Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings

Galwayguy35 · 07-10-2020 8:01pm

Jorge Limited Maze wrote: »

One thing I hate to read is how our health service is called one of the worst in Europe. We actually have one of the best health services in Europe if not the world it’s capacity that’s the issue I just think that needs to be pointed out as it does sound like people claim the service is terrible when it’s far from it.

The health service get €19 billion of our tax money every years and we still have people including myself waiting months or even years for operations when we can't afford to go private.

You're deluded.

07-10-2020 8:05pm

acequion wrote: »

:D:D:D:D You must be having one helluva session there! Popping a few pills as well are we!

Or else very blatant trolling. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

The treatment and expertise in Irish public and private hospitals is as good as anywhere in the world. It’s the capacity of the public system that’s the issue.

FintanMcluskey · 07-10-2020 8:06pm

dalyboy wrote: »

Can anyone answer this for me ?

How is it constitutionally possible a government is considering a €200 FINE for moving from one county to another county in your own country ?
Is there a caveat in our constitution that allows for this possible implementation by the government of the day ?

Or has this been ripped up now that we are in a casedemic?

There is a 1947 health act that allows the constitution to be ignored if there is a health risk to the nation.

Now there is no proportionality whatsoever to the measures as there is minimal risk to citizens not already gravely ill

walus · 07-10-2020 8:07pm

Jorge Limited Maze wrote: »

The schools are a major source the dogs in the street know that, they need to be closed asap if we want to take fighting back against the surge seriously.

Could you provide any evidence that kids are the main spreaders of the virus and are the key reason why the numbers of hospital admissions are on the rise? Did the kids get covid into care homes this time round?

It is easy to shut down schools, sure. Kids will be grand right? Parents will cope too, no problem. That is the talk of those who have no kids. Not to mention that it is completely illogical.

Also, as a parent of three kids under nine years of age, I want to be compensated for doing the teachers’ job. Same as they have done it in other countries. How about 150 per child per week? Economy is doing great I hear, so that should not be a problem ffs.

Spanish Eyes · 07-10-2020 8:08pm

Haven't heard a word from Paul Reid in ages now.

He personally is not responsible. But he needs to kick ass big time.

Reckon the Unions will tell him to feck off if he tries to rock the boat. Therein lies the problem I think. And until recruitment to HSE is dependent on non union affiliation (like many other industries are) there will be no end to the inefficiency at all.

dalyboy · 07-10-2020 8:11pm

Jorge Limited Maze wrote: »

There was no issue in having fines for leaving your 2km/5km zones during the lockdown so doubt there is an issue making the rule for counties.

It’s only a matter of time before level 5 and 5km limits anyway so the county thing will be short lived.

At this point I agree about the level 5.
It’s just a waiting game.

I’m just working out my best angle of escape to any other country with a sane system of governance.
Im sad to be doing this but lucky I can work remotely anywhere.

Ireland has now become uninhabitable after the public manipulation of the last 3 days.
Wouldn’t trust NPHET or the government as far as I could throw them.

RickDeckard · 07-10-2020 8:19pm

Someone mentioned the old Eastern block regarding policing, and I actually think that's bang on.

This whole Garda thing has Chernobyl vibe to it, deny reality, go though the standard motions, try batter the populace into submission with a frankly pathetic display of authority, no accountability.

I am disgusted with out Police and government class. Not the cops stood in the rain, you get a pass for now, anyone above sergeant is a part of the problem.

**** this ****, I'm centre right wing,I want strong,decent , sensible law and order, and I'm appalled at our Garda today. Shame. Shame shame.

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acequion · 07-10-2020 8:20pm

Jorge Limited Maze wrote: »

The treatment and expertise in Irish public and private hospitals is as good as anywhere in the world. It’s the capacity of the public system that’s the issue.

Treatment and expertise are of no use without capacity. That's like a brilliant restaurant where there's nothing to eat. An oxymoron.

And absolutely useless. So get back in your box!

Rrrrrr2 · 07-10-2020 8:25pm

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

So we may have to get drink at a certain time instead of when we want. I don't see how in the name of God that will stop anyone having parties.

