How will schools be able to go back in September?

TheValeyard

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

I don't need you to be sure.

Luckily we don't need inspectors to check on our parenting, many of us are capable of making measured decisions and following simple instructions/guidelines.

So why do you assume they would be within a group of more than 4 people?

Ah you cant answer the question. Got ya. Grand.

And presume you wont answer the question as to whether they are 2m apart from each other?

CinemaGuy45

TheValeyard wrote: »

Once again, you are wrong. Country is struggling. But im used to your posts getting things wrong

Yes paying people €350 a week to scratch their asses while many of their jobs disappear for good.

kandr10

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

I'm sure they'll thank you for that.

Me I've followed the very conservative guidelines all along and will continue to do so.

Can't hide in our houses forever, not everyone needs to have an overly cautious approach.

For those who have been out and about living and working throughout, you eventually get over the fear of the virus.

Children are allowed to play, outside with friends.

I think some people would be happy to stay in lockdown forever, the positive news on cases etc must be very disappointing for some.

Not everyone needs a cautious approach but the majority do need to follow what’s recommended. Isn’t that how the numbers got to where they are?

I totally get how since you’re exposed differently to the virus with being an essential worker that you’d lose a certain amount of the fear around it - which has to be a good thing. I think a lot of people would not have that attitude though as we’ve been cooped up and unable to go about life as normal.

It’s bonkers to say people would be happy to stay in lockdown forever. No one wants that, come on! You don’t need me to point out all the difficult situations people have been faced with in these recent times that we’re made harder because of lockdown.

pjohnson

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

The country seems to be running just fine without them it seems like a win win situation.:D

Well then why do you and Fringegirl want it to change by bringing schools back if its currently "win win"

CinemaGuy45

pjohnson wrote: »

Well then why do you and Fringegirl want it to change by bringing schools back if its currently "win win"

No wonder you don't want people mixing joking around seems to be lost on you.

ldy4mxonucwsq6

kandr10 wrote: »

Not everyone needs a cautious approach but the majority do need to follow what’s recommended. Isn’t that how the numbers got to where they are?

I totally get how since you’re exposed differently to the virus with being an essential worker that you’d lose a certain amount of the fear around it - which has to be a good thing. I think a lot of people would not have that attitude though as we’ve been cooped up and unable to go about life as normal.

It’s bonkers to say people would be happy to stay in lockdown forever. No one wants that, come on! You don’t need me to point out all the difficult situations people have been faced with in these recent times that we’re made harder because of lockdown.

And our whole family has followed guidelines to a tee since day one.

Not once did any of us go against what was recommended.

But that's not enough for some people who want the lockdown to continue or assume that people are mindless idiots incapable of following the guidelines.

CinemaGuy45

TheValeyard wrote: »

Ah you cant answer the question. Got ya. Grand.

And presume you wont answer the question as to whether they are 2m apart from each other?

Ah for God sake and I am being serious in this post will you come off it.:rolleyes:

pjohnson

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Yes paying people €350 a week to scratch their asses while many of their jobs disappear for good.

"Win win"?

TheValeyard

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Ah for God sake and I am being serious in this post will you come off it.:rolleyes:

Why are you her defender? She seems well able to defend her viewpoint.,


But not able to answer questions about social distancing and kids playing on the street...

pjohnson

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

No wonder you don't want people mixing joking around seems to be lost on you.

Just your perma-confusion. But thats certainly nothing new.

pjohnson

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

And our whole family has followed guidelines to a tee since day one.

Not once did any of us go against what was recommended.

But that's not enough for some people who want the lockdown to continue or assume that people are mindless idiots incapable of following the guidelines.

Well plenty HAVE shown this to be the case.

ldy4mxonucwsq6

TheValeyard wrote: »

Why are you her defender? She seems well able to defend her viewpoint.,


But not able to answer questions about social distancing and kids playing on the street...

I told you I was following guidelines so what part are you confused about?

TheValeyard

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

I told you I was following guidelines so what part are you confused about?

Answer the Q

Its really very simple

were they keeping 2m apart

were there more than four kids playing.


Im sure you are trying to be smart saying 'i was following guidelines' but im really not sure you are following them.

CinemaGuy45

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

And our whole family has followed guidelines to a tee since day one.

