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dzilla · 24-02-2019 11:38am

Do cassette stoves need back stone cladding or tiling on the wall around it? I am looking at putting one in a square space about 2ft from ground level on a wall I have. My stove fitter is mentioned that the walls could crack with the heat however the majority of pictures I see of the cassette stoves have painted walls behind them.

This is the look I want I don't want cladding or tiling or a mantle piece. Is this achievable?

See link for reference -
https://goo.gl/images/tvYoyF

Water John · 24-02-2019 1:38pm

There is a heat resistant board you can put on the chimney breast and plaster with special plaster. Maybe 20mm, you won't notice it. We did it putting in a new gas fire, would recommend it.

youngblood · 25-02-2019 9:04am

vtecdec wrote: »

Seen the Heat Design Vitae 9kw Cassette Stove recently in a Stove/Fireplace showroom.
Looks to be a very tidy stove alright?
Anyone here have one of these Vitae 9Kw stoves. Any comments/feedback whether good/bad would be quite useful as I plan to purchase at the weekend.

Thanks in advance.

Lovely Stove, no real problems since installing 3 years ago
Only thing I've had to replace is the baffle- The brick that hangs in the center of the stove
I've had to replace it twice
First covered by the shop, second one this year brand new was 80e

Orchids · 06-03-2019 8:39pm

dzilla wrote: »

Do cassette stoves need back stone cladding or tiling on the wall around it? I am looking at putting one in a square space about 2ft from ground level on a wall I have. My stove fitter is mentioned that the walls could crack with the heat however the majority of pictures I see of the cassette stoves have painted walls behind them.

This is the look I want I don't want cladding or tiling or a mantle piece. Is this achievable?

See link for reference -
https://goo.gl/images/tvYoyF

We have this and didn’t put anything around the stove as I wanted the same look as you, we have stove in 3 years and had some very small cracks that were barely noticeable, I sanded them down during the summer and painted over and it turned out perfect

dzilla · 07-03-2019 12:37pm

Orchids wrote: »

We have this and didn’t put anything around the stove as I wanted the same look as you, we have stove in 3 years and had some very small cracks that were barely noticeable, I sanded them down during the summer and painted over and it turned out perfect

Hey, thanks for getting back to me, we went to a different stove company who advised we would not need the cladding. thanks for letting me know that you have the same setup always good to hear something has been done already

CantThinkOfANam · 09-03-2019 7:56pm

Hi all,

Just in the process if buying a new build house.

The house in question is heated by gas central heating and has an energy rating of A3. It has no chimney so obviously no wood burning stove, or electric fire in the sitting room.

We really want to put a wood burning stove into the room, purely for comfort and effect. I’ve got a engineer to check if it’s possible and there’s no problem with an internal flue going up along the inside wall.

The problem is, we are worried the room might be too warm with the stove running as a few people have mentioned this.

The room is 23.7m2 or 66.3m3.

Has anybody any opinion on this? We looked at electric fires but still not the same as a wood burning stove. And we have viewed some other new builds with smaller sitting rooms that have a stove in place.

Cheers.

Water John · 09-03-2019 10:15pm

Be sure the radiator in the room is on a thermostat. Would think stove needs to be 5Kw or less, engineer should spec it. Would the stove need an external air source?

CantThinkOfANam · 09-03-2019 11:16pm

Yes I was speaking to someone in a store today and they said there would need to be a copper pipe put through the wall for an air source.

CantThinkOfANam · 11-03-2019 2:28pm

Sorry my mistake, it’ll obviously need more than a copper pipe air source from outside.