Forkhill/Jonesbourgh and other cross border areas must be willing the Govt to bring this in

I’d love to see them bring in drink restrictions only for the sheer anarchy of it - at this stage I’m done with the whole thing so whatever buffonary they want to dream up next, grand.

RickDeckard · 07-10-2020 8:35pm

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

I’d love to see them bring in drink restrictions only for the sheer anarchy of it - at this stage I’m done with the whole thing so whatever buffonary they want to dream up next, grand.

If these Amadans bring in a drink ban, we will have propper , full on , rebellion against the state ,lol, I almost wish they would, we may get someplace after it. Anything is better than these condescending goons at the moment, not all, but most of em.

Go on you w a n k e r s, make you move, restrict alcohol and we will have Republic 2.0, for better or worse.

dalyboy · 07-10-2020 8:37pm

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

I’d love to see them bring in drink restrictions only for the sheer anarchy of it - at this stage I’m done with the whole thing so whatever buffonary they want to dream up next, grand.

Watching this happening is like watching a real life horror movie.
Only problem is this movie is playing 24/7 .
It’s on tv , your mobile phone , laptop , car radio , YouTube feed , every shop you walk into and now when you drive out of your driveway on to the road (checkpoints)
Oh and you have to agree that the movie is only correct to be played like this or you are thought to be some kind of mental asylum patient.

Rrrrrr2 · 07-10-2020 8:39pm

dalyboy wrote: »

Watching this happening is like watching a real life horror movie.
Only problem is this movie is playing 24/7 .
It’s on tv , your mobile phone , laptop , car radio , YouTube feed , every shop you walk into and now when you drive out of your driveway on to the road (checkpoints)
Oh and you have to agree that the movie is only correct to be played like this or you are thought to be some kind of mental asylum patient.

Dont watch Rte. unless you want to end up in a lunatic asylum!

dalyboy · 07-10-2020 8:43pm

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

Dont watch Rte. unless you want to end up in a lunatic asylum!

I turned that shyte off back in April after I saw Clair (covibot) Byrne in her little corona HQ shed.

appledrop · 07-10-2020 8:46pm

Jorge Limited Maze wrote: »

Can you work from home?

It will be strong encouragement for anyone who can WFH to do so. Traffic was non existent in the lock down so there is obviously a lot who were WFH then going in at the moment.

Not saying you can btw but is certainly some of the reasoning imo.

Traffic was none existent during lockdown because nothing was open apart from grocery shops + hospitials.

Now all schools , all shops, retail parks, hairdressers, all businesses all open.

No I can't work from home as in education sector.

CruelSummer · 07-10-2020 8:47pm

Tenzor07 wrote: »

My Theory? The CMO/HSE/FFFG are doubling down on the Lockdowns, deaths are low but the PCR positives are up, lockdown coming into the winter which turns out again to be pretty normal in terms of deaths etc. then they can say "The Lockdown Worked" even though in real terms it made no difference at all!

Doesn’t seem to be FF and FG or Greens in favour of lockdowns though, they’ve just tried to resist one. Meanwhile my twitter feed is full of Mary Lou ‘likes’ of Dr Gabriel Scally and zero Covid nonsense.

Penfailed · 07-10-2020 9:01pm

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Where did you see that confirmed?

The restaurants are shut all day I assume?

What does central region mean?

Confirmed? It's all over the news.

Here's the details including where - https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-53166816

FintanMcluskey · 07-10-2020 9:07pm

dalyboy wrote: »

Watching this happening is like watching a real life horror movie.
Only problem is this movie is playing 24/7 .
It’s on tv , your mobile phone , laptop , car radio , YouTube feed , every shop you walk into and now when you drive out of your driveway on to the road (checkpoints)
Oh and you have to agree that the movie is only correct to be played like this or you are thought to be some kind of mental asylum patient.

Ivan Yates was the last voice of reason on this matter. He retired when he was needed the most.

Pat Kenny and Ryan Tubridy are the worst type of gowl heads I ever had the misfortune of laying eyes on or listening too

Penfailed · 07-10-2020 9:09pm

acequion wrote: »

There you go what?? I asked you to provide evidence of your claim that there are other countries with, to quote what you said, "harsher restrictions." I didn't ask for a breakdown of restrictions in European countries which is what you linked. But even with a quick read through I didn't find one with harsher restrictions. Unless you're referring to stronger enforcement and if that's what you mean please clarify!

