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STOVES questions and answers here(see mod note in post 1)

paddy147

The amount of threads getting posted each day about stoves is unreal and taking away from other plumbing issues.

Can I suggest to the members and also the mods a dedicated "sticky" thread about stoves and nothing else.

Thanks.:)

Hi Folks. This sticky has been suggested by a regular poster and contributed to quite well. It seems to have generated a lot of interest. While advertising is not permitted under forum charter a balanced view of multiple suppliers is allowed. The rule of thumb is if you are unsure just ask. But keeping it simple and discussing the techanical details of multiple suppliers will be safe. Keep pricing out of the thread and only reply if requested to by PM -Personal message. An instant permant ban will result for breach of charter on advertising.

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Skippy along

Was in the same position took a chance but the surround and the wooden mantle piece got much to hot for my liking... was always a source of concern .. Eventually replaced with marble...

greenbamboo

Hi all, I am currently putting a solis 9kw insert stove in. I have a wooden surround on my open fireplace. The clearance to combustibles on the manual says 250 mm away from sides but my clearance to the wood is 200mm. Would I get away with this or do I definitely have to change the wooden surround if im only 50mm off like that?

blindside88

Hi Guys,

Couple of questions, I have bought a new house that has a gas fire, thinking of replacing this with a stove (non boiler). I need to get a rgi in to remove the gas fire, the chimney is flued for solid fuel.

Is there much difference in the heat output from a insert stove verses a stand-alone stove?

Who would I get to check the chimney to ensure all is ok before install?

Thanks

upupup

FL11 wrote: »

Hi upupup,
I have a similar issue to above.
Is there anything that can be to improve the system if the horizontal distance to the tank is considered too long?

Use the largest possible diameter pipe that the stove allows and instead of horizontal,give the horizontal run of pipes a slight rise.
Don't use 90 degree bends..2@45 is better.
There is lots of info on this site.https://www.stovefittersmanual.co.uk/articles/connecting-a-wood-burning-stove-to-central-heating/

FL11

upupup wrote: »

The movement of hot water from the stove to the hot tank is called gravity circulation so any length of vertical distance will work but the futher you travel horizontally,the worse your system will be.
There is no max distance as every house is different but if it does not circulate properly it may become dangerous and overheat as you can not turn off a stove quickly.

18 meters is a lot...1 or 2 meters is the preferred distance for a trouble free system

Hi upupup,
I have a similar issue to above.
Is there anything that can be to improve the system if the horizontal distance to the tank is considered too long?

SeanMacEoin

Hi All, I’m looking for some advice on Stanley Solis. Considering installing the freestanding F900 ridge stove. Seems reasonably priced versus other room heaters. Anyone got one installed? Recommended? Thanks

Roen

I have the insert Cara outside air model. It takes it's time heating the room, but when it does it really does.

A fair bit of heat gets kicked up the chimney and into the brickwork too. It's no bad thing as when you come down the next morning the room is nice and snug still as all the heat is being released from the chimney breast.

That said your chimney isn't my chimney and how it behaves if you install one may well differ.

upupup

greenbamboo wrote: »

Would ye recommend the 6.5Kw Stanley Cara insert stove or should I go for the Stanley oisin 6.4kw freestanding. A lot of people telling me il get much better heat from oisin but surely the cara will have the room just as warm if nearly the same kw? The cara looks very nice and neat for a sitting room in an existing curved Lombard fireplace. any opinions are appreciated. Thanks

https://www.countrylife.ie/shop/product/Stanley-Cara-Insert-Stove-Non-Boiler/9042200?gclid=CjwKCAjw96fkBRA2EiwAKZjFTdjMwWjGBUvejZGwNuB1Ru4g_Bts3YJldraqZ2wHdh9vQVpuAFOmnBoCig0QAvD_BwE

Inset stoves can be poor.It depends on how and where they are installed.Sometimes the heat goes up the chimney or out through the wall or into the wall only to be released later when you don't want it,, and sometimes they will throw out great heat.There is a bit of a gamble with inset stoves.

A freestanding stove will not lose any heat and will definitely heat the room.I had oisin before and the only problem with it ,was my small room got too hot.
insets look good but freestanding stoves heat better

Forge83

greenbamboo wrote: »

Would ye recommend the 6.5Kw Stanley Cara insert stove or should I go for the Stanley oisin 6.4kw freestanding. A lot of people telling me il get much better heat from oisin but surely the cara will have the room just as warm if nearly the same kw? The cara looks very nice and neat for a sitting room in an existing curved Lombard fireplace. any opinions are appreciated. Thanks

https://www.countrylife.ie/shop/product/Stanley-Cara-Insert-Stove-Non-Boiler/9042200?gclid=CjwKCAjw96fkBRA2EiwAKZjFTdjMwWjGBUvejZGwNuB1Ru4g_Bts3YJldraqZ2wHdh9vQVpuAFOmnBoCig0QAvD_BwE

The Inset stove will heat just as well as the freestanding stove.
However you may need an adapter plate to get it to fit with a curved Lombard cast iron.

