Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Beasty

So restrictions are escalating now - everyone on Level 3. Will they be relaxed (ever!!)?

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Part V

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Beasty wrote: »

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Beasty wrote: »

Another reminder - this thread is about restrictions and their relaxation

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In the local a few hours before the restrictions apply, a nice creamy pint in front of me. All the regulars have turned up in solidarity, house nearly filled out with twenty present. Socially distanced and all. Charlie will reopening Thursday, a few tweaks and the outdoor heater fired up. Delighted, the show must go on. Stuff those who say otherwise. I say one word to them: "schools".

Penfailed

[Deleted User] wrote: »

In the local a few hours before the restrictions apply, a nice creamy pint in front of me. All the regulars have turned up in solidarity, house nearly filled out with twenty present. Socially distanced and all. Charlie will reopening Thursday, a few tweaks and the outdoor heater fired up. Delighted, the show must go on. Stuff those who say otherwise. I say one word to them: "schools".

My local has a nicely refurbished area out the back that was tidied up during lockdown. It's one of only three pubs currently open in the town. There was a waiting list all weekend for people wanting to get in (out) for a drink.

_Kaiser_

I see Varadkar is rowing back a bit now and saying that a lockdown isn't off the cards after all.

Ah Leo.. as usual, more concerned about the impact on his profile than any sort of integrity or actual position :rolleyes: Clearly the negative press from his friends in the media today have him worried.

And some want this guy back as Taoiseach??

_Kaiser_

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I see Varadkar is rowing back a bit now and saying that a lockdown isn't off the cards after all.

Ah Leo.. as usual, more concerned about the impact on his profile than any sort of integrity or actual position :rolleyes: Clearly the negative press from his friends in the media today have him worried.

And some want this guy back as Taoiseach??

The "good cop, bad cop" routine is transparent. Gifted on open goal by the leak of NPHET recommendations, thought he had blindsided Holohan with a barely contained cheshire cat grin. A smarmy and underhanded chancer who vastly overestimates his intelligence. You think we're grateful Leo, think again. We see through your shallow facade, you're as slick as bicycle chain oil.

_Kaiser_

Deleted User wrote: »

The "good cop, bad cop" routine is transparent. Gifted on open goal by the leak of NPHET recommendations, thought he had blindsided Holohan with a barely contained cheshire cat grin. A smarmy and underhanded chancer who vastly overestimates his intelligence. You think we're grateful Leo, think again. We see through your shallow facade, you're as slick as bicycle chain oil.

The problem is many DON'T see through it and were completely bought in by the movie-quoting speeches earlier in the year - completely forgetting this is the same guy who took several recounts to get re-elected only a few months before.

Leo is all about Leo. It's something everyone in this country needs to realise IMO.

bloopy

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

The problem is many DON'T see through it and were completely bought in by the movie-quoting speeches earlier in the year - completely forgetting this is the same guy who took several recounts to get re-elected only a few months before.

Leo is all about Leo. It's something everyone in this country needs to realise IMO.

The same people who bought in to the movie speeches a couple of months ago were the most vicious in calling for his head last night.

C__MC

Back to restrictive movements at midnight
Some joke of a county this

CruelSummer

Prime Time....what a car crash. Miriam is more concerned about Varadkar's interview than the major issues at hand. Killeen, Zero Covid please at any cost. They cannot wait to peddle Lockdown, Gardaí powers...This is not the way to live with Covid. This is a way to live in fear and hysteria. No other country in Europe is doing this, we need to get real about what we are proposing if level 5 is on the table. Economic and social catastrophe, plus not enough money to fund our Health service through a pandemic.

C__MC

CruelSummer wrote: »

Prime Time....what a car crash. Miriam is more concerned about Varadkar's interview than the major issues at hand. Killeen, Zero Covid please at any cost. They cannot wait to peddle Lockdown, Gardaí powers...This is not the way to live with Covid. This is a way to live in fear and hysteria. No other country in Europe is doing this, we need to get real about what we are proposing if level 5 is on the table. Economic and social catastrophe, plus not enough money to fund our Health service through a pandemic.