It must've been a very quick read through.

France - no wedding receptions, Paris and hundreds of other municipalities have mandatory face masks outdoors.
Spain - most regions face masks obligatory outdoors.
Netherlands - only three people to visit your home.
Germany - minimum fine of €50 in shops and public transport.

All of those are harsher restrictions than here.

acequion wrote: »

You cite Scotland, a tiny country very similar to our own with unsurprisingly similar restrictions, not harsher by the way, around the same.

Yes. Harsher. All pubs closed in the central region stretching from coast to coast including Glasgow and Edinburgh.

CruelSummer · 07-10-2020 9:18pm

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1313898594404110336?s=21

How can a full blown lockdown be the only method of protecting nursing homes in Holohan’s eyes? Surely regular testing & wearing of full PPE is the way to go. I didn’t see the full press conference. Did anyone see if he offered any explanation as to what they’re doing right now to protect residents?

Rrrrrr2 · 07-10-2020 9:19pm

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Ivan Yates was the last voice of reason on this matter. He retired when he was needed the most.

Pat Kenny and Ryan Tubridy are the worst type of gowl heads I ever had the misfortune of laying eyes on or listening too

You read my mind. Was only thinking of Ivan and how much he's missed. I tend to listen to very little radio now. There's a plethora of none-too-bright airheads like Claire Byrne, Sarah McInerney, Andrea Gilligan etc all with the same scripted drivel on loop- have these people all had lobotomies because it certainly sounds like if you can force yourself to listen for 2 mins?
Seems to be the problem with third level education these days. Pretty much any dimwit can rote learn, look pretty and have a few right connections and bobs your uncle. Plum RTE job

Tenzor07 · 07-10-2020 9:23pm

RickDeckard wrote: »

If these Amadans bring in a drink ban, we will have propper , full on , rebellion against the state ,lol, I almost wish they would, we may get someplace after it. Anything is better than these condescending goons at the moment, not all, but most of em..

I wish they would go to Level 5.... Or to a Holahan level 7... Everything closed, bookies and off-licences too.... Gardai/Army food collection points...

Might wake up the Irish people then...

Penfailed · 07-10-2020 9:32pm

RickDeckard wrote: »

If these Amadans bring in a drink ban, we will have propper , full on , rebellion against the state ,lol, I almost wish they would, we may get someplace after it. Anything is better than these condescending goons at the moment, not all, but most of em.

Go on you w a n k e r s, make you move, restrict alcohol and we will have Republic 2.0, for better or worse.

...yet people claim Ireland doesn't have an unhealthy obsession with drink...

Jinglejangle69 · 07-10-2020 9:35pm

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Ivan Yates was the last voice of reason on this matter. He retired when he was needed the most.

Pat Kenny and Ryan Tubridy are the worst type of gowl heads I ever had the misfortune of laying eyes on or listening too

Try Niall Boylan.

Since the start has been the voice of reason.

Consistent.

bucketybuck · 07-10-2020 9:38pm

Penfailed wrote: »

This makes no sense. If you are adhering to the restrictions, you'll not be fined.

Try reading for comprehension.

acequion wrote: »

Treatment and expertise are of no use without capacity. That's like a brilliant restaurant where there's nothing to eat. An noxymoron.

And absolutely useless. So get back in your box!

Or a fancy restaurant where some idiot decided you could only eat outside its front door. In Ireland. In October.

Penfailed · 07-10-2020 9:46pm

bucketybuck wrote: »

Try reading for comprehension.

Nope. Still no sense. You say it'll hit the people that obey the restrictions hardest, yet, if you obey the restrictions, you don't get hit at all.

Zebra3 · 07-10-2020 9:52pm

Spotlight on BBC2 at 10 has a reporter going to Sweden to see what it's like over there.

07-10-2020 9:54pm

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

Dont watch Rte. unless you want to end up in a lunatic asylum!

