FG to just do nothing for the next 5 years.

johnmcdnl

bunderoon wrote: »

Vast majority people here are not well off, they live week to week. A small percentage have a little in the bank.

2019 "Four out of five people have savings - BPFI research"
https://www.rte.ie/amp/1094458/

"Dublin Millennials are the most likely of any demographic of Irish adults to have savings, with 88% of people aged 25-37 living in the capital having some money put aside,"
https://extra.ie/2019/11/22/business/irish/dublin-millennials-most-likely-savings

2017 "64% OF IRISH PEOPLE HAVE AN AVERAGE OF �46,000 ON DEPOSIT"
https://www.businessworld.ie/financial-news/64-of-Irish-people-have-an-average-of-46-000-on-deposit--568807.html

2016 "Half of Irish adults have €32k stashed away in savings"
https://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/latest-news/half-of-irish-adults-have-32k-stashed-away-in-savings-34619062.htm


With the caveat that averages can be skewed of course, but it appears more than a small few have something in the bank.

Yurt2

johnmcdnl wrote: »

2019 "Four out of five people have savings - BPFI research"
https://www.rte.ie/amp/1094458/

"Dublin Millennials are the most likely of any demographic of Irish adults to have savings, with 88% of people aged 25-37 living in the capital having some money put aside,"
https://extra.ie/2019/11/22/business/irish/dublin-millennials-most-likely-savings

2017 "64% OF IRISH PEOPLE HAVE AN AVERAGE OF �46,000 ON DEPOSIT"
https://www.businessworld.ie/financial-news/64-of-Irish-people-have-an-average-of-46-000-on-deposit--568807.html

2016 "Half of Irish adults have €32k stashed away in savings"
https://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/latest-news/half-of-irish-adults-have-32k-stashed-away-in-savings-34619062.htm


With the caveat that averages can be skewed of course, but it appears more than a small few have something in the bank.

As you rightly said, you run into the problem of average vs median, particularly the 46k figure, which makes things sound way rosier than they actually are I suspect.

The 50% of adults with over 32k set aside sounds a bit more like what's going on (especially as people from their mid 20s onwards are saving for a deposit), but the link is broken so I can't see how they are arriving at that figure.

blanch152

Bowie wrote: »

The people there for Lyra or the police?
You seem ignorant on what dissidents are. FG/Lab made one a senator so the Lyra killers have more connection to FG.

You are awful bitter for someone who thought they won the election.

bunderoon

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Greece is o in the EU. If your theory is correct then why do they have 16% unemployment now while we are at full employment? They had the same access to credit as us.

Coukd it be that they turned to SF twin Sryzia while we got FG?

Are you serious?
If you are:
1) Greece isn't a tax haven like we are.
2) It has twice the corporate tax rate that we pretend to enforce. This is why we have major HQs here for global companies. (For now)
3) We are an english speaking country.
4) We let loads of companies that are VAT exempt.
5) We are closer to mainland western Europe than they are and have England as a buffer.


Speaking of Greece, one thing they did was pushed and negotiated a massive write down in their debt. Enda Kenny didn't even ask about doing that. Any relief that we could have go could have saved some of our people jumping into planes or jumping into rivers. The media never speaks of all of the suicides that relate to increased taxes and charges that we now pay. Those were the tipping point for many where once they could afford to feed and house their families, they then had to choose between housing and eating.
10s of Billions wasted and 1000s homeless and 1000s more on hospital beds or waiting to get treated.
Ad yet we vote for FF and FG like they dont have blood on their hands.

I fear some dont see the bigger picture here.

bunderoon

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Greece is o in the EU. If your theory is correct then why do they have 16% unemployment now while we are at full employment? They had the same access to credit as us.

Coukd it be that they turned to SF twin Sryzia while we got FG?

Are you serious?
If you are:
1) Greece isn't a tax haven like we are.
2) It has twice the corporate tax rate that we pretend to enforce. This is why we have major HQs here for global companies. (For now)
3) We are an english speaking country.
4) We let loads of companies that are VAT exempt.
5) We are closer to mainland western Europe than they are and have England as a buffer.


Speaking of Greece, one thing they did was pushed and negotiated a massive write down in their debt. Enda Kenny didn't even ask about doing that. Any relief that we could have go could have saved some of our people jumping into planes or jumping into rivers. The media never speaks of all of the suicides that relate to increased taxes and charges that we now pay. Those were the tipping point for many where once they could afford to feed and house their families, they then had to choose between housing and eating.
10s of Billions wasted and 1000s homeless and 1000s more on hospital beds or waiting to get treated.
Ad yet we vote for FF and FG like they dont have blood on their hands.

