Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Zebra3

Don't Chute! wrote: »

Just in the car there on the way to the shop. Pat Kenny on Newstalk: “next up,
are we a nation obsessed with death?”
Without even the slightest hint of irony!!

Defo a country obsessed with virtue signalling.

Tomrota

wardides wrote: »

In fairness the country was on full scale lockdown at that time. And it's not the act of fishing on his own, it's what if he decided to stop in a shop on the way out? Then drove past a lidl on his way home and jumped in to pick up a couple of bits? Before you know it a cluster in one area has jumped 30km away and so on and so on. The fact that he was caught twice is pretty stupid and deserved punishment for me.

I disagree. The point of that restriction was to stop groups of people mingling. They couldn’t set a 5km limit but if you’re by yourself you’re grand, cause that would encourage people to break it and not take it seriously. If you’re alone just going for a drive, or in this case fishing, it is not irresponsible, it is not harming anyone or doing absolutely anything wrong. To think he deserves punishment is ridiculous in my opinion.

Jorge Limited Maze

Jorge Limited Maze wrote: »

Even Leo said yesterday that it was on the cards for a short period of time.

Leo and Michael can say what they like at this stage, NPHT too.
The reality is that a Level 5 lockdown this time would be a completely different animal to Level 5 at the beginning. They are not going to close Woodies, hairdressers, schools, and all small business. They will not introduce the 2km rule again, something unique in the whole of the EU!

They cannot police this in the middle of Winter and people will simply not buy in to that level of restriction 2nd time round. While we all did our best initially in March- July, we saw nobody, missed funerals and weddings, had no holidays, lost jobs, got depression........the Government went on their holidays, faffed around forever during election time, took their eye off the ball and to this day have no improvment in bed capacity in hospitals, no increase in staff and no test and tracing system that is fit for purpose.

The public can not be punished for working and living, lockdowns cannot go on indefinitely. The Government has failed miserably along with the HSE and its capacity to deal with this pandemic. But the ordinary people of this country keep getting blamed and punished. We have sacrificed an awful lot for no improvement at all. Level 5 2nd time round will be nothing like first time, in terms of compliance.

The heavy handed approach of the Gardai this morning, causing thousands to be delayed on their way to and from work, will be the start of public anger and backlash. Its like poking a nest of wasps with a stick, eventually they will swarm and sting!

facehugger99

Headline on the RTE site about Minister Patrick O'Donovan calling for the Government to introduce restrictions to the hours of off-licenses and the amount of alcohol people can purchase at any one time.

If anything sums up the absolute nanny-state nonsense of this country!

Now they want to tell grown adults how many cans or bottles of wine they can buy at a time.

FFS! this Government is treating people like bold children all the time!


Even as a proposal it makes absolute zero sense as if you are restricted in the amount you can buy at one time, you presumably just make additional trips -which sounds more risky to me.

When are people going to rise up against this nonsense and say 'enough'?

facehugger99

facehugger99 wrote: »

Headline on the RTE site about Minister Patrick O'Donovan calling for the Government to introduce restrictions to the hours of off-licenses and the amount of alcohol people can purchase at any one time.

If anything sums up the absolute nanny-state nonsense of this country!

Now they want to tell grown adults how many cans or bottles of wine they can buy at a time.

FFS! this Government is treating people like bold children all the time!


Even as a proposal it makes absolute zero sense as if you are restricted in the amount you can buy at one time, you presumably just make additional trips -which sounds more risky to me.

When are people going to rise up against this nonsense and say 'enough'?

it wont happen, totally unenforceable and a complete blunt instrument indeed.
sure if you cannot enjoy a drink in your own home while observing the other guidelines what els can you do?? we'd be like lab rats at rest.
No leisure, no social pursuits, no family contact , etc etc etc..the offies will be burnt quicker...there's a whack of the Vitners from this I feel!

FintanMcluskey

facehugger99 wrote: »

Headline on the RTE site about Minister Patrick O'Donovan calling for the Government to introduce restrictions to the hours of off-licenses and the amount of alcohol people can purchase at any one time.