Have a look at Sky News AUstralia, the difference in the coverage is unreal. You would never hear this on RTE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdF2d-cucjI&ab_channel=SkyNewsAustralia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGBEaYEtiys&ab_channel=SkyNewsAustralia

RickDeckard · 07-10-2020 9:56pm

Penfailed wrote: »

...yet people claim Ireland doesn't have an unhealthy obsession with drink...

Dude, I am not denying that, I have a problematic issue with drink as well, I was two years sober until things compounded this year , and I broke.

But I will get back on my wagon in again ,soon.

But, if you restrict drinking anymore in this country, ..... He who reaps the whirlwind etc...

Just facts man, drink is **** when abused, I agree. But I all about bodily sovereignty.

Rrrrrr2 · 07-10-2020 9:57pm

Jake1 wrote: »

Have a look at Sky News AUstralia, the difference in the coverage is unreal. You would never hear this on RTE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdF2d-cucjI&ab_channel=SkyNewsAustralia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGBEaYEtiys&ab_channel=SkyNewsAustralia

Yes actually questioning things logically- a long last art in Irish media unfortunately.
Our media is more like that of the Soviet Union these days. Reading government press releases and loony advice as gospel

07-10-2020 10:03pm

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

Yes actually questioning things logically- a long last art in Irish media unfortunately.
Our media is more like that of the Soviet Union these days. Reading government press releases and loony advice as gospel

Exactly. Whether you agree with them or not, isnt it nice to hear a different side? Shame we cant get decent report's like that, who actually question whats going on.
Too many people seem to be so happy to just hear what RTE BBC CNN report and take it all as gospel.
Im not saying they are wrong in everything they report, but they certainly are not right all the time either.

dalyboy · 07-10-2020 10:22pm

Jake1 wrote: »

Exactly. Whether you agree with them or not, isnt it nice to hear a different side? Shame we cant get decent report's like that, who actually question whats going on.
Too many people seem to be so happy to just hear what RTE BBC CNN report and take it all as gospel.
Im not saying they are wrong in everything they report, but they certainly are not right all the time either.

Straight from a state propaganda 101 playbook

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0916/1165543-rte-truth-matters-campaign/

Making the subjective actually objective. Thanks RTÉ

Idbatterim · 07-10-2020 10:52pm

"Minister blames Covid as just 725 social housing units built in first half of this year " https://www.thejournal.ie/covid-housing-725-5226332-Oct2020/

20% of the planned figure... brilliant! Forget house building, jobs, mental health etc. Covid is the only game in town lads ... bankrupting the country a second time in little over a decade! Lol!

Rrrrrr2 · 07-10-2020 11:13pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

Minister blames Covid as just 725 social housing units built in first half of this year "https://jrnl.ie/5226332

20% of the planned figure... brilliant! Forget house building, jobs, mental health etc. Covid is the only game in town lads ... bankrupting the country a second time in little over a decade! Lol!

And the irony of course as they're destroying the economy for no reason whatsoever the more and more people that will be dependent on social housing and services...the same services we won't be able to afford thanks to destroying the economy....

Kiwi in IE · 07-10-2020 11:23pm

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

And the irony of course as they're destroying the economy for no reason whatsoever the more and more people that will be dependent on social housing and services...the same services we won't be able to afford thanks to destroying the economy....

Exactly! We will be worrying about all sorts of communicable diseases that we don’t have to worry about presently, not just the covid, if the health system fails to the point of medical treatments and routine vaccines becoming unavailable due to lack of the revenue required to provide health and social services. What do people imagine is going to be the outcome of continuous lockdowns? When the money runs out eventually what is going to happen?

Idbatterim · 07-10-2020 11:29pm

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

Exactly! We will be worrying about all sorts of communicable diseases that we don’t have to worry about presently, not just the covid, if the health system fails to the point of medical treatments and routine vaccines becoming unavailable due to lack of the revenue required to provide health and social services. What do people imagine is going to be the outcome of continuous lockdowns? When the money runs out eventually what is going to happen?