I fear some dont see the bigger picture here.

Yurt2

Greece had one of the worst tax collection authorities in the developed world, and as is commonly noted, tax evasion was a Greek national sport. Evreyone from Greek elites to the lad riding the donkey through the village was at it. Irish people, believe it or not, are actually very good at paying their taxes (and it helps we have an excellent and fairly ruthless Revenue service).

This may be an apocryphal tale, but I heard that when the Troika heavies arrived in Athens to crack some skulls, they paid a visit to the Greek national statistics agency. Their heads nearly popped when the saw nothing was filed properly, critical stat databases were missing and the agency appeared to be plucking numbers out of their hoop and publishing them without a care in the world.

We had our problems, but it needs to be recognised that Greece was f*cked up in all sorts of ways that we weren't.

Plumbthedepths

Yurt! wrote: »

Greece had one of the worst tax collection authorities in the developed world, and as is commonly noted, tax evasion was a Greek national sport. Evreyone from Greek elites to the lad riding the donkey through the village was at it. Irish people, belive it or not, are actually very good at paying their taxes (and it helps we have an excellent and fairly ruthless Revenue service).

This may be an apocryphal tale, but I heard that when the Troika heavies arrived in Athens to crack some skulls, they paid a visit to the Greek national statistics agency. Their heads nearly popped when the saw nothing was filed properly, critical stat databases were missing and the agency appeared to be plucking numbers out of their hoop and publishing them without a care in the world.

We had our problems, but it needs to be recognised that Greece was f*cked up in all sorts of ways that we weren't.

Greece should have never have been permitted to join the EURO but with the assistance of a well known international accounting/banking organisation and the willingness of those in Brussels to turn a blind eye they were.

Yurt2

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Greece should have never have been permitted to join the EURO but with the assistance of a well known international accounting/banking organisation and the willingness of those in Brussels to turn a blind eye they were.

Correct. A lot of people outside of Greece were complicit on what went on there.

bunderoon

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Greece should have never have been permitted to join the EURO but with the assistance of a well known international accounting/banking organisation and the willingness of those in Brussels to turn a blind eye they were.

Three ways to take over a country;
1) Invade with a military
2) manufacture a coup.
3) Saddle them with a debt that they can never pay back.
-- issue them a line of credit and let them think they are rich. They'll buy expensive cars, houses (some in other countries.) 3 holidays a year. (Sound familiar??)
Then stop their line of credit and since they dont print their own money, then cant pay it back.
Now the debt is a tool to extract every last valuable state asset they have; all the while they are scrambling to pay the interest on new debt they've borrowed to pay the old debt.

jimmycrackcorm

bunderoon wrote: »

Three ways to take over a country;
1) Invade with a military
2) manufacture a coup.
3) Saddle them with a debt that they can never pay back.
-- issue them a line of credit and let them think they are rich. They'll buy expensive cars, houses (some in other countries.) 3 holidays a year. (Sound familiar??)
Then stop their line of credit and since they dont print their own money, then cant pay it back.
Now the debt is a tool to extract every last valuable state asset they have; all the while they are scrambling to pay the interest on new debt they've borrowed to pay the old debt.

You forgot no. 4 where we elect a SF government who will give us socialist utopian country like Cuba or Venezuela.

What about all that oil we have in the sea? Surely SF could build oil rigs to pay for their promises.

Yurt2

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

You forgot no. 4 where we elect a SF government who will give us socialist utopian country like Cuba or Venezuela.

What about all that oil we have in the sea? Surely SF could build oil rigs to pay for their promises.

Reading this post is like playing Chicken Little bingo.

smurgen

FG will do nothing for housing if elected.theyve done done nothing in the last 9 years despite experts in the area saying how our housing situation would damage the economy.they are not fit to govern. This article written in 2014 by a professor is interesting :
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https://twitter.com/RoryHearne/status/1228603409080688641?s=19

is_that_so

Yurt! wrote: »

Correct. A lot of people outside of Greece were complicit on what went on there.

But it was predominantly the Greeks playing silly buggers!

Plumbthedepths

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

You forgot no. 4 where we elect a SF government who will give us socialist utopian country like Cuba or Venezuela.

What about all that oil we have in the sea? Surely SF could build oil rigs to pay for their promises.

There is no four, i"'m surprised all ye experts that can tell the future aren't Lotto millionaires already.