Not once did any of us go against what was recommended.

But that's not enough for some people who want the lockdown to continue or assume that people are mindless idiots incapable of following the guidelines.

I think you will find that it is mindless idiots who are the best followers.;)

CinemaGuy45

TheValeyard wrote: »

Answer the Q

Its really very simple

were they keeping 2m apart

were there more than four kids playing.


Im sure you are trying to be smart saying 'i was following guidelines' but im really not sure you are following them.

They are guidelines not laws she does not have to answer your question.

khalessi

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

I think you will find that it is mindless idiots who are the best followers.;)

Bit unfair when you consider that people are worried if they have people with underlying conditions to mind such as CF. Ireland has the highestratio of CF per capita in the world and then there are other conditions to think of, I would not call them mindless idiots if they choose to follow guidelines written by people with slightly more knowledge than yourself or Fringe

CinemaGuy45

khalessi wrote: »

Bit unfair when you consider that people are worried if they have people with underlying conditions to mind such as CF. Ireland has the highestratio of CF per capita in the world and then there are other conditions to think of, I would not call them mindless idiots if they choose to follow guidelines written by people with slightly more knowledge than yourself or Fringe

Many of us have been in work since the start of this thing and I have elderly relatives too.

However we NEED to get the country running again.

kandr10

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

And our whole family has followed guidelines to a tee since day one.

Not once did any of us go against what was recommended.

But that's not enough for some people who want the lockdown to continue or assume that people are mindless idiots incapable of following the guidelines.

Just you used the phrase ‘overly cautious’. I’m following guidelines by not letting my kid out cos she wouldn’t be able to keep 2m apart from other kids. Would you consider that overly cautious? Seems most kids in my neighbourhood are the same. You give the impression you feel that there is no need for distancing so I assumed that you weren’t following the 2m distance thing. Meeting in groups of 4 outdoors doesn’t really sound to me like let your kids out to play, but I guess it depends on the age of the kids.

khalessi

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Many of us have been in work since the start of this thing and I have elderly relatives too.

However we NEED to get the country running again.

Didnt say you werent I just said that not everyone who follows guidelines are mindless idiots.

kandr10

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Many of us have been in work since the start of this thing and I have elderly relatives too.

However we NEED to get the country running again.

Course we need to get the country running again. No one is disputing that. What we’re not in agreement about is rushing into it and jeopardising the progress made. I don’t get why you’re happy to do that?

CinemaGuy45

kandr10 wrote: »

Course we need to get the country running again. No one is disputing that. What we’re not in agreement about is rushing into it and jeopardising the progress made. I don’t get why you’re happy to do that?

As it stands many people will not have a job to go back to I get the feeling many people are going to change their tune in the coming weeks and months.

jrosen

My kids were out yesterday and today. In fact they have been out for hours and loved every minute. Im not keeping them in or confined to the garden any longer. They have been home and kept from their school, friends and sports for weeks. There has been tears as they had birthdays come and go that they couldnt celebrate with their friends.
I think the restrictions are little ott at this stage. I do think we have to start getting the country moving again.
We have followed all the rules since day 1. So I will absolutely take advantage of the restrictions as they are lifted.

Are they keeping 2m distance at all times. I doubt it tbh as most of them wouldnt have a breeze what 2m is in practice. But they have been told no to being in anyones house, no to physical contact and as soon as they come in the door they are sent straight to the bathroom to wash their hands.

downthemiddle

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

As it stands many people will not have a job to go back to I get the feeling many people are going to change their tune in the coming weeks and months.

Somebody’s job or somebody’s life? It’s a real dilemma for some.

Lyle

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Every time we use the roads we risk life.

This car crash comparison or whatever appears all the time and has never been anything other than straight up moronic.

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

We are being told this virus is with us for the long term do you think that those of us who work should support people to stay home because they are scared?

No? What? Where'd you pull that from? People are out of work because the government have shut down sectors of the economy. Yeah, some of us are lucky enough to still be working and pulling in our usual salary, but a good few people I know are stuck at home going a bit loopy trying to make do with the PUP/WSS, down a truck of money but understanding that coming out the other side of this takes time.

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Hysterical nonsense remind me now how many children have died in Ireland due to covid 19?