You are giving these fools far too much credit, they literally cant think passed covid and the next "50+ critical weeks "

Lundstram · 07-10-2020 11:38pm

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

Exactly! We will be worrying about all sorts of communicable diseases that we don’t have to worry about presently, not just the covid, if the health system fails to the point of medical treatments and routine vaccines becoming unavailable due to lack of the revenue required to provide health and social services. What do people imagine is going to be the outcome of continuous lockdowns? When the money runs out eventually what is going to happen?

Expect your income tax to rise significantly. They've been quite vocal about no tax hikes in next weeks budget, this is purely to keep the sheep in line as any cut in take home pay would wake a lot of people up to what's happening. They'll strike when all this is over. People can't see the wood from the trees, this is not free money we are borrowing, little interest but the capital has to be repaid.

The lockdown we had in March has crippled driving tests centres. 8 month wait now. That's a decent baromter of what will happen with the HSE waiting lists.

NCT and licences extended but they can't extend people's health problems, doesn't work like that.

Hovering around 20% unemployment now, tax take for 2021 will take a massive hit. VAT will be on the floor. Fuel excise duty on the floor. Motor tax take on the floor due to many not bothering since WFH has become a thing. Retail sales on the floor, Christmas will take a massive hit this year.

Patting themselves on the back on the radio the other day as they agreed to draw down the 1.2bn rainy day fund set aside for Brexit. Well done, lads. A drop in the oceon of sh1t that awaits us and our youth for many years to come.

Idbatterim · 07-10-2020 11:45pm

Ff need to be very careful. If they are at the helm and the music stops when things go bang economically , with them in power with mm at the helm, fg will blame them on a second bust in very close succession. Despite the fact it was purely timing and fg were, are and would fo the same thing as ff, this time round and pre the last bust...

Kiwi in IE · 07-10-2020 11:48pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

You are giving these fools far too much credit, they literally cant think passed covid and the next "50+ critical weeks "

This is an insane situation. People are banned from speaking about what is a the only feasible solution because unbelievably absurd accusations of ‘selfishness‘, ‘eugenics’, ‘elder abuse‘ start to fly. Those who are most vulnerable need to be fully and comprehensively supported to isolate IF THEY CHOOSE to! So if someone is a hairdresser and they have a medically certified heart condition, they should have the option of being paid by the state to stay home and isolate until a time when the risk lessens, while the rest of us carry on earning the revenue to pay them. Everyone who is in good health and not particularly vulnerable to covid carries on. There is some risk, undiagnosed conditions etc, but since when is it the governments job to remove all risk from our lives whether or not we want them to? Surely the above is better than paying the entirety of huge sectors of the economy the covid payment and wage supplements for the medium to long term future and having a huge percentage of businesses (the majority of those that aren’t multinationals) fail? The virus is not going away. This response is ridiculous.

acequion · 08-10-2020 12:05am

Penfailed wrote: »

It must've been a very quick read through.

France - no wedding receptions, Paris and hundreds of other municipalities have mandatory face masks outdoors.
Spain - most regions face masks obligatory outdoors.
Netherlands - only three people to visit your home.
Germany - minimum fine of €50 in shops and public transport.

All of those are harsher restrictions than here.

Yes. Harsher. All pubs closed in the central region stretching from coast to coast including Glasgow and Edinburgh.

Jesus talk about shoving a square pin into a round hole! :rolleyes:
Scotland = all pubs closed. Ireland = all pubs closed. 1+1 = 2 not 3. And you really are clutching at straws if you're going to come back and tell me they can serve outside here. Did you see the weather today and you do realise we're in October!!

Also, restaurants are open in Holland. A far bigger freedom than the numbers allowed call to your house. And better for the economy.

Mask wearing!! How in god's name is mask wearing harsher on a person than not being able to go out to a bar or restaurant?? I was in Spain during the summer. I wore my mask everywhere, including when I was heading out to dinner. Give me obligatory mask wearing any day, a very small price to pay for the far bigger freedom of being able to go out. And a million times less injurious on the economy.

And as to fines, as I said in an earlier post if that's what you meant you should have said. And I would agree that enforcement is stricter in other countries and I don't have a problem with that. Bring in reasonable restrictions and enforce them. Job done. Not this half arsed bolloxology of policing by consent.:rolleyes:

You're trying to win an argument you've well lost. Because we have the worst and most stupid restrictions. And we don't even police them allowing those who couldn't give a damn to keep breaking them. Which leaves us in a never ending merrygoround of pointless lockdowns and very frustrated citizens.

