Yurt! wrote: » I'm sure everyone reading this, and even FG supporters can think of more than a few who would fit that description, and they might use stronger words than that.
Bowie wrote: » . So It's looking like a left alliance or an election.
average_runner wrote: » But how much voted for FF and FG on their own? Alot voted for their party as they said wouldn't go into government together
nacho libre wrote: » It's looking like Leo and Michael will try to come to some sort of arrangement with Eamon.
Jinglejangle69 wrote: » Look Mary Lou clearly stared FF or FG in government would be a disaster for the country and she doesn't want to facilitate that. So she won't go in with them or else she will look silly.
Yurt! wrote: » I know what it is. One party keeping all its troops to the abstentionist line is difficult enough to have a stable government. Two (or more) just wouldn't be a runner, and while it could be attempted, I think all parties across the Dail know it would be waste of time.
PressRun wrote: » Micheal Martin wants to be Taoiseach. That's it really.
Plumbthedepths wrote: » Listening to the radio, Martin got the backing of his party to refuse to talk to SF, so it looks like it's FF/FG and a.n.other. Being saying for years FF and FG should coalesce and stop the pretence they are different. If the election achieves nothing else I'm happy with that outcome. We can then have a proper opposition.
jmayo wrote: » I will defer to your superior sinn fein knowledge on abstentionist tactics. But are his party willing to facilitate it at the expense of the party ? Has it crossed the minds of the shinners how it will play out in future elections, if after all their bluster they allow FF and FG to form another government and continue as is ? I mean your were given a mandate for change and the only change you attempted was to force the other parties to form a government, all the while you gave nothing to your voters. Yes you can argue that there isn't any difference between FF and FG, but on the other hand you look like a bunch of spoofers who haven't the balls to have a go. For sinn fein to achieve single party government you will have to up the vote considerably. The last time someone won real outright victory was Lynch in 77 and he had over 50% of the vote. There isn't a snow balls chance in hell of there being that amount of people in Ireland that are so disaffected \ disillusioned and economically illiterate to give the current sinn fein that type of vote.
Plumbthedepths wrote: » Has it occurred to you that all commentary from those that know what they are talking about ( you clearly don't) that the numbers for a SF led government does not exist. Any doubt you may have get a calculator and see can you get to 80 . That's the required amount of seats unless either FF or FG was willing to offer a C and S arrangement which has also been ruled out. The rest of your comment what I am I say it just plain stupid
jmayo wrote: » So will SF go in with FF if FF agree ?
satguy wrote: » It seems FG will be very happy to just sit on their hands for 5 years. Would FG voters be happy with this, as it means all those FG votes mean nothing, and do nothing. Having been in power for 9 years, they did nothing, people have no homes, people still on trollies. FG may have given some of their rich buddies some tax breaks. But other than that, they did what FG do best, are their poor hands not numb by now.
jmayo wrote: » I will defer to your superior sinn fein knowledge on abstentionist tactics. But are his party willing to facilitate it at the expense of the party ? Has it crossed the minds of the shinners how it will play out in future elections, if after all their bluster they allow FF and FG to form another government and continue as is ? I mean your were given a mandate for change and the only change you attempted was to force the other parties to form a government, all the while you gave nothing to your voters. Yes you can argue that there isn't any difference between FF and FG, but on the other hand you look like a bunch of spoofers who haven't the balls to have a go. I find it really funny how shinners are demanding that others compromise their positions and principles, of course for the good of the country, but sinn fein it appears don't have to do any such thing. Then again some might argue sinn fein never had many principles to begin with. For sinn fein to achieve single party government you will have to up the vote considerably. The last time someone won real outright victory was Lynch in 77 and he had over 50% of the vote. There isn't a snow balls chance in hell of there being that amount of people in Ireland that are so disaffected \ disillusioned and economically illiterate to give the current sinn fein that type of vote.
satguy wrote: » It looks like it's a second GE. I have said already that I can't see FG doing better than 29 seats if SF and other Left parties place running mates with poll toppers. But if the greens have not been seen seeking change, or have been seen looking to keep FG and FF in power, it's back to 1 or 2 seats for them. The very same can also be said for FF, holding hands with Leo would / will be punnished in a second GE.
jmayo wrote: » Has it crossed the minds of the shinners how it will play out in future elections, if after all their bluster they allow FF and FG to form another government and continue as is?
omega man wrote: » Shinners are gas. Seem to want FF in government after everything they’ve said. So much for ‘winning’ the election and a left mandate for change.
Fann Linn wrote: » I feel like banging my head off a brick wall. Will I spell it out for you? How the hell can SF form a govt with 37 seats when: FF won't go with them. FG won't go with them And without either of the above a govt cannot be formed which would be anyway stable? It's not exactly rocket science.
Bowie wrote: » Leo said he's looking forward to opposition.
omega man wrote: » So there’s no mandate for change then?
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Eh full employment recovery from the crash, brexit renegotiation etc. SF have been in power for over 20 years in NI what have they achieved that has been better than FG? What have FG done that was worse than SF in half the time FG had? SF's record in NIhttps://inequality.org/research/sinn-fein-austerity-record/ Tax cuts and power given WM despite SDLP criticism.https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/sinn-f%C3%A9in-under-fire-over-welfare-cuts-move-1.2435441 That is before we get into health in NIhttps://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:RVTQ7CyHeagJ:https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/thousands-of-nurses-in-northern-ireland-strike-over-pay-1.4133733+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ie Or the fact that ROI has built nearly twice as much completed houses percentage wise- than NI- 17% in 2019 as per the previous year 2018.NI completed housing increased only 10% in 2019 on the previous year 2018https://www.communities-ni.gov.uk/system/files/publications/communities/ni-housing-stats-18-19-full-copy.PDF ROI CSO housing new completions 2019https://www.cso.ie/en/statistics/construction/newdwellingcompletions/ --- So who is codding who here if FG have done so badly where is the evidence compared to SF in government in NI? Plus if anyone has sat on thier hands it was SF they refused to go to WM to try and stop Brexit. They did not sit in stormont for three years!