The government and nphet couldn't run a bath
Laughing stock of europe

Hulk Hands

Some people have basic dislike for Leo and/or FG from before the Covid period, and no matter how many good things he does now people will put it down to spin/pr etc.

He was superb in putting NPHET in their place last night, showing the type of authority many of us have been asking for for months. All reports from the meeting between government and NPHET yesterday report him to have spoken the most and with the strongest views against level 5. So it's not just spin.

He was the one that put the progressive reopening in place. When FF railed back against this, he was the one who called out that we were the only nation in Europe without pubs open and set the groundwork to get them open.

I've been no fan of his in the past but in an age of complete buffoonery from FF in government, and needless whataboutery from SF over every tiny thing (Mary Lou coming out against level 5 but then SF criticising government for ignoring NPHET the latest example), Leo has been the sole figure of sanity. People need to judge on actions in the here and now, at least until this crisis is over

Tenzor07

CruelSummer wrote: »

Prime Time....what a car crash. Miriam is more concerned about Varadkar's interview than the major issues at hand. Killeen, Zero Covid please at any cost. They cannot wait to peddle Lockdown, Gardaí powers...This is not the way to live with Covid. This is a way to live in fear and hysteria. No other country in Europe is doing this, we need to get real about what we are proposing if level 5 is on the table. Economic and social catastrophe, plus not enough money to fund our Health service through a pandemic.

MOC needs to be brought down a peg or 300...

Another out of touch media "personality" stuck in the Montrose bubble and being paid €9,000 per week!

FintanMcluskey

Hulk Hands wrote: »

Some people have basic dislike for Leo and/or FG from before the Covid period, and no matter how many good things he does now people will put it down to spin/pr etc.

He was superb in putting NPHET in their place last night, showing the type of authority many of us have been asking for for months. All reports from the meeting between government and NPHET yesterday report him to have spoken the most and with the strongest views against level 5. So it's not just spin.

He was the one that put the progressive reopening in place. When FF railed back against this, he was the one who called out that we were the only nation in Europe without pubs open and set the groundwork to get them open.

I've been no fan of his in the past but in an age of complete buffoonery from FF in government, and needless whataboutery from SF over every tiny thing (Mary Lou coming out against level 5 but then SF criticising government for ignoring NPHET the latest example), Leo has been the sole figure of sanity. People need to judge on actions in the here and now, at least until this crises is over

The easy route for Leo last night was to cuddle in to Tony.

Most of the country is happy to hit level 5 apart from private sector non multinational workers

At the very least he called Tony to heel, lets see what happens

StevenToast

Shouldnt this thread be called "Tightening of Restrictions".......sure we will be at level 5 in a few weeks....

"Circuit break" brigade!!!

uli84

58 deaths in Poland today and weddings of 100 people are allowed,1 death in here -25 people are allowed and to make people’s life harder

HEALTH MINISTER STEPHEN Donnelly has said that couples who were due to get married this week will not receive any grace period to amend their plans

Miserable f*cks, It’s astounding how much crap can people in this country accept/tolerate really

Tenzor07

Tenzor07 wrote: »

MOC needs to be brought down a peg or 300...

Another out of touch media "personality" stuck in the Montrose bubble and being paid €9,000 per week!

the state of them fillers in her face too, the vanity is more of a turn off than anything.

funnydoggy

Next 3 weeks are critical lads :pac:

dundalkfc10

Hulk Hands wrote: »

Some people have basic dislike for Leo and/or FG from before the Covid period, and no matter how many good things he does now people will put it down to spin/pr etc.

He was superb in putting NPHET in their place last night, showing the type of authority many of us have been asking for for months. All reports from the meeting between government and NPHET yesterday report him to have spoken the most and with the strongest views against level 5. So it's not just spin.

He was the one that put the progressive reopening in place. When FF railed back against this, he was the one who called out that we were the only nation in Europe without pubs open and set the groundwork to get them open.