Heckler · 08-10-2020 12:21am

Tenzor07 wrote: »

I wish they would go to Level 5.... Or to a Holahan level 7... Everything closed, bookies and off-licences too.... Gardai/Army food collection points...

Might wake up the Irish people then...

Re the Off-Licences

Close them all ? Massive influx of alcohol from the North and the continent. Black market thrives and alcohol tax plummets. More thousands unemployed.

Restricted Hours ? Will make no difference to students and long term dole layabouts who might have to get up an hour or so before usual to get their booze.

Employ quotas on how much you can buy ? I have in a mile any direction, 2 off-Licences, 3 centras and a supervalu that all sell alcohol. Get quota in one, go to another for more. Pointless.

Only people who it will hit are the working 9-5 who, in these stressful times, look forward to a drink at the end of the working week.

Heckler · 08-10-2020 12:25am

Heckler wrote: »

Re the Off-Licences

Close them all ? Massive influx of alcohol from the North and the continent. Black market thrives and alcohol tax plummets. More thousands unemployed.

Restricted Hours ? Will make no difference to students and long term dole layabouts who might have to get up an hour or so before usual to get their booze.

Employ quotas on how much you can buy ? I have in a mile any direction, 2 off-Licences, 3 centras and a supervalu that all sell alcohol. Get quota in one, go to another for more. Pointless.

Only people who it will hit are the working 9-5 who, in these stressful times, look forward to a drink at the end of the working week.

Oh and restricted hours again ? More people congregating at the same time when we are told to stay apart. Queues out the door. Genius thinking....

Penfailed · 08-10-2020 6:49am

acequion wrote: »

Jesus talk about shoving a square pin into a round hole! :rolleyes:
Scotland = all pubs closed. Ireland = all pubs closed. 1+1 = 2 not 3. And you really are clutching at straws if you're going to come back and tell me they can serve outside here. Did you see the weather today and you do realise we're in October!!

Also, restaurants are open in Holland. A far bigger freedom than the numbers allowed call to your house. And better for the economy.

Mask wearing!! How in god's name is mask wearing harsher on a person than not being able to go out to a bar or restaurant?? I was in Spain during the summer. I wore my mask everywhere, including when I was heading out to dinner. Give me obligatory mask wearing any day, a very small price to pay for the far bigger freedom of being able to go out. And a million times less injurious on the economy.

And as to fines, as I said in an earlier post if that's what you meant you should have said. And I would agree that enforcement is stricter in other countries and I don't have a problem with that. Bring in reasonable restrictions and enforce them. Job done. Not this half arsed bolloxology of policing by consent.:rolleyes:

You're trying to win an argument you've well lost. Because we have the worst and most stupid restrictions. And we don't even police them allowing those who couldn't give a damn to keep breaking them. Which leaves us in a never ending merrygoround of pointless lockdowns and very frustrated citizens.

You say restrictions are the harshest here. I point out all those places with harsher restrictions. Factual information. You talk around them as if they're not so bad really. That's an argument that I can't possibly win I'm afraid. You're arguing that black is white. Facts are facts.

With regard to mask wearing, if it's not so bad, why are so many ignoring the restriction to do so?

You're trying to win an argument using diversions and spin. Knock yourself out.

CruelSummer · 08-10-2020 6:56am

https://twitter.com/cr15b/status/1313902302089052166?s=21

Could the leaks have been from Donnelly or one of his officials? Absolutely shameful if so, not only failing to govern, but failing to bring serious proposals before Government to be given consideration before being made public.

CruelSummer · 08-10-2020 7:00am

Three public pools and gym facilities in the area under serious financial pressure and may close. So no way to exercise and keep healthy for the winter if this comes to pass...not to mention the many vulnerable groups that need them. Serious health and well being implications will arise.
But this is ok as long as Covid gets to zero for a week or two? Because after speaking to people living in New South Wales, Australia last night - they got to zero. Reopened and what do you know - cases today.

uli84 · 08-10-2020 7:00am

CruelSummer wrote: »

https://twitter.com/cr15b/status/1313902302089052166?s=21

Could the leaks have been from Donnelly or one of his officials? Absolutely shameful if so, not only failing to govern, but failing to bring serious proposals before Government to be given consideration before being made public.