None, yet, thankfully. (Unless you count that poor 17 year old girl as being a child because she's not 18 but that's just semantics.)

We did well getting the kids out of dodge and into their houses quickly here, removing them from schools and other settings where they mix with other children and adults, which have the potential to be an enormous vector of transmission if not set up with the most extreme care. One small study to the contrary doesn't prove anything on a global scale.

Despite that, here's some numbers:
~ 90 total cases from 1 - 4 year olds and 275 cases from 5 - 14 year olds.
~ Hospitalised cases; 19 from 0 - 4 year olds, 17 from 5-14 year olds.

Everyone has their own opinion, but that's enough for me to be concerned. I know it's not a lot in the grand scheme, but it's still a high enough number to be concerning when the kids are just at home. Look at France for example, some schools have had to close again a week after reopening due to something like 70 cases occurring in those school settings, not to mention the tragedy of the 9 year old who passed away there from Covid complications (Kawasaki/PIMS leading to a heart attack and brain damage) and yes, I feel like we should be exhibiting patience and caution to levels that some here apparently think to be hysterical. Fair enough, each to their own. I was simply taken aback by a parent so flippantly saying they would accept the potential serious illness or death of their child.

I feel to best handle this disease mentally, take the worst possible ramifications and accept that they could happen to you. This is a novel virus, only a few months old, we have no idea yet what it could do. We're all ignorant at this point of what it might develop into over the coming weeks and months, maybe even years. Why not take the time available between now and September to be closer to 100% sure it's safely manageable in schools?

It's not just about protecting the kids, it's about protecting teachers, SNAs and other school staff, bus drivers, taxi drives, escorts, families in the locality and further afield as some kids travel pretty far to go to school. In my opinion, we should not reopen schools until the Department of Education has provided strict, detailed and well researched guidelines, as well as approving a monumental amount of extra funding for constant deep cleaning of school buildings.

Teachers, principals, Boards of Management and everyone else affiliated with schools can't do anything until the DoE gets a plan together, and that plan needs to be as near to bulletproof as possible. This requires a lot of work from the DoE and public health officials, which takes time, and also the time taken can be used to monitor the development of the disease through the summer, both here and abroad. The three and a half months to September is hopefully enough to formulate an approach to keep everyone as safe as can be, until then we all have more time than we've ever had before to spend with our kids. Maybe try and make the most of it instead of giving out about the situation on here, it's out of all of our hands. Unless you work for DoE or DoH, of course. In which case, get to work.

antgal23

Lyle wrote: »

This car crash comparison or whatever appears all the time and has never been anything other than straight up moronic.


No? What? Where'd you pull that from? People are out of work because the government have shut down sectors of the economy. Yeah, some of us are lucky enough to still be working and pulling in our usual salary, but a good few people I know are stuck at home going a bit loopy trying to make do with the PUP/WSS, down a truck of money but understanding that coming out the other side of this takes time.


None, yet, thankfully. (Unless you count that poor 17 year old girl as being a child because she's not 18 but that's just semantics.)

We did well getting the kids out of dodge and into their houses quickly here, removing them from schools and other settings where they mix with other children and adults, which have the potential to be an enormous vector of transmission if not set up with the most extreme care. One small study to the contrary doesn't prove anything on a global scale.

Despite that, here's some numbers:
~ 90 total cases from 1 - 4 year olds and 275 cases from 5 - 14 year olds.
~ Hospitalised cases; 19 from 0 - 4 year olds, 17 from 5-14 year olds.

Everyone has their own opinion, but that's enough for me to be concerned. I know it's not a lot in the grand scheme, but it's still a high enough number to be concerning when the kids are just at home. Look at France for example, some schools have had to close again a week after reopening due to something like 70 cases occurring in those school settings, not to mention the tragedy of the 9 year old who passed away there from Covid complications (Kawasaki/PIMS leading to a heart attack and brain damage) and yes, I feel like we should be exhibiting patience and caution to levels that some here apparently think to be hysterical. Fair enough, each to their own. I was simply taken aback by a parent so flippantly saying they would accept the potential serious illness or death of their child.

I feel to best handle this disease mentally, take the worst possible ramifications and accept that they could happen to you. This is a novel virus, only a few months old, we have no idea yet what it could do. We're all ignorant at this point of what it might develop into over the coming weeks and months, maybe even years. Why not take the time available between now and September to be closer to 100% sure it's safely manageable in schools?