I've been no fan of his in the past but in an age of complete buffoonery from FF in government, and needless whataboutery from SF over every tiny thing (Mary Lou coming out against level 5 but then SF criticising government for ignoring NPHET the latest example), Leo has been the sole figure of sanity. People need to judge on actions in the here and now, at least until this crisis is over

Mary Lou has came out and said she agrees with not going to Level 5 but said his attack on them was a disgrace and asked why are they ignoring NHEPT

You made a valid argument with your opinion then just had to get a dig (lie) in at Sinn Féin, it's laughable

auspicious

Tenzor07 wrote: »

MOC needs to be brought down a peg or 300...

Another out of touch media "personality" stuck in the Montrose bubble and being paid €9,000 per week!

That reminds me. Must pay my tv licence.

Tenzor07

auspicious wrote: »

That reminds me. Must pay my tv licence.

Please do, poor Miriam has 8 hungry children to feed, that's little over €1,000 per child a week to keep them in food and fed... please pay urgently!

Hulk Hands

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Mary Lou has came out and said she agrees with not going to Level 5 but said his attack on them was a disgrace and asked why are they ignoring NHEPT

You made a valid argument with your opinion then just had to get a dig (lie) in at Sinn Féin, it's laughable

Have you watched the SF rethoric over the past 24 hours? If they're in favour with the decision then why this reaction? Dya watch Cullinane in particular last night on CB or tonight on Virgin media? Perhaps ML needs to control what he says a bit more if it goes against the official line.

Spanish Eyes

Varadkar is still the Teesh to me, can't help thinking that. Even though I know he is not.

MM just does not have the Gravitas at all. But he doesn't care no more. He is FF Teesh. Useless Altar Boy. I doubt he cares once he was elected FF TS.

Ginger n Lemon

uli84 wrote: »

58 deaths in Poland today and weddings of 100 people are allowed,1 death in here -25 people are allowed and to make people’s life harder

HEALTH MINISTER STEPHEN Donnelly has said that couples who were due to get married this week will not receive any grace period to amend their plans

Miserable f*cks, It’s astounding how much crap can people in this country accept/tolerate really

Just disgraceful.

:mad:

I am still fuming they went to level 3 as a "compromise" with NPHET. Spineless.

UCD and NUIG to stay teaching online until after Christmas
Universities move online until Christmas to give students certainty on what to expect

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/ucd-and-nuig-to-stay-teaching-online-until-after-christmas-1.4373944

To give certainty on what to expect. 0 college experience. Stay at home hermit lifestyle. Lol College campus will be as famous as a bloody DVD 6 months from now.

IrishHomer

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Just disgraceful.

:mad:

I am still fuming they went to level 3 as a "compromise" with NPHET. Spineless.

UCD and NUIG to stay teaching online until after Christmas
Universities move online until Christmas to give students certainty on what to expect

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/ucd-and-nuig-to-stay-teaching-online-until-after-christmas-1.4373944

To give certainty on what to expect. 0 college experience. Stay at home hermit lifestyle. Lol College campus will be as famous as a bloody DVD 6 months from now.

The population of Poland is approximately 38 million so I think their Covid numbers can't be compared to our little island.

Penfailed

CruelSummer wrote: »

No other country in Europe is doing this

I know. Some of them have harsher restrictions.

FintanMcluskey

IrishHomer wrote: »

The population of Poland is approximately 38 million so I think their Covid numbers can't be compared to our little island.

I really dont follow.

The equivalent in Ireland is about 7-8 death's, not seen here in a long time.

Trouser Snake

Penfailed wrote: »

I know. Some of them have harsher restrictions.

Children in national schools in Czech Republic not allowed to sing so a Czech woman told me today.

FintanMcluskey

Penfailed wrote: »

I know. Some of them have harsher restrictions.

Come on Pen, your the only outier on here, you need a stronger argument

Galadriel

Earlier on this thread a poster said that hotels could only cater for 'essential guests' and not 'tourist guests'.

