, let’s shut all teachers training courses and instead every graduate of anything at all will have to do a years teaching pay back to the state for paid fees. It can be like the military service done. Why not? Sure won’t it be great for their CV.
Come to think of it, why didn’t they ask vets and veterinary nurses to fill the gaps in the hospitals when doctors and nurses get sick. Find a problem, find a solution! Sure it doesn’t matter if the solution is nonsensical drivel that would make the problem a lot worse. It’s a solution!

ldy4mxonucwsq6

TheValeyard wrote: »

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Why don't you ask your principal for the full details he or she should have them.

It's mentioned in the Irish Times article today that was linked a few pages back.

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Murple wrote: »

You think putting people with no qualifications or training in the teaching of young children into classrooms a ‘new way of doing things’. Right.

I can just picture it- the letter going home to parents - ‘your child’s teacher is Ms Bloggs. She has no teacher training or qualifications but she has a degree in business. We’re just trying this as a new way of doing things...‘ or maybe ‘your child’s teacher in Senior Infants will be Mr Doe. He technically isn’t qualified or trained as a teacher but he has a degree in law, just graduated. It’s not something we’ve done before but that’s not a reason not to do it now...’

I'm sure those with relevant degrees would work for some post primary positions. I'd take that over the option of no teacher any day.

Murple

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

It's one possibility indicated in a submission that's been made to the Department of Education outlining plans to reopen schools in September.

A submission made by who? You? Bobo the Clown?

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Murple wrote: »

A submission made by who? You? Bobo the Clown?

Sorry if you don't like whats been published in the media today. The submission was made by the Irish Primary Principals network, are you not aware of it?

Like I said the narrative will change and if you take a look at any of the news sites today you'll already see it happening.

Lyle

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

The WHO has already started telling the government to open back up schools, Leo said its one of the safest things to do. So if you think parents will be homeschooling still in September I think you are misinformed.

The CMO all-but rubbished what Leo said that same evening, as Leo based his statement almost entirely off the HIQA report citing the one Aussie study. It's not enough.

As for the WHO thing today, that's just Nabarro's opinion. DeGascun from the NVRL was out almost straight away saying he doesn't think it's doable.

"We've just released the first level of restrictions and we want to see how that has an impact. We have done very well, the numbers are low, they're going in the right direction, but we believe, and we'll have more evidence for this in June, but we believe that the majority of the population still remain susceptible."

Also, Nabarro said "before schools reopen teachers must be confident they can manage the return to school and that children understand social distancing....

...because so much depends on whether the teachers are comfortable and whether the parents are happy to send their kids back to school” "

It's going to take months for the DoE to make sure it can manage. Bringing them back earlier as well flies in the face of cancelling the LC, and also all this new discussion of not having people in the same room for more than 2 hours is going to make it even more difficult and convoluted.

khalessi

So who is going to teach the extended week or will the present teachers be working 7 days a week and doing online teaching too?

dundalkfc10

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

I'm sure those with relevant degrees would work for some post primary positions. I'd take that over the option of no teacher any day.

Are you drunk?

TheValeyard

khalessi wrote: »

So who is going to teach the extended week or will the preent teachers be working 7 days a week and doing online teaching too?

It's nonsense. And I can't find any mention of it anywhere.

khalessi

TheValeyard wrote: »

It's nonsense. And I can't find any mention of it anywhere.

An extended week is also mooted as a possibility.

this is the last sentence of the article so fringe has decided that means 6 or 7 day week. I think that is a Freudian slip on her behalf

ldy4mxonucwsq6

TheValeyard wrote: »

It's nonsense. And I can't find any mention of it anywhere.

Nonsense, why because you can't find it? It's linked a few pages back and is headlined on many Irish news sites today.

Lyle

TheValeyard wrote: »

It's nonsense. And I can't find any mention of it anywhere.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-time-to-examine-reopening-irish-schools-says-who-envoy-1.4258084?mode=amp

"In a submission to the Department of Education over plans to reopen schools in September, the Irish Primary Principals’ Network recommends parents should be required to agree a “general contract” in which they accept new terms and conditions that balance the safety of the school with their child’s right to an education.

The document says pupils may end up having to physically attend school on a limited basis, such as every other day or every other week, and learn remotely on the remaining days. An extended week is also mooted as a possibility."

This is just throwing out ideas at this stage, really.

TheValeyard

Lyle wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-time-to-examine-reopening-irish-schools-says-who-envoy-1.4258084?mode=amp

"In a submission to the Department of Education over plans to reopen schools in September, the Irish Primary Principals’ Network recommends parents should be required to agree a “general contract” in which they accept new terms and conditions that balance the safety of the school with their child’s right to an education.

The document says pupils may end up having to physically attend school on a limited basis, such as every other day or every other week, and learn remotely on the remaining days. An extended week is also mooted as a possibility."

This is just throwing out ideas at this stage, really.

It's nonsense. Couldnt work. But Fringegirl is seeing Sunday school.

khalessi

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

I'm sure those with relevant degrees would work for some post primary positions. I'd take that over the option of no teacher any day.

But they cant as theyre not qualified to teach like parents arent able, they havent been trained so dead in the water

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TheValeyard wrote: »

It's nonsense. Couldnt work. But Fringegirl is seeing Sunday school.

Nope I was just pointing out that this is one (of many) options being explored at the minute.

TheValeyard

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

Nonsense, why because you can't find it? It's linked a few pages back and is headlined on many Irish news sites today.

Headlined on many news sites..... Really...

khalessi

TheValeyard wrote: »

It's nonsense. Couldnt work. But Fringegirl is seeing Sunday school.

Nooo she wants Sunday school as less time with the kids:D

ldy4mxonucwsq6

khalessi wrote: »

But they cant as theyre not qualified to teach like parents arent able, they havent been trained so dead in the water

Not if they change the criteria, they have to look at all possibilities to get things running again.

thecomedian

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

I'm sure those with relevant degrees would work for some post primary positions. I'd take that over the option of no teacher any day.

No they couldn’t!

Are you a teacher??

TheValeyard

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

Not if they change the criteria, they have to look at all possibilities to get things running again.

Change the criteria for teaching children? Well, that cannot end in disaster.

khalessi

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

Not if they change the criteria, they have to look at all possibilities to get things running again.

Well that wont happen pandemic or no pandemic as that is deprofessionalising teaching but you dont get.

Sure if thats the rule we will just feck anyone into your job as its easy and doesnt need training same logic.

hey while we are at it its a pandemic fringe wants things changes lets scrap degress and education altogether as no one needs them for jobs

jimmytwotimes 2013

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

I have been home schooling them....

I have a job too, and have been working throughout this.

Staying at home is not sustainable long term, my partner also has to work so we juggle and take leave and work opposite shifts.

This crisis is tough, no doubt.

Between schooling the kids, the job, your partner working and half your day on Boards

Not easy at all

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TheValeyard wrote: »

Change the criteria for teaching children? Well, that cannot end in disaster.

If teachers won't or can't return through their own choice and there aren't enough to fill those positions then yes they will have to do some new thinking in the interim.

I don't think it would be as bad as having nobody to teach at all, certainly not a disaster.