greenbamboo

Would ye recommend the 6.5Kw Stanley Cara insert stove or should I go for the Stanley oisin 6.4kw freestanding. A lot of people telling me il get much better heat from oisin but surely the cara will have the room just as warm if nearly the same kw? The cara looks very nice and neat for a sitting room in an existing curved Lombard fireplace. any opinions are appreciated. Thanks

https://www.countrylife.ie/shop/product/Stanley-Cara-Insert-Stove-Non-Boiler/9042200?gclid=CjwKCAjw96fkBRA2EiwAKZjFTdjMwWjGBUvejZGwNuB1Ru4g_Bts3YJldraqZ2wHdh9vQVpuAFOmnBoCig0QAvD_BwE

CantThinkOfANam

Sorry my mistake, it’ll obviously need more than a copper pipe air source from outside.

Am I mad to do this on an A rated house?

CantThinkOfANam

Yes I was speaking to someone in a store today and they said there would need to be a copper pipe put through the wall for an air source.

Water John

Be sure the radiator in the room is on a thermostat. Would think stove needs to be 5Kw or less, engineer should spec it. Would the stove need an external air source?

CantThinkOfANam

Hi all,

Just in the process if buying a new build house.

The house in question is heated by gas central heating and has an energy rating of A3. It has no chimney so obviously no wood burning stove, or electric fire in the sitting room.

We really want to put a wood burning stove into the room, purely for comfort and effect. I’ve got a engineer to check if it’s possible and there’s no problem with an internal flue going up along the inside wall.

The problem is, we are worried the room might be too warm with the stove running as a few people have mentioned this.

The room is 23.7m2 or 66.3m3.

Has anybody any opinion on this? We looked at electric fires but still not the same as a wood burning stove. And we have viewed some other new builds with smaller sitting rooms that have a stove in place.

Cheers.

dzilla

Orchids wrote: »

We have this and didn’t put anything around the stove as I wanted the same look as you, we have stove in 3 years and had some very small cracks that were barely noticeable, I sanded them down during the summer and painted over and it turned out perfect

Hey, thanks for getting back to me, we went to a different stove company who advised we would not need the cladding. thanks for letting me know that you have the same setup always good to hear something has been done already

Orchids

dzilla wrote: »

Do cassette stoves need back stone cladding or tiling on the wall around it? I am looking at putting one in a square space about 2ft from ground level on a wall I have. My stove fitter is mentioned that the walls could crack with the heat however the majority of pictures I see of the cassette stoves have painted walls behind them.

This is the look I want I don't want cladding or tiling or a mantle piece. Is this achievable?

See link for reference -
https://goo.gl/images/tvYoyF

We have this and didn’t put anything around the stove as I wanted the same look as you, we have stove in 3 years and had some very small cracks that were barely noticeable, I sanded them down during the summer and painted over and it turned out perfect

youngblood

vtecdec wrote: »

Seen the Heat Design Vitae 9kw Cassette Stove recently in a Stove/Fireplace showroom.
Looks to be a very tidy stove alright?
Anyone here have one of these Vitae 9Kw stoves. Any comments/feedback whether good/bad would be quite useful as I plan to purchase at the weekend.

Thanks in advance.

Lovely Stove, no real problems since installing 3 years ago
Only thing I've had to replace is the baffle- The brick that hangs in the center of the stove
I've had to replace it twice
First covered by the shop, second one this year brand new was 80e

Water John

There is a heat resistant board you can put on the chimney breast and plaster with special plaster. Maybe 20mm, you won't notice it. We did it putting in a new gas fire, would recommend it.

dzilla

Do cassette stoves need back stone cladding or tiling on the wall around it? I am looking at putting one in a square space about 2ft from ground level on a wall I have. My stove fitter is mentioned that the walls could crack with the heat however the majority of pictures I see of the cassette stoves have painted walls behind them.

This is the look I want I don't want cladding or tiling or a mantle piece. Is this achievable?

See link for reference -
https://goo.gl/images/tvYoyF

Forge83

try wrote: »

Is there any difference in appearance between Schiedel TecnoFlex plus 316L and 904L flue liner? Is the grade stamped on the liner?

I’ve ordered the 904L and want to make sure I’m getting what I pay for

If it’s a wrapped roll of flexi it will be labeled before it’s opened.
I think it will be wrapped in black plastic if memory serves me right.

Once opened only someone in the industry would be able to tell the difference by feel.

try

Is there any difference in appearance between Schiedel TecnoFlex plus 316L and 904L flue liner? Is the grade stamped on the liner?

I’ve ordered the 904L and want to make sure I’m getting what I pay for

Forge83

vtecdec wrote: »

Seen the Heat Design Vitae 9kw Cassette Stove recently in a Stove/Fireplace showroom.
Looks to be a very tidy stove alright?
Anyone here have one of these Vitae 9Kw stoves. Any comments/feedback whether good/bad would be quite useful as I plan to purchase at the weekend.

Thanks in advance.