Can anyone verify please if you can stay in a hotel in your home county? the information I am hearing on this is totally conflicting as I found this online earlier:

Hotels and retail

Hotels and accommodation will be open but services limited to residents.

uli84

uli84 wrote: »

58 deaths in Poland today and weddings of 100 people are allowed,1 death in here -25 people are allowed and to make people’s life harder

HEALTH MINISTER STEPHEN Donnelly has said that couples who were due to get married this week will not receive any grace period to amend their plans

Miserable f*cks, It’s astounding how much crap can people in this country accept/tolerate really

A lot of my work is in weddings which was slowly showing signs of life once again over late August and September. Today was a day of cancellations for the next 3 weeks of course.

Sucks for me, yeah, but good luck to any couples committing to having their wedding in Ireland for the next 9 months minimum. It's just way too uncertain a time and your plans could be drastically changed at the drop of a hat as we've seen.

There are some couples who have been put well through the mill by now. Many on their 2nd postponements after originally postponing from March until later in the year. "Oh boohoo, it's only a wedding"...It's a ball of stress is what it is, and not good at all for one's mental health.

Penfailed

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Come on Pen, your the only outier on here, you need a stronger argument

It hasn't stopped you. Your You're not one for the strong arguments yourself.

Penfailed

Galadriel wrote: »

Earlier on this thread a poster said that hotels could only cater for 'essential guests' and not 'tourist guests'.

Can anyone verify please if you can stay in a hotel in your home county? the information I am hearing on this is totally conflicting as I found this online earlier:

Hotels and retail

Hotels and accommodation will be open but services limited to residents.

Phone the hotel. They'll be best placed to answer any queries you have.

FintanMcluskey

Galadriel wrote: »

Earlier on this thread a poster said that hotels could only cater for 'essential guests' and not 'tourist guests'.

Can anyone verify please if you can stay in a hotel in your home county? the information I am hearing on this is totally conflicting as I found this online earlier:

Hotels and retail

Hotels and accommodation will be open but services limited to residents.

Im an essential worker. Mickey Mouse type.

The Plaza in Westport told me I cant stay tomorrow night.

The girl checking me in told me they are closing as citizens can only stay in their own county

km79

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Im an essential worker. Mickey Mouse type.

The Plaza in Westport told me I cant stay tomorrow night.

The girl checking me in told me they are closing as citizens can only stay in their own county

Fk that’s where we were going !
We are from Mayo

FintanMcluskey

Penfailed wrote: »

It hasn't stopped you. Your You're not one for the strong arguments yourself.

No competition if Im honest.

Galadriel

Penfailed wrote: »

Phone the hotel. They'll be best placed to answer any queries you have.

Yeah but I am genuinely curious as to what the actual rules are as it doesn't seem clear (like the rest of the 'living with covid' plan).

acequion

Penfailed wrote: »

I know. Some of them have harsher restrictions.

Which ones have harsher restrictions and how are they harsher? I'm genuinely curious. Varadkar in his controversial interview last night said that our restrictions are among the harshest. So if you know who has it worse do tell us?

FintanMcluskey

km79 wrote: »

Fk that’s where we were going !
We are from Mayo

The plaza is shut regardless.
Some local B&B is open.

Im not a peasant so I explained I dont entertain B&Bs

km79

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

The plaza is shut.

Some local B&B is open.

Im not a peasant so I explained I dont entertain B&Bs

Damn
I am suprised at that.
Not the end of the world though .

Padkir

km79 wrote: »

Damn
I am suprised at that.
Not the end of the world though .

Westport Woods is staying open. For the next couple of weeks at least anyway.

uli84

uli84 wrote: »

58 deaths in Poland today and weddings of 100 people are allowed,1 death in here -25 people are allowed and to make people’s life harder

They are obviously baldy mismanaging the pandemic, they should be held up as an example of how not to deal with it yet you are somehow promoting their way of doing things? Crazy crazy stuff.

km79

Padkir wrote: »

Westport Woods is staying open. For the next couple of weeks at least anyway.