Am I mad to do this on an A rated house?

greenbamboo · 14-03-2019 6:39pm

Would ye recommend the 6.5Kw Stanley Cara insert stove or should I go for the Stanley oisin 6.4kw freestanding. A lot of people telling me il get much better heat from oisin but surely the cara will have the room just as warm if nearly the same kw? The cara looks very nice and neat for a sitting room in an existing curved Lombard fireplace. any opinions are appreciated. Thanks

https://www.countrylife.ie/shop/product/Stanley-Cara-Insert-Stove-Non-Boiler/9042200?gclid=CjwKCAjw96fkBRA2EiwAKZjFTdjMwWjGBUvejZGwNuB1Ru4g_Bts3YJldraqZ2wHdh9vQVpuAFOmnBoCig0QAvD_BwE

Forge83 · 14-03-2019 6:45pm

greenbamboo wrote: »

Would ye recommend the 6.5Kw Stanley Cara insert stove or should I go for the Stanley oisin 6.4kw freestanding. A lot of people telling me il get much better heat from oisin but surely the cara will have the room just as warm if nearly the same kw? The cara looks very nice and neat for a sitting room in an existing curved Lombard fireplace. any opinions are appreciated. Thanks

https://www.countrylife.ie/shop/product/Stanley-Cara-Insert-Stove-Non-Boiler/9042200?gclid=CjwKCAjw96fkBRA2EiwAKZjFTdjMwWjGBUvejZGwNuB1Ru4g_Bts3YJldraqZ2wHdh9vQVpuAFOmnBoCig0QAvD_BwE

The Inset stove will heat just as well as the freestanding stove.
However you may need an adapter plate to get it to fit with a curved Lombard cast iron.

upupup · 14-03-2019 7:02pm

greenbamboo wrote: »

Would ye recommend the 6.5Kw Stanley Cara insert stove or should I go for the Stanley oisin 6.4kw freestanding. A lot of people telling me il get much better heat from oisin but surely the cara will have the room just as warm if nearly the same kw? The cara looks very nice and neat for a sitting room in an existing curved Lombard fireplace. any opinions are appreciated. Thanks

https://www.countrylife.ie/shop/product/Stanley-Cara-Insert-Stove-Non-Boiler/9042200?gclid=CjwKCAjw96fkBRA2EiwAKZjFTdjMwWjGBUvejZGwNuB1Ru4g_Bts3YJldraqZ2wHdh9vQVpuAFOmnBoCig0QAvD_BwE

Inset stoves can be poor.It depends on how and where they are installed.Sometimes the heat goes up the chimney or out through the wall or into the wall only to be released later when you don't want it,, and sometimes they will throw out great heat.There is a bit of a gamble with inset stoves.

A freestanding stove will not lose any heat and will definitely heat the room.I had oisin before and the only problem with it ,was my small room got too hot.
insets look good but freestanding stoves heat better

Roen · 14-03-2019 11:10pm

I have the insert Cara outside air model. It takes it's time heating the room, but when it does it really does.

A fair bit of heat gets kicked up the chimney and into the brickwork too. It's no bad thing as when you come down the next morning the room is nice and snug still as all the heat is being released from the chimney breast.

That said your chimney isn't my chimney and how it behaves if you install one may well differ.

SeanMacEoin · 24-03-2019 10:37am

Hi All, I’m looking for some advice on Stanley Solis. Considering installing the freestanding F900 ridge stove. Seems reasonably priced versus other room heaters. Anyone got one installed? Recommended? Thanks

FL11 · 27-03-2019 5:10pm

upupup wrote: »

The movement of hot water from the stove to the hot tank is called gravity circulation so any length of vertical distance will work but the futher you travel horizontally,the worse your system will be.
There is no max distance as every house is different but if it does not circulate properly it may become dangerous and overheat as you can not turn off a stove quickly.

18 meters is a lot...1 or 2 meters is the preferred distance for a trouble free system

Hi upupup,
I have a similar issue to above.
Is there anything that can be to improve the system if the horizontal distance to the tank is considered too long?

upupup · 27-03-2019 6:28pm

FL11 wrote: »

Hi upupup,
I have a similar issue to above.
Is there anything that can be to improve the system if the horizontal distance to the tank is considered too long?