Payback? What a joke altogether, acting like kids or like participants of a bad reality show.

TexasTornado · 08-10-2020 7:04am

Iv'e the last 10 pages of this thread and tbh it should be in the conspiracy theories forum.

Go out for a walk guys/gals, get some air, go for a swim etc... All this "ta gubbermint are are out to get us" rubbish is not good for you.

CruelSummer · 08-10-2020 7:16am

TexasTornado wrote: »

Iv'e the last 10 pages of this thread and tbh it should be in the conspiracy theories forum.

Go out for a walk guys/gals, get some air, go for a swim etc... All this "ta gubbermint are are out to get us" rubbish is not good for you.

Nobody is saying that here, they’re discussing the far reaching consequences of the Restrictions and their impacts on the population. ‘Conspiracy theorists’ is a tried and trusted dig at people wanting to discuss this but I’m afraid - we’re just discussing facts like the economy, jobs, other health impacts, etc.
Would you be able to answer my question while here re what protections have been put in place to protect nursing homes right now? That isn’t a lockdown? Dr Tony seems to think lockdown is the only way to protect them from Community Transmission. It’s a serious failure in policy and strategy to not have these places well resourced and protected.
Some people on here have been badly affected By the Restrictions, but thanks for stopping by with your insights.

Plumbthedepths · 08-10-2020 7:31am

CruelSummer wrote: »

Nobody is saying that here, they’re discussing the far reaching consequences of the Restrictions and their impacts on the population. ‘Conspiracy theorists’ is a tried and trusted dig at people wanting to discuss this but I’m afraid - we’re just discussing facts like the economy, jobs, other health impacts, etc.
Would you be able to answer my question while here re what protections have been put in place to protect nursing homes right now? That isn’t a lockdown? Dr Tony seems to think lockdown is the only way to protect them from Community Transmission. It’s a serious failure in policy and strategy to not have these places well resourced and protected.
Some people on here have been badly affected By the Restrictions, but thanks for stopping by with your insights.

Best ignored, same poster spent most of yesterday trying to wind up others on the main thread.

weldoninhio · 08-10-2020 8:13am

Penfailed wrote: »

You say restrictions are the harshest here. I point out all those places with harsher restrictions. Factual information. You talk around them as if they're not so bad really. That's an argument that I can't possibly win I'm afraid. You're arguing that black is white. Facts are facts.

With regard to mask wearing, if it's not so bad, why are so many ignoring the restriction to do so?

You're trying to win an argument using diversions and spin. Knock yourself out.

Ireland, pubs closed since March bar 2 weeks. No end in sight. Restaurants closed unless outdoor seating, 15 max

Scotland, pubs closed for 16 days (in central belt ONLY) Open in rest of country.
Restaurants allowed open.

If you can’t seen which one is harsher there you need to to go Specsavers.

_Kaiser_ · 08-10-2020 8:14am

It's very noticeable how the tone of the reports from NPHET has changed since Holohan came back at the weekend. Leaving aside the mess over the weekend which it seems now Leo tried to make personal political capital on (as usual), the "end is coming" nonsense has really ramped up in the last few days.

Now there's talk of cancelling Christmas:

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/christmas-could-be-cancelled-as-covid-surges-across-nation-and-medics-urge-move-to-level-4-39600035.html

"If we can collectively as a country get back to the solidarity we saw earlier, there is nothing inevitable about the spread of this virus," Dr Holohan said. But he too issued a warning about the festive season ahead.

"At various points in the year, there are events that need specific consideration. We will give that to Christmas and we hope we are not in a position at Christmas, in disease terms, where we are having to advise people they can't meet other households or travel outside their houses. We understand how socially challenging that would be for people."

I'm deadly serious now when I ask how much longer people will continue to put up with these threats and finger-wagging and disruption to their lives and livelihoods.

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings