FG to just do nothing for the next 5 years.

Blazer

Yurt! wrote: »

Nope, never said that. Nor did I even imply it in any post on any thread.

Are you ****ting me?
It’s in your post ffs.


Then accept your role as second fiddle to a larger party and get involved in trying to form a government for the good of the country instead of sulking in the corner declaring yourselves leaders of the opposition.

Yurt2

Blazer wrote: »

Are you ****ting me?
It’s in your post ffs.


Then accept your role as second fiddle to a larger party and get involved in trying to form a government for the good of the country instead of sulking in the corner declaring yourselves leaders of the opposition.

If you were actually paying attention I said FG should accept their role as second fiddle to FF in coalition negotiations if they are to avoid another election.

But you weren't paying attention, so you're swearing into the universe instead. Take a xanax.

Mortelaro

Yurt! wrote: »

If you were actually paying attention I said FG should accept their role as second fiddle to FF in coalition negotiations if they are to avoid another election.

But you weren't paying attention, so you're swearing into the universe instead. Take a xanax.

Seriously if you say one thing in one post and the opposite in another and maintain in the next post that it's the first you meant and and in the next that you never said the 2nd and 4 posts before, you did say it,you either think thread readers here are zombies or you are posting for posting sake or bored
Regardless it looks foolish of you

satguy

Looking at some of the very tight seats FG managed to win on 5th or 6th counts should make them very worried.

If we go back to the people for a second GE,, I think FG will be lucky to win 29 seats. Because SF and other left Parties would do 2 things.

Run running mates with poll toppers, and ,, ensure they remind voters to transfer to left.

Yurt2

Mortelaro wrote: »

Seriously if you say one thing in one post and the opposite in another and maintain in the next post that it's the first you meant and and in the next that you never said the 2nd and 4 posts before, you did say it,you either think thread readers here are zombies or you are posting for posting sake or bored
Regardless it looks foolish of you

Have another read of it, or don't. Don't really care. I was explicitly talking about FG and their stance on being a junior in a possible coalition with FF and not one with SF.

average_runner

satguy wrote: »

Looking at some of the very tight seats FG managed to win on 5th or 6th counts should make them very worried.

If we go back to the people for a second GE,, I think FG will be lucky to win 29 seats. Because SF and other left Parties would do 2 things.

Run running mates with poll toppers, and ,, ensure they remind voters to transfer to left.

That will suit FG. Better to sit on the fence and see are SF the real deal or just all talk.

Sometimes defense is the best play

Mortelaro

satguy wrote: »

Looking at some of the very tight seats FG managed to win on 5th or 6th counts should make them very worried.

If we go back to the people for a second GE,, I think FG will be lucky to win 29 seats. Because SF and other left Parties would do 2 things.

Run running mates with poll toppers, and ,, ensure they remind voters to transfer to left.

Oh I doubt that's the direction of travel here
Sinn Féin will be in government
People before profit etc will not
Pretty soon the latter will be turning fire on Sinn Féin once many of the promises get shelved

Yurt2

average_runner wrote: »

That will suit FG. Better to sit on the fence and see are SF the real deal or just all talk.

Sometimes defense is the best play

This would be a grand stance to take if only FG would publicly admit to the electorate they're going in the opposite direction to power, and are taking a knee not in the national interest but to nurse their bruises.

Mortelaro

Yurt! wrote: »

Have another read of it, or don't. Don't really care. I was explicitly talking about FG and their stance on being a junior in a possible coalition with FF and not one with SF.

You already know FG only ever said they'd go with FF as a very last resort,so their mandate is to let FF and the other parties have at it and only step in if nothing works
You already know this and keep ignoring that to scrape the bottom of your Fg hate barrel

Edgware

Mortelaro wrote: »

Oh I doubt that's the direction of travel here
Sinn Féin will be in government
People before profit etc will not
Pretty soon the latter will be turning fire on Sinn Féin once many of the promises get shelved

The Trotskyist versus the Slabists

average_runner

Yurt! wrote: »

This would be a grand stance to take if only FG would publicly admit to the electorate they're going in the opposite direction to power, and are taking a knee not in the national interest but to nurse their bruises.

They made it clear before the election they wouldn't go in government with SF and said it after the election also. So I respect them for sticking to it, unlike FF who will jump into bed with anyone to get power.

Yurt2

Mortelaro wrote: »

Fg hate barrel

Sounds like an awesome name for a death metal band

jimgoose

Yurt! wrote: »

This would be a grand stance to take if only FG would publicly admit to the electorate they're going in the opposite direction to power, and are taking a knee not in the national interest but to nurse their bruises.

Has anyone in FG said, or even implied, that they're staying away from government "in the national interest"?

Mortelaro

Yurt! wrote: »

Sounds like an awesome name for a death metal band

Yurt2

average_runner wrote: »

They made it clear before the election they wouldn't go in government with SF and said it after the election also. So I respect them for sticking to it, unlike FF who will jump into bed with anyone to get power.