Use the largest possible diameter pipe that the stove allows and instead of horizontal,give the horizontal run of pipes a slight rise.
Don't use 90 degree bends..2@45 is better.
There is lots of info on this site.https://www.stovefittersmanual.co.uk/articles/connecting-a-wood-burning-stove-to-central-heating/

blindside88 · 03-04-2019 9:07pm

Hi Guys,

Couple of questions, I have bought a new house that has a gas fire, thinking of replacing this with a stove (non boiler). I need to get a rgi in to remove the gas fire, the chimney is flued for solid fuel.

Is there much difference in the heat output from a insert stove verses a stand-alone stove?

Who would I get to check the chimney to ensure all is ok before install?

Thanks

greenbamboo · 08-05-2019 2:42pm

Hi all, I am currently putting a solis 9kw insert stove in. I have a wooden surround on my open fireplace. The clearance to combustibles on the manual says 250 mm away from sides but my clearance to the wood is 200mm. Would I get away with this or do I definitely have to change the wooden surround if im only 50mm off like that?

Skippy along · 08-05-2019 4:04pm

Was in the same position took a chance but the surround and the wooden mantle piece got much to hot for my liking... was always a source of concern .. Eventually replaced with marble...

olestoepoke · 07-06-2019 10:45pm

Can anyone PM an installer for a boiler stove, heat genie(System Link)? Most plumbers I talk to won't touch it

chuck eastwood · 08-06-2019 7:12pm

olestoepoke wrote: »

Can anyone PM an installer for a boiler stove, heat genie(System Link)? Most plumbers I talk to won't touch it

Any particular reason why they won't touch it ?

olestoepoke · 08-06-2019 7:26pm

chuck eastwood wrote: »

Any particular reason why they won't touch it ?

Just havent found anyone that does them or is trained enough tk do it

Squatman · 10-06-2019 12:13pm

greenbamboo wrote: »

Hi all, I am currently putting a solis 9kw insert stove in. I have a wooden surround on my open fireplace. The clearance to combustibles on the manual says 250 mm away from sides but my clearance to the wood is 200mm. Would I get away with this or do I definitely have to change the wooden surround if im only 50mm off like that?

i would change it, if anything happens, then your straight into trouble. for the sake of 1k, throw in a marble fireplace

Forge83 · 10-06-2019 4:52pm

greenbamboo wrote: »

Hi all, I am currently putting a solis 9kw insert stove in. I have a wooden surround on my open fireplace. The clearance to combustibles on the manual says 250 mm away from sides but my clearance to the wood is 200mm. Would I get away with this or do I definitely have to change the wooden surround if im only 50mm off like that?

The clearance distance is stated for a reason, you and your families safety.
If you had a house fire your house insurance would be 100% invalid.
You would get a new marble surround for €500-€600.

rpmcs · 10-06-2019 10:54pm

greenbamboo wrote:

Hi all, I am currently putting a solis 9kw insert stove in. I have a wooden surround on my open fireplace. The clearance to combustibles on the manual says 250 mm away from sides but my clearance to the wood is 200mm. Would I get away with this or do I definitely have to change the wooden surround if im only 50mm off like that?

Have you 500mm of top?

DECLARATION OF PERFORMANCE
(ln accordance with Annex lll of Regulation (EU) 305t2011)
No.47
1. ldentification code of Product type: SOlN900SE
2. rype: STANLEY SOLIS INSET 900 WOOD BURNING STOVE
3. lntended use of the construction product
Space Heating in residential buildings with no supply of hot water.
4. Name, contact address of the manufacturer
Manufactured at, Unit 401-403, IDA lndustrial Estate, Cork Road, Waterford, lreland By Waterford Stanley part of the AGA RANGEMASTER group.
5 Not applicable
6. System 3 assessment and verification of constancy of performance.
7.
Product certified by:
Rhein-Ruhr Feuerstdtten Pr0fstelle GmbH body no NB 1625 assessed the product against BS EN
1 324 0 :200 I AC :20 06 I A2:20 0 4 I AC :20 07
Performed under system 3 and issued test report no RRF - DF DP 17 4687
9. Declared Performance
Harmonized technical specification BS EN 13240:2001/AC:2006 &BS EN
13240 200 | / A2 :200 4 I AC :2007
Essential characteristics Performance (wood)
Fire safety
Reaction to fire A 1 A1
Minimum distances, in mm
Top 550
Sides 250
Front 1200
Distance to combustible materials
Risk of burning fuel falling out Pass
Emission of combustible oroducts CO t 0.09 o/ol
Surfacetemperature Pass
Electricalsafety Pass
Cleanability Pass Pass
Maximum operating pressure N/A
T [ 298'C]
Mechanical resistance (to carry a
chimney/ flue)
Pass
Thermal output
Nominal heat output 9kw space
Room heatinq output 9kw space
Water heating output N/A
Energy efficiency n 80 %l

Muahahaha · 14-06-2019 4:34pm

In the market for an outdoor log store and everything Im seeing from the log companies and DIY sheds are all open to the elements at the front. I get that the logs need air circulation but cant understand why they don't have doors to protect from the rain? Is there something Im missing here? Will have an indoor log store too but don't get the point of the outdoor ones that are on the market, especially if buying kiln dried wood as I plan to do.

Bruthal · 17-07-2019 10:20am

olestoepoke wrote: »

Just havent found anyone that does them or is trained enough tk do it

I put 2 in. Not too complex. Supply and return from stove. And supply and return out to existing heating circuit if there is one. Cold water supply to heat genie for the overheat scenario operated by probe in supply from stove. Pumps each side controlled by pipe start via system link controller if used. Relay lockout of existing boiler when stove pipe start closes. Fairly basic really.

Hope that makes sense.

john_doe. · 27-07-2019 6:45pm

Was wondering what think about potential carbon taxes and stoves .

Can imagine scenario where taxes are going to increase each year.

Looking to replace my open fire. Was going for insert stove , but don't know shud I concentrate on insulation instead...

Agent_47 · 28-07-2019 7:37pm

john_doe. wrote: »

Was wondering what think about potential carbon taxes and stoves .

Can imagine scenario where taxes are going to increase each year.

Looking to replace my open fire. Was going for insert stove , but don't know shud I concentrate on insulation instead...

I think they will ban stove sales, when is the question. I have 3 installed, bought the latest Jotul for a studio last year. I'd say go ahead with your plans but buy the one with the highest efficiency standard.

john_doe. · 28-07-2019 8:55pm

that would shut down a fair few businesses if they do ban them in time. Maybe be cities first.

coal prob be treated like cigarettes soon in budgets each year..

Forge83 · 28-07-2019 11:44pm

Agent_47 wrote: »

I think they will ban stove sales, when is the question. I have 3 installed, bought the latest Jotul for a studio last year. I'd say go ahead with your plans but buy the one with the highest efficiency standard.

Stoves will not be banned. This isn’t a communist country where legitimate products can be banned for sale.
However solid fuel appliances can obviously be discouraged through taxing the fuel through carbon tax. The same can be said for oil boilers, diesel and petrol cars etc.
Oil boilers and stoves will be discouraged massively in new build houses. Again if people want them, they can have them, but will cost them a lot of money to offset against the renewable energy required.
if people choose to put them into their existing homes they can do so without any worry of a ban, however they should keep in mind that a wood burning stove version would be best as the carbon tax on coal/oil will be high.

Atlantic Dawn · 28-07-2019 11:47pm

How are stoves allowed to be used in built up areas and why does RTE promote their use on Eco Eye in built up areas where they hazardous for all living around them?

odyssey06 · 29-07-2019 8:24am

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

How are stoves allowed to be used in built up areas and why does RTE promote their use on Eco Eye in built up areas where they hazardous for all living around them?

We were all being told to drive diesel cars by the same crowd also a few years back... hazardous to humans is not a consideration for them.

Forge83 · 29-07-2019 11:15am

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

How are stoves allowed to be used in built up areas and why does RTE promote their use on Eco Eye in built up areas where they hazardous for all living around them?

Please! Stoves are not hazardous. The fuel used in them is. People burning coal, turf, rubbish etc. Dried fire wood is renewable and is the only fuel that should be used in them.