Very popular stove, decent quality, Irish brand. Made in China but wouldn’t worry about it as decent quality.

vtecdec

Seen the Heat Design Vitae 9kw Cassette Stove recently in a Stove/Fireplace showroom.
Looks to be a very tidy stove alright?
Anyone here have one of these Vitae 9Kw stoves. Any comments/feedback whether good/bad would be quite useful as I plan to purchase at the weekend.

Thanks in advance.

batman1

Forge83 wrote: »

Try Devlin Fireplaces in Bridgend. Those guys really know their stuff.
Shaun Devlin is the guy to speak to there.

Good guys . It was there where I was asked whether I really wanted a flue liner as they don't bother them much anymore due to hassle changing them.

Forge83

batman1 wrote: »

I was actually questioning the need for a liner at all.

Based in Donegal

Try Devlin Fireplaces in Bridgend. Those guys really know their stuff.
Shaun Devlin is the guy to speak to there.

batman1

Forge83 wrote: »

Removing the liner will be a dirty job if backfilled with vermiculite.
Stratford would be regarded as the best boiler stove brand. Nothing wrong with the other brands you mentioned either, just a notch down from Stratford.
Henley & Hamco would be the 2 mid range I would advise if you are set on changing. Where you based and I can point you in direction of a good genuine stove specialist.

I was actually questioning the need for a liner at all.

Based in Donegal

Forge83

batman1 wrote: »

Maybe the one he showed me was a room heater model. Definitely had bricks in it.

So would sticking to Stratford be the way to go long term? Maybe their freestanding stoves in a bigger size?

Any other manufacturers which would be considered good for freestanding stoves?

We will need to change the flue liner before next winter as its got slight damage from an unknown source (dodgy chimney sweep). In order to replace the liner the fireplace has to come out to gain access to the top of the stove. When the stove went in, the fireplace surround cracked as it was a cheapy put in by the builders, so we were told it would need replaced whenever the next time it comes out.

Therefore, if we are doing all those jobs we may as well change the 8 year old stove and fit a bigger one, freestanding that hopefully wouldn't need major surgery to change the liner in the future.

Removing the liner will be a dirty job if backfilled with vermiculite.
Stratford would be regarded as the best boiler stove brand. Nothing wrong with the other brands you mentioned either, just a notch down from Stratford.
Henley & Hamco would be the 2 mid range I would advise if you are set on changing. Where you based and I can point you in direction of a good genuine stove specialist.

batman1

Maybe the one he showed me was a room heater model. Definitely had bricks in it.

So would sticking to Stratford be the way to go long term? Maybe their freestanding stoves in a bigger size?

Any other manufacturers which would be considered good for freestanding stoves?

We will need to change the flue liner before next winter as its got slight damage from an unknown source (dodgy chimney sweep). In order to replace the liner the fireplace has to come out to gain access to the top of the stove. When the stove went in, the fireplace surround cracked as it was a cheapy put in by the builders, so we were told it would need replaced whenever the next time it comes out.

Therefore, if we are doing all those jobs we may as well change the 8 year old stove and fit a bigger one, freestanding that hopefully wouldn't need major surgery to change the liner in the future.

Forge83

batman1 wrote: »

Hi,

We currently have a stratford ecoboiler 12HE inset boiler stove .
While it heats the radiators, they're not 'hot' and the room where the stove is in is not as warm as we would perhaps like. We've had it in for 8 years but between the heat output and the passing of time, we are thinking of changing.

We hope to open up the fireplace and fit a freestanding boiler stove instead of the insert one and up the power to see if the room heat improves. The Mrs would like the stove to be 'hot', as in nice to stand beside it and warm up....! Our current one doesn't give that type of heat.

After speaking to the supplier, he recommended putting in a 20Kw stove, specifically the Henley Druid 21Kw. Has anyone experience of these? I noticed they have bricks inside. Does this mean regular replacement/cracking etc?

A friend says the Boru Carrag mor 20Kw is good also.

Stanley reginald also seems to fit.

Any advice is much appreciated

You would be mad to change the Stratford for inferior models. I would look at the volume and quality of fuel you are using. Or consider fitting a heat hero to improve stove boiler performance.
No boiler stove gives massive room heat.

Henley Druid boiler stove doesn’t have bricks either, only the room heater models.

rpmcs

batman1 wrote:

We currently have a stratford ecoboiler 12HE inset boiler stove . While it heats the radiators, they're not 'hot' and the room where the stove is in is not as warm as we would perhaps like. We've had it in for 8 years but between the heat output and the passing of time, we are thinking of changing.

batman1 wrote:

We hope to open up the fireplace and fit a freestanding boiler stove instead of the insert one and up the power to see if the room heat improves. The Mrs would like the stove to be 'hot', as in nice to stand beside it and warm up....! Our current one doesn't give that type of heat.

Hi. The 12he would be a far better stove than the druid in my opinion.
But when you say bricks. Where did you see the bricks?
The main reason you are not getting good heat to the room is because the stove is not getting the system up to temperature. So getting a freestanding stove that has more output than 12kw to the water is probably what u need
Bit get a plumber in and see how many rads you have and what output they would require and then when u get that right the out put to room should improve.
If that makes sense?