If anything sums up the absolute nanny-state nonsense of this country!

Now they want to tell grown adults how many cans or bottles of wine they can buy at a time.

FFS! this Government is treating people like bold children all the time!


Even as a proposal it makes absolute zero sense as if you are restricted in the amount you can buy at one time, you presumably just make additional trips -which sounds more risky to me.

When are people going to rise up against this nonsense and say 'enough'?

Have you seen some of the other threads?

The irish have essentially gone a brainless solo run with restrictions, with the abdication of all scientific data.

Its the religion that would be evident in the 1950's.

We seem to be waiting for a vaccine, that if or when it does come, a significant amount of people wont take

PS I will take it before any anti vac responses

Padraig Mor

facehugger99 wrote: »

Headline on the RTE site about Minister Patrick O'Donovan calling for the Government to introduce restrictions to the hours of off-licenses and the amount of alcohol people can purchase at any one time.

If anything sums up the absolute nanny-state nonsense of this country!

Now they want to tell grown adults how many cans or bottles of wine they can buy at a time.

FFS! this Government is treating people like bold children all the time!


Even as a proposal it makes absolute zero sense as if you are restricted in the amount you can buy at one time, you presumably just make additional trips -which sounds more risky to me.

When are people going to rise up against this nonsense and say 'enough'?

And the picture accompanying the article on this in the Examiner shows the same Minister wearing a downright dangerously useless micro face shield, which even seems to be not covering his nose.....and he's lecturing people on "transmission of the virus"?! Look in the mirror buddy!

_Kaiser_

Seems the Government are considering fines now..

A Covid-19 oversight group, which consists of the most senior civil servants in each Government department, met on Wednesday morning to consider enhanced enforcement of restrictions across business, education and wider society.

A senior source confirmed that the group examined graduated fines for those travelling between counties for non-essential reasons.

Sources said that the level of fines had not yet been set but that it would be enough to be a “deterrent” for those contemplating flouting the domestic travel restrictions.

Everyone's "hero" Leo has some ideas on that:

A system of graduated fines, which could include €50 penalties for not wearing face masks and €200 penalties for leaving your county, should be considered, Tánaiste Leo Varadkar told his party last night.

Absolute joke. They know Level 5 isn't a runner because of the economic impact and public outcry in the last few days, so let's just fine people instead! Never mind that the measures as they are today are still (as they have been pretty much all long) totally disproportionate to the risks involved.

facehugger99

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Seems the Government are considering fines now..

How can they fine people for not following advice?

Advice, by its nature is discretionary.

funnydoggy

Have a guard in every shop in the country because you can't expect the shop staff to enforce mask wearing. Totally unfair on them. Even managers shouldn't have to carry that burden. Yes they can refuse service but that doesn't always lead to the happiest of customers.

bucketybuck

We all know the biggest problem with fines.

The rich won't care about them. The usual scumbags won't care about them. The young and penniless won't care about them.

The only people who will actually have to pay them will be those who are already most likely to adhere to restrictions in the first place, the working and middle class.

Just another in a long list of pointless gimmicks that won't address the real issue.

Micky 32

I just thought. My partner of nearly 10 years lives just over the county border other side of the bridge. You could literally throw a stone from my county and would land on her roof.....this should be interesting.

uli84

So the cinemas are closed again? Great, had an evening out planned for today. To answer the question - yes i have mental/personal problems but they are all directly/indirectly linked to the covid situation here

Can someone tell me why this is nationwide if there are major differences between the counties?

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

The reality is that a Level 5 lockdown this time would be a completely different animal to Level 5 at the beginning. They are not going to close Woodies, hairdressers, schools, and all small business. They will not introduce the 2km rule again, something unique in the whole of the EU!

You need to read the lockdown rules, at level 4 even hairdressers have to close never mind level 5 at which woodies would have to close and there is a 5km rule as part of level 5 also.

So if Leo and MM decide we are going to level 5 then these things will happen and I think if they do this circuit breaker level 5 they will close schools also.

As for your "unique" 5km rule, many EU countries had far stricter restrictions on travel so I dont know why you think our 5km rule was out of the ordinary.

