FG to just do nothing for the next 5 years.

omega man

No party members or independents just elected want another election.
Time, energy, stress, cost with the risk of losing their seat so soon. Not happening. Someone will make a move.

Spanish Eyes

Whatever we think, stability is going to be important now with Brexit. That will explode in a few months time and cool heads will be needed.

It's all pushed under the carpet at the moment, but that doesn't mean it will not impact on us. Dealing with UK will need pragmatism. Although I do understand that most of the negotiations will come from the Commission and Big PHIL.

SF involvement in Government is not going to help. But they have no one to hold their hands right now, and maybe they are relieved to just place their bums on opposition benches and crib and moan for another few years. IMO they are not fit to govern just yet.

all about the mane

satguy wrote: »

FG + FF means, that 30 year old son / daughter still living with mum & dad, will be still there when they are 40..

What do you expect FG to do?

satguy

all about the mane wrote: »

What do you expect FG to do?

That's just it,, they will do exactly what they have done for the last 3 years,, nothing.

People will still be in tents along the canal, or stuck on a trolly at hospital.
Stuck with mum and dad because rents are too high.

The list goes on..

all about the mane

satguy wrote: »

That's just it,, they will do exactly what they have done for the last 3 years,, nothing.

People will still be in tent along the canal, or stuck on a trolly at hospital.
Stuck with mum and dad because rents are too high.

The list goes on..

You are not answering the question. What do you expect them to do? What do you want them to do?

James Brown

all about the mane wrote: »

You are not answering the question. What do you expect them to do? What do you want them to do?

Stop using and feeding private companies preying on the housing crisis and build social and affordable homes until the market cools.

all about the mane

Bowie wrote: »

Stop using and feeding private companies preying on the housing crisis and build social and affordable homes until the market cools.

They are no longer in power now. What do you want them to do?

Plumbthedepths

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Whatever we think, stability is going to be important now with Brexit. That will explode in a few months time and cool heads will be needed.

It's all pushed under the carpet at the moment, but that doesn't mean it will not impact on us. Dealing with UK will need pragmatism. Although I do understand that most of the negotiations will come from the Commission and Big PHIL.

SF involvement in Government is not going to help. But they have no one to hold their hands right now, and maybe they are relieved to just place their bums on opposition benches and crib and moan for another few years. IMO they are not fit to govern just yet.

All negotiations will come through the commission and their team, all government here and throughout Europe will do is rarify whatever is agreed with UK. Who is in government here is irrelevant.

Jinglejangle69

Fann Linn wrote: »

I feel like banging my head off a brick wall.
Will I spell it out for you?
How the hell can SF form a govt with 37 seats when:
FF won't go with them.
FG won't go with them
And without either of the above a govt cannot be formed which would be anyway stable?

It's not exactly rocket science.

Seems Mary Lou can't do simple maths so seems only yesterday she said she will talk to every other party except FF and FG to see if they can form a government.

Are you saying she was lying because the numbers don't add up?

Jinglejangle69

satguy wrote: »

That's just it,, they will do exactly what they have done for the last 3 years,, nothing.

People will still be in tents along the canal, or stuck on a trolly at hospital.
Stuck with mum and dad because rents are too high.

The list goes on..

So it's over to the rest of the parties.

all about the mane

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

So it's over to the rest of the parties.

I get the feeling the op is just looking to vent. Plenty to complain about when it comes to FG just don’t need to start a stupid thread like this to do it.

gormdubhgorm

smurgen wrote: »

Fine Gael and their designed housing crisis is damaging the economy.thanks FG!

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/housing-crisis-holding-back-growth-in-dublin-economy-1.4165059

Who created NI's housing crisis so? FG as well? :rolleyes:

https://thedetail.tv/articles/social-housing-bb946a8a-43df-450d-b8cd-66d71030cdf3

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-47094643

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/cost-of-renting-rises-faster-in-northern-ireland-than-in-rest-of-uk-report-38196596.html

Just maybe there was more to the housing crisis than FG or any one variable?

gormdubhgorm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Whatever we think, stability is going to be important now with Brexit. That will explode in a few months time and cool heads will be needed.