Yurt2

is_that_so wrote: »

But it was predominantly the Greeks playing silly buggers!

A little from column A, a little from column B.

UDAWINNER

handlemaster wrote: »

SF voters


https://m.independent.ie/videos/irish-news/lyra-mckee-court-case-paul-mcintyre-supporters-clash-with-police-38954778.html

you do realise that dissidents have nothing to do with SF or if you don't read some books on the subject and maybe you should direct this to FG/Labour voters as they voted for one of them to be a Senator.

Plumbthedepths

is_that_so wrote: »

But it was predominantly the Greeks playing silly buggers!

Yep the Greeks were playing silly beggers there was also well paid silly beggers outside of Greece that let them enter the currency with a nod and a wink.
The French and Germans advanced massive loans to the Greeks to enable them buy large amounts of French and German military hardware.

UDAWINNER

all about the mane wrote: »

Just look north to get an indication of what SF are all about

you do realise that is the british govt controls the purse strings up there.

Markcheese

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

SF largest opposition party , I suspect they will be happy with that.

Unless there is a stable government,that takes note of the kick in the arse that they got ... That could kill the SF swing ...

bunderoon

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

You forgot no. 4 where we elect a SF government who will give us socialist utopian country like Cuba or Venezuela.

What about all that oil we have in the sea? Surely SF could build oil rigs to pay for their promises.

Please tell me you arent falling for the media's narrative that will be a left wing /socialist government.
The Gov is supposed to be of the people. Equality of opportunity. Not to be held back by politicians who work for big business.

smurgen

Christ Harris hasn't done a tap in the last few years but he sure is quick off the mark to try turn someone else's tragedy about him. Bit rich too seems as FG never discussed mental health over the course of the election.

https://twitter.com/SimonHarrisTD/status/1228754722405978113?s=19

ThunbergsAreGo

smurgen wrote: »

Christ Harris hasn't done a tap in the last few years but he sure is quick off the mark to try turn someone else's tragedy about him. Bit rich too seems as FG never discussed mental health over the course of the election.

https://twitter.com/SimonHarrisTD/status/1228754722405978113?s=19

He is correct though

Plumbthedepths

Markcheese wrote: »

Unless there is a stable government,that takes note of the kick in the arse that they got ... That could kill the SF swing ...

Well then if a government takes note and acts isn't it a win for the voter?

Beasty

handlemaster wrote: »

SF voters


https://m.independent.ie/videos/irish-news/lyra-mckee-court-case-paul-mcintyre-supporters-clash-with-police-38954778.html

UDAWINNER wrote: »

you do realise that dissidents have nothing to do with SF or if you don't read some books on the subject and maybe you should direct this to FG/Labour voters as they voted for one of them to be a Senator.

This thread has nothing to do with the Lyra McKee murder, so leave that issue there

Any questions PM me

bunderoon

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

He is correct though

Words by the powerless joe soap is one thing.
Inaction by a politician in charge of Health which directly affects the lives (and deaths) of 10,000s is a whole different universe.

Only a psycho would use a death of a person to try and deflect our attention away from the shambles that he has overseen.

ThunbergsAreGo

bunderoon wrote: »

Words by the powerless joe soap is one thing.
Inaction by a politician in charge of Health which directly affects the lives (and deaths) of 10,000s is a whole different universe.

Only a psycho would use a death of a person to try and deflect our attention away from the shambles that he has overseen.

I don't think he's using it to draw attention away from thing. He himself has had awful things said about him and to him online by faceless accounts. Trolling and online abuse IS a problem

Plumbthedepths

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

He is correct though

Is mental health services not in his remit? These services are seriously underfunded yet €20 million found for the FAI. Some seriously f**ked up priorities tbh.

ThunbergsAreGo

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Is mental health services not in his remit? These services are seriously underfunded yet €20 million found for the FAI. Some seriously f**ked up priorities tbh.

Believing mental health is underfunded and that online trolling and hate is a bad thing are not mutually exclusive thoughts

Plumbthedepths

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Believing mental health is underfunded and that online trolling and hate is a bad thing are not mutually exclusive thoughts

It's difficult to stop online hate and trolling. It's very easy to fund mental health services if the will is there.

smurgen

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Believing mental health is underfunded and that online trolling and hate is a bad thing are not mutually exclusive thoughts

So we should stop complaining of a minister who's criminally inept and out of his depth in case we hurt his feelings? If fg out him out of his misery it would take alot of stress off him and the public animosity would be quelled.