Thanks
I was 50/50 whether we would go anyway and now that they Plaza is closed we are not going to bother
The fact it would have been residents only was going to be a real plus but obviously it must not be viable for them to stay open sadly

Mendelsohn33

km79 wrote: »

Thanks
I was 50/50 whether we would go anyway and now that they Plaza is closed we are not going to bother
The fact it would have been residents only was going to be a real plus but obviously it must not be viable for them to stay open sadly

It's 50-50 at this stage.
I mean I am very buttblasted and sore about orange trump being president.
I was a moderator on a political discussion board in 2015 2016 and I bet all my eggs on hillary
Now nobody respects my opinion on political matters
So ya
I will ban anybody
Co's I was wrong.

I need to buy some trump butt salve cream because I was so wrong
And every body sees it

Strumms

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Varadkar is still the Teesh to me, can't help thinking that. Even though I know he is not.

MM just does not have the Gravitas at all. But he doesn't care no more. He is FF Teesh. Useless Altar Boy. I doubt he cares once he was elected FF TS.

Martin doesn’t have the charisma of Leo. But in a way we need to be grateful for that. I think Leo is disingenuous and that mask of charisma even with his mask very much slipping is still for a lot of people coming between them and the real Leo.

Martin is more what you see is what you get. Gravitas a plenty. When he is worried he looks it, relaxed the same. Leo just that painted on smile. See through. So far at the latter part of this crisis we’ve seen an honest enough broker in MM, whereby with Leo you saw a lot of smiling and is his and the FG way, talking out of both sides of his mouth.

Penfailed

acequion wrote: »

Which ones have harsher restrictions and how are they harsher? I'm genuinely curious. Varadkar in his controversial interview last night said that our restrictions are among the harshest. So if you know who has it worse do tell us?

One of the open up cheerleaders in here was recently in Paris. The police are enforcing mask wearing with on the spot fines. The rules have since tightened even more there and they have closed pubs and cafes - they're not even allowing outdoor service. That's just one example.

3xh

Galadriel wrote: »

Earlier on this thread a poster said that hotels could only cater for 'essential guests' and not 'tourist guests'.

Can anyone verify please if you can stay in a hotel in your home county? the information I am hearing on this is totally conflicting as I found this online earlier:

Hotels and retail

Hotels and accommodation will be open but services limited to residents.

The word residents here doesn’t mean county residents but residents of the hotel. Guests, in other words. The facilities, within the hotel, that are operating are for guests only.

uli84

IrishHomer wrote: »

The population of Poland is approximately 38 million so I think their Covid numbers can't be compared to our little island.

Well it surely isn’t 58 times higher and it’s deaths we need to look at right now

uli84

Penfailed wrote: »

One of the open up cheerleaders in here was recently in Paris. The police are enforcing mask wearing with on the spot fines. The rules have since tightened even more there and they have closed pubs and cafes - they're not even allowing outdoor service. That's just one example.

That’s not the whole country though, right?

pjohnson

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

The plaza is shut regardless.
Some local B&B is open.

Im not a peasant so I explained I dont entertain B&Bs

So much for supporting businesses Finny

Penfailed

uli84 wrote: »

That’s not the whole country though, right?

Right.

Jinglejangle69

Strumms wrote: »

Martin doesn’t have the charisma of Leo. But in a way we need to be grateful for that. I think Leo is disingenuous and that mask of charisma even with his mask very much slipping is still for a lot of people coming between them and the real Leo.

Martin is more what you see is what you get. Gravitas a plenty. When he is worried he looks it, relaxed the same. Leo just that painted on smile. See through. So far at the latter part of this crisis we’ve seen an honest enough broker in MM, whereby with Leo you saw a lot of smiling and is his and the FG way, talking out of both sides of his mouth.

Why is is the same people in boards who constantly slated Leo and FG before covid constantly get away with slating Leo and FG constantly on covid threads.

It's purely political.

People want more cases so we go to level 5 and they can gleefully come here and slate Leo.