It's all pushed under the carpet at the moment, but that doesn't mean it will not impact on us. Dealing with UK will need pragmatism. Although I do understand that most of the negotiations will come from the Commission and Big PHIL.

SF involvement in Government is not going to help. But they have no one to hold their hands right now, and maybe they are relieved to just place their bums on opposition benches and crib and moan for another few years. IMO they are not fit to govern just yet.

I believe a lot of old guard have to die off, before people can really take them seriously. 20-30 years maybe?

Fred Cryton

satguy wrote: »

That's just it,, they will do exactly what they have done for the last 3 years,, nothing.

People will still be in tents along the canal, or stuck on a trolly at hospital.
Stuck with mum and dad because rents are too high.

The list goes on..

They don't have to live in the centre of Dublin you know, it's a fairly big country actually.

Idbatterim

satguy wrote: »

That's just it,, they will do exactly what they have done for the last 3 years,, nothing.

People will still be in tents along the canal, or stuck on a trolly at hospital.
Stuck with mum and dad because rents are too high.

The list goes on..

I agree. Dunphy was saying this too , that he strongly expects that will do nothing. I also absolutely believe they will do nothing. Going on past experience

You’d be a bloody brave ffg td to go looking for votes after another few years of comedy government , givejbthe way this has panned out

gormdubhgorm

satguy wrote: »

That's just it,, they will do exactly what they have done for the last 3 years,, nothing.

When I read this I thought it referred to the three years SF collapsed stormont.
Then I realized the 'they' was referring to FG.

Stuck with mum and dad because rents are too high.

This problem is not unique to the Republic of Ireland:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-19936477

seamus

downwesht wrote: »

The new gov must sort the housing and hospital crisis and restore the pension age! Simples!

You're actually not wrong tbh. People didn't vote for Sinn Féin out of allegiance to that party. They voted Sinn Féin because they want the health and housing crises to be fixed.

A FF/FG/Green coalition with a proper programme for Government has the potential to run for a full 5 years.

If in that time, they can make some progress on the health and pensions issues, then they're onto a winner. The housing crisis will have fixed itself in five years' time.

Five years is a long time. If things are better at that point, then voters will forget about the "we wanted change" thing, and SF will be out in the cold again.

It's a gamble of course. The winds can change, economic conditions can change. FG & FF TDs who sense trouble in the air could jump ship to save their own jobs. And if a new election comes up before any decent progress is made, then SF will make big gains.

blanch152

satguy wrote: »

FG + FF means, that 30 year old son / daughter still living with mum & dad, will be still there when they are 40..

On the other hand SF + the mad left coalition would mean that that 30 year old son/daughter will be living in New York, London or Australia when they are 40, given the economic shock that Ireland will have received.

Plumbthedepths

The thread is like an offshoot of 'Ireland Physics live' bunch of experts absolutely confident of the future. lol. Do the Lotto lads should be easy.

osarusan

If FF + FG go into govt together, they'll spend their time working on the issues SF campaigned on, and do everything the can to make SF as unappealing as possible next time, with next time being as far away as they can make it.

It could work, it they do it right, and it last long enough for SF's cries of 'We are being excluded' to die down. And they will savage SF candidates on anything they can, such as Wynne in Clare, with her anti-vax ideas and unpaid debts.

They'll want to go back to the two-party merry-go-round they both benefit from.

Charles Babbage

blanch152 wrote: »

On the other hand SF + the mad left coalition would mean that that 30 year old son/daughter will be living in New York, London or Australia when they are 40, given the economic shock that Ireland will have received.

Traffic and the housing problem can be most quickly solved by tanking the economy. Rents were much lower in 2010 and M50 was traffic free flowing.

Idbatterim

the pension thing is madness, but if they want to bring it to 65, just stop the planned E5 a week hike, as FFG promised over the course of the next five years...

I wonder what the figures are for leaving set up as is and E25 a week more in five years or freezing it and reducing age to 65...

Idbatterim

osarusan wrote: »

If FF + FG go into govt together, they'll spend their time working on the issues SF campaigned on, and do everything the can to make SF as unappealing as possible next time, with next time being as far away as they can make it.