It's not just about protecting the kids, it's about protecting teachers, SNAs and other school staff, bus drivers, taxi drives, escorts, families in the locality and further afield as some kids travel pretty far to go to school. In my opinion, we should not reopen schools until the Department of Education has provided strict, detailed and well researched guidelines, as well as approving a monumental amount of extra funding for constant deep cleaning of school buildings.

Teachers, principals, Boards of Management and everyone else affiliated with schools can't do anything until the DoE gets a plan together, and that plan needs to be as near to bulletproof as possible. This requires a lot of work from the DoE and public health officials, which takes time, and also the time taken can be used to monitor the development of the disease through the summer, both here and abroad. The three and a half months to September is hopefully enough to formulate an approach to keep everyone as safe as can be, until then we all have more time than we've ever had before to spend with our kids. Maybe try and make the most of it instead of giving out about the situation on here, it's out of all of our hands. Unless you work for DoE or DoH, of course.

Well said

I work in a special needs school and I'd say quite a lot of parents might choose to keep their kids off until there is a vaccine never mind September

I mean if it gets in there sure it would kill half of them as they are already immuno deficient

DoE will get a plan and release it in July or August, I'd say they ll watch how the virus behaves in the next 4 weeks

Anyone connected to a school with a temperature or cold symptoms will be told to stay at home - for how long I don't know, that'll impact schools massively

Was chatting to a CEO this evening and be said the top firms in Dublin are offering employees to work from home permanently

khalessi

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Was chatting to a CEO this evening and be said the top firms in Dublin are offering employees to work from home permanently[/QUOTE]

Was talking to someone who works in one of the banks and they have been told wfh until January and then come to office on a phased basis 2 days in one week 3 the next and wfh otherwise.

ldy4mxonucwsq6

antgal23 wrote: »

Was chatting to a CEO this evening and be said the top firms in Dublin are offering employees to work from home permanently

That's great and all but not an option for large numbers of the workforce.

You have a huge number of essential workers out working at the moment and at least another 500,000 who can't work from home and are getting covid payment currently.

Alternatives are needed, working from home is not possible for everyone.

kandr10

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

That's great and all but not an option for large numbers of the workforce.

You have a huge number of essential workers out working at the moment and at least another 500,000 who can't work from home and are getting covid payment currently.

Alternatives are needed, working from home is not possible for everyone.[/quote

Do you mean alternative childcare arrangements specifically? It’s definitely not an ideal situation for a lot of people, either essential workers like yourself or people trying to work from home. However I think the point that has been made repeatedly around office workers as an example, is that a lot of employers, not all, but a lot, are willing to sit down and make a plan, in line with current guidelines.

Is your proposal to open schools and childcare facilities fully now Since the numbers Of cases and deaths are low?

jrosen

kandr10 wrote: »

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

That's great and all but not an option for large numbers of the workforce.

You have a huge number of essential workers out working at the moment and at least another 500,000 who can't work from home and are getting covid payment currently.

Alternatives are needed, working from home is not possible for everyone.[/quote

Do you mean alternative childcare arrangements specifically? It’s definitely not an ideal situation for a lot of people, either essential workers like yourself or people trying to work from home. However I think the point that has been made repeatedly around office workers as an example, is that a lot of employers, not all, but a lot, are willing to sit down and make a plan, in line with current guidelines.

Is your proposal to open schools and childcare facilities fully now Since the numbers Of cases and deaths are low?

Lets be honest, companies dont have a choice. I think the huge positives that will come from this is hopefully long term work/life balance with more people being able to work from home and commute less. But working from home does not mean your children at home.

This will be a huge hurdle for all working parents until creches and schools open. Lets see how long employers will be flexible when the novelty wears off.

ldy4mxonucwsq6

kandr10 wrote: »

Is your proposal to open schools and childcare facilities fully now Since the numbers Of cases and deaths are low?

Not what I said at all but with all the pearl clutching going on I'm just pointing out that at least 50% of the working population of Ireland can't work from home.

Because the 'top firms' CEO said so or some banks are allowing it, it's not enough and we all have to back at some stage unless the other 50% is happy to carry the burden for everyone (which isn't going to happen).