Irish Aris

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Seems the Government are considering fines now..



Everyone's "hero" Leo has some ideas on that:



Absolute joke. They know Level 5 isn't a runner because of the economic impact and public outcry in the last few days, so let's just fine people instead! Never mind that the measures as they are today are still (as they have been pretty much all long) totally disproportionate to the risks involved.

I honestly struggle to see how fining people will increase compliance.
The people that comply already will continue to do so and the people that don't will not.

And how are they going to fine people, other than the obvious low hanging fruit of mask wearing? If a person has a gathering at their home with more than 6 people from 1 household (or whatever the guideline is for level 3), how would a guard know that?
As for travelling in another county it will be just a matter of luck if you get caught or not. To use the analogy of driving laws: not everyone that breaks them gets caught or fined.

Penfailed

bucketybuck wrote: »

We all know the biggest problem with fines.

The rich won't care about them. The usual scumbags won't care about them. The young and penniless won't care about them.

The only people who will actually have to pay them will be those who are already most likely to adhere to restrictions in the first place, the working and middle class.

Just another in a long list of pointless gimmicks that won't address the real issue.

This makes no sense. If you are adhering to the restrictions, you'll not be fined.

Allinall

facehugger99 wrote: »

How can they fine people for not following advice?

Advice, by its nature is discretionary.

If fines are brought in, the advice will cease to be advice, and become law.

Penfailed

Jorge Limited Maze wrote: »

As for your "unique" 5km rule, many EU countries had far stricter restrictions on travel so I dont know why you think our 5km rule was out of the ordinary.

Those lucky bástards in Wales had 5 miles to play with...that's three whole kilometres more than us!

Shelga

Even if we do a "circuit breaker"- numbers will go down for 2 weeks, then what?

There are no easy answers to any of this. More people need to recognise that. I see why NPHET recommended a level 5 lockdown, as their sole objective is to protect public health, and I also see why the government refused it.

I agree Leo made for a better Taoiseach than MM, but his comments the other night were needlessly divisive. NPHET's sole purpose is to advise on what is best for public health- what's so hard to understand about that?

uli84

Shelga wrote: »

Even if we do a "circuit breaker"- numbers will go down for 2 weeks, then what?

There are no easy answers to any of this. More people need to recognise that. I see why NPHET recommended a level 5 lockdown, as their sole objective is to protect public health, and I also see why the government refused it.

I agree Leo made for a better Taoiseach than MM, but his comments the other night were needlessly divisive. NPHET's sole purpose is to advise on what is best for public health- what's so hard to understand about that?

Maybe they have different definitions of “public health”. is Covid Seriously the only indicator of public health these days? Can people not see beyond it? It’s madness. I mean ****, i have serious health problems, same as those around me and this whole thing just makes me laugh/cry or getting frustrated at best of times.

topper75

uli84 wrote: »

Maybe they have different definitions of “public health”. is Covid Seriously the only indicator of public health these days? Can people not see beyond it? It’s madness.

Chairperson of Shannondoc - Dr. Pat Morrisey - was sacked from the role for merely asking this very question.

There is definitely a hysterical aspect to it. It is Ahabesque madness.

FintanMcluskey

Allinall wrote: »

If fines are brought in, the advice will cease to be advice, and become law.

The one good thing about that is I can finally get those old biddies that insist on standing either side of the entrance to shops talking nonsense to each other arrested.

Any grannies I see not keeping 2m apart will be immediately reported to guards.

Were doing this to protect them.

KindOfIrish

Shelga wrote: »

Even if we do a "circuit breaker"- numbers will go down for 2 weeks, then what?

There are no easy answers to any of this. More people need to recognise that. I see why NPHET recommended a level 5 lockdown, as their sole objective is to protect public health, and I also see why the government refused it.

I agree Leo made for a better Taoiseach than MM, but his comments the other night were needlessly divisive. NPHET's sole purpose is to advise on what is best for public health- what's so hard to understand about that?

Really?
BBC: Billionaires see fortunes rise by 27% during the pandemic
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-54446285

That's all what you need to know about "pandemic", "public health" and other nonsense.