It could work, it they do it right, and it last long enough for SF's cries of 'We are being excluded' to die down. And they will savage SF candidates on anything they can, such as Wynne in Clare, with her anti-vax ideas and unpaid debts.

They'll want to go back to the two-party merry-go-round they both benefit from.

you could well be right, but them deciding to get their fingers out after years of doing nothing, is morally corrupt!

gormdubhgorm

osarusan wrote: »

If FF + FG go into govt together, they'll spend their time working on the issues SF campaigned on, and do everything the can to make SF as unappealing as possible next time, with next time being as far away as they can make it.

It could work, it they do it right, and it last long enough for SF's cries of 'We are being excluded' to die down.

They'll want to go back to the two-party merry-go-round they both benefit from.

True but many of SF's policies many were lifted from the 1932 FF manifesto so FF should not have far too look at least.

https://comeheretome.com/2016/11/29/war-on-the-slums-a-look-at-housing-in-1930s-dublin-part-1/

If SF could clean itself up to be more of a serious ROI party rather than one which has to pander to NI - other parties would be much more amenable to them. And this stand off would not have arisen.

It is normally very difficult for a governing party to retain popularity after an election. People by thier very nature think the grass is greener.

I heard a good point on the radio that many of the independents who supported FG also lost thier seats Katherine Zappone etc. So it clearly was not all party political.

seamus

Idbatterim wrote: »

the pension thing is madness, but if they want to bring it to 65, just stop the planned E5 a week hike, as FFG promised over the course of the next five years...

I wonder what the figures are for leaving set up as is and E25 a week more in five years or freezing it and reducing age to 65...

One thing that has been made abundantly clear to FF & FG now is that they cannot be guaranteed a free ride into government any more by just gilding the pensioners. In five years' time a big chunk of their votes will be dead, and no amount of €5s will bring them back.

Inadvertently, this could bring about the focus that the country has so sorely needed; If the next government is to be FF (and/or FG), then they will have to fight for their lives by paying attention to everyone's needs, and not just those of the wealthy middle classes and pensioners. Students, young workers, the working class, and people with disabilities can't just be ignored.

Idbatterim

seamus wrote: »

One thing that has been made abundantly clear to FF & FG now is that they cannot be guaranteed a free ride into government any more by just gilding the pensioners. In five years' time a big chunk of their votes will be dead, and no amount of €5s will bring them back.

Inadvertently, this could bring about the focus that the country has so sorely needed; If the next government is to be FF (and/or FG), then they will have to fight for their lives by paying attention to everyone's needs, and not just those of the wealthy middle classes and pensioners. Students, young workers, the working class, and people with disabilities can't just be ignored.

I totally agree and thank god for this. What has been going on for decades here is morally corrupt. Infrastructure starved of investment for example, mental health budgets slashed, but hundreds of millions for welfare increases every year :rolleyes:

The thing is, they can do that with the pension age, reduce it to 65, but they cant then also increase the rate... This magic money tree that SF are accussed of, the vast majoirty of electorate are guilty of it. If we keep the current tax and spend set up as is (and we hate change here) then forget big welfare increases going forward. Far more needs to be spent on infrastrucutre, servicing debt, the health black hole and every day spending...

storker

splinter65 wrote: »

We’ve 100% employment. I know that means nothing to some people, and is even a source of embarrassment but it’s actually quite impressive.

What did FG do to achieve 100% employment?

hmmm

Fann Linn wrote: »

How the hell can SF form a govt with 37 seats when:
FF won't go with them.
FG won't go with them
And without either of the above a govt cannot be formed which would be anyway stable?

That's SF's problem, the same as it has been for every government.

They're going to have to learn how to negotiate rather than simply be a party of protest. The other parties got 70% of the vote, they owe Sinn Fein nothing. SF need to reach out to the other parties and show that they are capable of forming a government.

Tacitus Kilgore

storker wrote: »

What did FG do to achieve 100% employment?

While they were in power - construction came back booming again, full employment in that sector at the moment, many firms & trades seriously struggling for numbers.

storker

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

While they were in power - construction came back booming again, full employment in that sector at the moment, many firms & trades seriously struggling for numbers.

That's not what I asked, though.