Muahahaha · 31-07-2019 8:38pm

Forge just wondering do you burn hardwood in your stove at home? Im currently thinking of stocking up for winter and buying a 1.6m cubed bag of 80% ash 20% beech kiln dried down to 15% moisture. Price is €285 with delivery included.They also do 1m cubed bags for about €215. Is that price the ball park for kiln dried wood or is there better value out there?

Forge83 · 31-07-2019 9:58pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

Forge just wondering do you burn hardwood in your stove at home? Im currently thinking of stocking up for winter and buying a 1.6m cubed bag of 80% ash 20% beech kiln dried down to 15% moisture. Price is €285 with delivery included.They also do 1m cubed bags for about €215. Is that price the ball park for kiln dried wood or is there better value out there?

I wouldn’t be a wood expert. I know Cotter brothers firewood in Limerick are and have an active Facebook page for questions. They are members of WQFA Ireland who have members all over the country if you want to google the website.
They are a lot more reasonable than buying imported wood and have a genuine high quality product.

Note to anyone reading- Always buy wood with a low moisture content. Most local fuels guys and garage forecourts sell absolute wet rubbish which is harmful to the environment, bad for your stove, your heat output and your pocket in the long run.

Muahahaha · 01-08-2019 4:30pm

Thanks Forge, will check out Cotters and the WQFA website.

john_doe. · 04-08-2019 8:30pm

Looking for a good quality inset with a modern look, If any one has recommendations?

Also looking to get external air piped into the stove for combustion as planing on making some air tightness measures in the room.
Can you do this with most insert stoves ?

The stovax Riva and the di luso look well, but not sure how they would perform.

My current fireplace is curved frame as per the attachment- not sure how this will be replaced.

john_doe. · 04-08-2019 8:32pm

Looking for a good quality inset with a modern look, If any one has recommendations?

Also looking to get external air piped into the stove for combustion as planing on making some air tightness measures in the room.
Can you do this with most insert stoves ?

The stovax Riva and the di luso look well, but not sure how they would perform.

My current fireplace is curved frame as per the attachment- not sure how this will be replaced.

vicwatson · 11-08-2019 10:19am

Is there a list of HETAS(?) “approved” stove installers online anywhere, tia

Muahahaha · 14-08-2019 6:18pm

I think there is for the UK Vic as it is a British qualification but Ive never seen a list of Irish HETAS qualified installers. Stone and Stoves does have a limited list of installers here, some who are HETAS qualified
https://stoneandstoves.ie/recommended-fitters/

Forge83 · 14-08-2019 8:17pm

vicwatson wrote: »

Is there a list of HETAS(?) “approved” stove installers online anywhere, tia

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?ll=53.551580261006414%2C-7.8500818773920855&z=8&mid=1jWMD7b-F13UVpZy8IxmgKYsma1ANJhJy

rpmcs · 16-08-2019 4:07pm

Hetas do run courses here, and after you can register, but they charge more again to, nearly as much as the course to get registered.
It's a money racket., I have been on the course and if seen some of the guys who came of the course with certificates to say they had completed course, and then they want you pay hundreds again to put your name on a list of certified installers.
I am all for training and knowledge but I really found this a joke.
But that's just my thoughts .

CHOPS01 · 16-08-2019 5:06pm

rpmcs wrote: »

Hetas do run courses here, and after you can register, but they charge more again to, nearly as much as the course to get registered.
It's a money racket., I have been on the course and if seen some of the guys who came of the course with certificates to say they had completed course, and then they want you pay hundreds again to put your name on a list of certified installers.
I am all for training and knowledge but I really found this a joke.
But that's just my thoughts .

You are 100% correct. Use contractors here on occasion who are Hetas trained. My installer who is not Hetas trained would leave them for dead as regards the quality of finish and attention to detail.
Absolute and utter money racket.

dubstepper · 20-08-2019 5:06pm

I have an old house (110 years old). I was looking to get a stove put into an existing fire place. Outside of the cost of the stove itself, I have been quoted nearly 5k for a gas stove and about 6.5k for a wood burner on various installation costs:

New inset and hearth required
Access to roof by cherrypicker (house is tall)
Flexible liner
Probably rebuild of fireplace in workshop
If solid fuel need solid fuel liner and back fill with vermiculite
Also if solid fuel needs raising of opening.

