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FG to just do nothing for the next 5 years.
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I know what it is. One party keeping all its troops to the abstentionist line is difficult enough to have a stable government. Two (or more) just wouldn't be a runner, and while it could be attempted, I think all parties across the Dail know it would be waste of time.
I will defer to your superior sinn fein knowledge on abstentionist tactics.
Micheal Martin wants to be Taoiseach. That's it really.
But are his party willing to facilitate it at the expense of the party ?Plumbthedepths wrote: »Listening to the radio, Martin got the backing of his party to refuse to talk to SF, so it looks like it's FF/FG and a.n.other.
Being saying for years FF and FG should coalesce and stop the pretence they are different. If the election achieves nothing else I'm happy with that outcome. We can then have a proper opposition.
Has it crossed the minds of the shinners how it will play out in future elections, if after all their bluster they allow FF and FG to form another government and continue as is ?
I mean your were given a mandate for change and the only change you attempted was to force the other parties to form a government, all the while you gave nothing to your voters.
Yes you can argue that there isn't any difference between FF and FG, but on the other hand you look like a bunch of spoofers who haven't the balls to have a go.
I find it really funny how shinners are demanding that others compromise their positions and principles, of course for the good of the country, but sinn fein it appears don't have to do any such thing.
Then again some might argue sinn fein never had many principles to begin with.
For sinn fein to achieve single party government you will have to up the vote considerably.
The last time someone won real outright victory was Lynch in 77 and he had over 50% of the vote.
There isn't a snow balls chance in hell of there being that amount of people in Ireland that are so disaffected \ disillusioned and economically illiterate to give the current sinn fein that type of vote.0 -
I will defer to your superior sinn fein knowledge on abstentionist tactics.
But are his party willing to facilitate it at the expense of the party ?
Has it crossed the minds of the shinners how it will play out in future elections, if after all their bluster they allow FF and FG to form another government and continue as is ?
I mean your were given a mandate for change and the only change you attempted was to force the other parties to form a government, all the while you gave nothing to your voters.
Yes you can argue that there isn't any difference between FF and FG, but on the other hand you look like a bunch of spoofers who haven't the balls to have a go.
For sinn fein to achieve single party government you will have to up the vote considerably.
The last time someone won real outright victory was Lynch in 77 and he had over 50% of the vote.
There isn't a snow balls chance in hell of there being that amount of people in Ireland that are so disaffected \ disillusioned and economically illiterate to give the current sinn fein that type of vote.
Has it occurred to you that all commentary from those that know what they are talking about ( you clearly don't) that the numbers for a SF led government does not exist. Any doubt you may have get a calculator and see can you get to 80 . That's the required amount of seats unless either FF or FG was willing to offer a C and S arrangement which has also been ruled out.
The rest of your comment what I can I say, its just plain stupid and smacks of the usual arrogance portrayed by many here.0 -
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I will defer to your superior sinn fein knowledge on abstentionist tactics.
But are his party willing to facilitate it at the expense of the party ?
Has it crossed the minds of the shinners how it will play out in future elections, if after all their bluster they allow FF and FG to form another government and continue as is ?
I mean your were given a mandate for change and the only change you attempted was to force the other parties to form a government, all the while you gave nothing to your voters.
Yes you can argue that there isn't any difference between FF and FG, but on the other hand you look like a bunch of spoofers who haven't the balls to have a go.
I find it really funny how shinners are demanding that others compromise their positions and principles, of course for the good of the country, but sinn fein it appears don't have to do any such thing.
Then again some might argue sinn fein never had many principles to begin with.
For sinn fein to achieve single party government you will have to up the vote considerably.
The last time someone won real outright victory was Lynch in 77 and he had over 50% of the vote.
There isn't a snow balls chance in hell of there being that amount of people in Ireland that are so disaffected \ disillusioned and economically illiterate to give the current sinn fein that type of vote.
what in sh*the are you on about??0 -
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