I was never making the suggestion FG would go into coalition with SF, I was speaking about a tie-up with FF with FG as a junior partner.

Mortelaro

Yurt! wrote: »

I was never making the suggestion FG would go into coalition with SF, I was speaking about a tie-up with FF with FG as a junior partner.

That's zero likelihood
An informal Tallaght strategy is more likely pending outrage from the masses at whatever it is that goes wrong

Blazer

Yurt! wrote: »

I was never making the suggestion FG would go into coalition with SF, I was speaking about a tie-up with FF with FG as a junior partner.

Why on earth would they do that, it would be the death knell for parties.
Not that it wouldn’t be a bad thing still.

Blazer

Yurt! wrote: »

I was never making the suggestion FG would go into coalition with SF, I was speaking about a tie-up with FF with FG as a junior partner.

Why on earth would they do that, it would be the death knell for parties.
Not that it wouldn’t be a bad thing still.

Yurt2

Blazer wrote: »

Why on earth would they do that, it would be the death knell for parties.
Not that it wouldn’t be a bad thing still.

Precisely. If this is the only marriage left on the table, and they spurn the opportunity to make it; we go back to the polls (a Tallaght strategy type arrangement is not feasible with these numbers).

The public will deserve damn good answers why this transpired. Not that they'll be given them, so further hurt for both at the ballot box.

Mortelaro

A Tallaght strategy is simply abstaining on votes
Both FF and FG can do that and you have your left wing government
OR SF,the greens and FF can coalesce with FG abstaining on most things,letting them on with it,criticising none the less

Thats called waiting in the long grass and its consistent with their mandate

Yurt2

Mortelaro wrote: »

A Tallaght strategy is simply abstaining on votes
Both FF and FG can do that and you have your left wing government
OR SF,the greens and FF can coalesce with FG abstaining on most things,letting them on with it,criticising none the less

Thats called waiting in the long grass and its consistent with their mandate

I know what it is. One party keeping all its troops to the abstentionist line is difficult enough to have a stable government. Two (or more) just wouldn't be a runner, and while it could be attempted, I think all parties across the Dail know it would be waste of time.

Simon Coveney also drew a line through another S&C deal, and the above arrangement is riskier still - so in terms of the likelihood of that happening, I'd rate it as extremely unlikely.

satguy

It wont happen,, but , if FG and FF do try to get together, they still need the Green party.

So if FG and FF have been in power for the last 3 years with the help of this magic S&C agreement. How can the greens then say they are looking for change, if they then just keep FG and FF in power.

I think they would be wiped out at the next GE ..

average_runner

Yurt! wrote: »

I was never making the suggestion FG would go into coalition with SF, I was speaking about a tie-up with FF with FG as a junior partner.

But the country wants SF not FF

Mortelaro

Yurt! wrote: »

Simon Coveney also drew a line through another S&C deal, and the above arrangement is riskier still - so in terms of the likelihood of that happening, I'd rate it as extremely unlikely.

Actually a Tallaght strategy is very doable
FG t.d's arent eejits or lemmings

Meanwhile SF are already peeing off one of the main populist papers

https://twitter.com/oconnellhugh/status/1227916423982391298?s=09

Plumbthedepths

average_runner wrote: »

But the country wants SF not FF

Actually 44% voted for FF/FG, knowing that they were in government together for the last four years. 24% voted for SF.

average_runner

satguy wrote: »

It wont happen,, but , if FG and FF do try to get together, they still need the Green party.

So if FG and FF have been in power for the last 3 years with the help of this magic S&C agreement. How can the greens then say they are looking for change, if they then just keep FG and FF in power.

I think they would be wiped out at the next GE ..

All three would be wiped, hence SF wants that.

FG should and will let SF do all the work now.

Yurt2

Mortelaro wrote: »

Actually a Tallaght strategy is very doable
FG t.d's arent eejits or lemmings

I'm sure everyone reading this, and even FG supporters can think of more than a few who would fit that description, and they might use stronger words than that.

James Brown

Yurt! wrote: »

I'm sure everyone reading this, and even FG supporters can think of more than a few who would fit that description, and they might use stronger words than that.

If I may...

A FINE GAEL TD has warned that Ireland faces “an ISIS situation” if the more extreme elements of water charge protests are not “nipped in the bud”.
https://www.thejournal.ie/fine-gael-td-noel-coonan-water-charges-isis-situation-1790877-Nov2014/

The stability thing was a con. It was the only way FG could square a deal with FF after slagging them off as the worst thing ever in the previous election.
Varadkar has stormed out in a huff and Martin wants to be king, but no SF. So It's looking like a left alliance or an election.

average_runner

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Actually 44% voted for FF/FG, knowing that they were in government together for the last four years. 24% voted for SF.

But how much voted for FF and FG on their own?

Alot voted for their party as they said wouldn't go into government together

PressRun

Micheal Martin wants to be Taoiseach. That's it really.