FintanMcluskey

KindOfIrish wrote: »

Really?
BBC: Billionaires see fortunes rise by 27% during the pandemic
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-54446285

That's all what you need to know about "pandemic", "public health" and other nonsense.

Blood boiling to see the nonsense dressed up as "public health issue".

Never waste a good crisis to make money

acequion

Penfailed wrote: »

One of the open up cheerleaders in here was recently in Paris. The police are enforcing mask wearing with on the spot fines. The rules have since tightened even more there and they have closed pubs and cafes - they're not even allowing outdoor service. That's just one example.

As I suspected you're not able to provide any satisfactory evidence to your throw away remark that some countries have harsher rules. Other than that nonsense above with the contemptuous bit about "open up cheerleaders," proving that you're just another restrictions for the sake of them, lockdown merchant.

See the article below: Paris has gotten stricter on bars because as they rightly point out it's harder to get people to distance when socialising in a pub. However, being the civilised nation that they are, they have allowed restaurants to continue, albeit with strict regulations. In our nanny state citizens are even denied the pleasure of having a bite to eat out. In fact we're denied all pleasures which is utterly miserable and unnecessarily draconian. Humans need an outlet, they need some pleasure in life. Fact!

So come back and tell me just where in the western world restrictions are harsher than ours?

https://www.voanews.com/covid-19-pandemic/paris-maximum-virus-alert-closing-bars-not-restaurants

FintanMcluskey

acequion wrote: »

As I suspected you're not able to provide any satisfactory evidence to your throw away remark that some countries have harsher rules. Other than that nonsense above with the contemptuous bit about "open up cheerleaders," proving that you're just another restrictions for the sake of them, lockdown merchant.

See the article below: Paris has gotten stricter on bars because as they rightly point out it's harder to get people to distance when socialising in a pub. However, being the civilised nation that they are, they have allowed restaurants to continue, albeit with strict regulations. In our nanny state citizens are even denied the pleasure of having a bite to eat out. In fact we're denied all pleasures which is utterly miserable and unnecessarily draconian. Humans need an outlet, they need some pleasure in life. Fact!

So come back and tell me just where in the western world restrictions are harsher than ours?

https://www.voanews.com/covid-19-pandemic/paris-maximum-virus-alert-closing-bars-not-restaurants

Ireland is an outlier, and has been since June 3rd I believe when Italy opened its bars and restaurants.

I have no idea what the Summer restrictions were based upon.

CruelSummer

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/taoiseach-pays-tribute-to-selfless-chief-medical-officer-tony-holohan-and-praises-his-patriotism-after-varadkar-attack-39597547.html

Back to being a completely spineless Government and bowing to Tony who should not be at the helm at the moment. I don't have confidence in someone who walks back into their job and causes chaos and uproar without any consultation with any other politicians or public / private bodies. And now Míchael cannot wait to sing his praises instead of standing his ground. (Or should I say Leo's ground)

facehugger99

CruelSummer wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/taoiseach-pays-tribute-to-selfless-chief-medical-officer-tony-holohan-and-praises-his-patriotism-after-varadkar-attack-39597547.html

Back to being a completely spineless Government and bowing to Tony who should not be at the helm at the moment. I don't have confidence in someone who walks back into their job and causes chaos and uproar without any consultation with any other politicians or public / private bodies. And now Míchael cannot wait to sing his praises instead of standing his ground. (Or should I saw Leo's ground)

Nauseating.

Penfailed

acequion wrote: »

As I suspected you're not able to provide any satisfactory evidence to your throw away remark that some countries have harsher rules. Other than that nonsense above with the contemptuous bit about "open up cheerleaders," proving that you're just another restrictions for the sake of them, lockdown merchant.

https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-53640249

There you go.

Complain about being contemptuous by being contemptuous and inaccurate. I've repeatedly said that I'm not a lockdown merchant. I don't want any restrictions but I understand the need for them.

Penfailed

Scotland closing all pubs and restaurants along the central region for the next sixteen days. The rest open outdoors only. Tell me again that we're an outlier in this...