Does this sound reasonable? It seems a lot more than I had been expecting. The total is coming in around 10-12k incl VAT. I am based in Dublin as is the company.

chuck eastwood · 20-08-2019 5:24pm

dubstepper wrote: »

I have an old house (110 years old). I was looking to get a stove put into an existing fire place. Outside of the cost of the stove itself, I have been quoted nearly 5k for a gas stove and about 6.5k for a wood burner on various installation costs:

New inset and hearth required
Access to roof by cherrypicker (house is tall)
Flexible liner
Probably rebuild of fireplace in workshop
If solid fuel need solid fuel liner and back fill with vermiculite
Also if solid fuel needs raising of opening.

Does this sound reasonable? It seems a lot more than I had been expecting. The total is coming in around 10-12k incl VAT. I am based in Dublin as is the company.

4 years ago fitted a wood burning stove with back boiler. The plumber whom I knew and agreed to Let me give him a hand saving about €100 a day in labour costs and some plumbing ( I'm a fitter by trade)

* ripped out old fire place and back boiler. Widened opening to manufacturers specs and set in a reinforced head.

* re lined the with flex and filled with vermiculite.

*reset cowl and repaired around the top with cement.

*Set stove in place, on top of new granite heart. Pipe work to tank and system link (half a dayswork)

*plasterer in to finish off the chimney rebuild

The entire job took two of us 4 days with a fare amount of arsing around. I paid for the stove €1600 and he got all the materials, fittings flex, new circulating pump etc.

He charged me €1500 + €500 for matetials but said it would have been another €400 for someone he didn't know. So all in it cost me around €4250 including fittings including my own labour costs and two slabs of 50mm blank polished granite.

In a nutshell without mates rates including your cherry picker hire it would cost them no more than 5k.

So with inflation maybe 7k but 10k plus.... rip off but many will look at you in the current climate with a straight face and charge you that

dubstepper · 20-08-2019 5:38pm

chuck eastwood wrote: »

So with inflation maybe 7k but 10k plus.... rip off but many will look at you in the current climate with a straight face and charge you that

Thanks for the advice. It does feel over the top.

chuck eastwood · 20-08-2019 5:45pm

dubstepper wrote: »

Thanks for the advice. It does feel over the top.

Ask for a breakdown of the cost. If any tradesman won't give you that ( most get terribly offended for just asking, trust me I'm a tradesman) then go elsewhere. Don't drop an extra 5k on a job just for the sake of it. It's the same as external insulation I am getting quotes for right now. The quotes including vat are insane when materials and labour are counted. Even worse when most companies just contract out the work.

Good luck and always shop about

CHOPS01 · 20-08-2019 9:33pm

dubstepper wrote: »

Thanks for the advice. It does feel over the top.

Dont be afraid to price outside The Pale. You could find a big differnce on the labour rate.
Saying that a house that is 110 years old can be notoriously difficult to reline. Also if its a big open flue system there could be a substantial quantity of vermiculite needed.

upupup · 20-08-2019 9:52pm

dubstepper wrote: »

I have an old house (110 years old). I was looking to get a stove put into an existing fire place. Outside of the cost of the stove itself, I have been quoted nearly 5k for a gas stove and about 6.5k for a wood burner on various installation costs:

New inset and hearth required
Access to roof by cherrypicker (house is tall)
Flexible liner
Probably rebuild of fireplace in workshop
If solid fuel need solid fuel liner and back fill with vermiculite
Also if solid fuel needs raising of opening.

Does this sound reasonable? It seems a lot more than I had been expecting. The total is coming in around 10-12k incl VAT. I am based in Dublin as is the company.

A wood burning inset stove is not going to give out huge heat.The insets look great and modern but a free standing stove will outperform any inset,and a coal burning stove is better still for heat.
It depends on what is more important to you,heat or looks

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