Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

end of the road

Deleted User wrote: »

Laughable stuff.

Have a look at Ryanair’s 197M losses as just 1 example.
Rural airports in danger of closing.
Ask anyone in retail, entertainment, Tourism and hospitality how much profit they are making.
Ask the banks how much profit they are making. Google BOI and Ulster Bank in particular.

Look at our budget with a 20 billion deficit...

Do I need to continue?

these industries were always hugely vulnerable to covid, simply throwing open the doors would not have protected them, in fact it may have put some of them into an even worse position.
you have said nothing here to argue against my previous post, you have not posted anything that wouldn't have happened anyway.

Don't Chute! wrote: »

Can’t buy clothes
Can’t get a haircut
Can’t go to a coffee shop
Can’t go to a restaurant
Can’t go to the cinema
Can’t stay in a hotel
Can’t go to a pub
Can’t travel
I could go on........

the vast majority of those are non-essential with the inability to get a haircut being an inconvenience.
clothes can be bought online.

Chalk McHugh

Don't Chute! wrote: »

Can’t buy clothes
Can’t get a haircut
Can’t go to a coffee shop
Can’t go to a restaurant
Can’t go to the cinema
Can’t stay in a hotel
Can’t go to a pub
Can’t travel
I could go on........

You can get a haircut. I got one. You can too.

Chalk McHugh

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

https://alcoholireland.ie/dr-tony-holohan-chief-medical-officer-delivers-the-opening-address-at-alcohol-action-irelands-have-we-bottled-it-alcohol-marketing-and-young-people-conference/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.rte.ie/amp/314731/

That's a frightening read on how much Hoolahan is anti-alcohol.

end of the road

end of the road wrote: »

these industries were always hugely vulnerable to covid, simply throwing open the doors would not have protected them, in fact it may have put some of them into an even worse position.
you have said nothing here to argue against my previous post, you have not posted anything that wouldn't have happened anyway.

.

Officially in recession. 20 billion deficit. Record numbers unemployed.

If you think the economy is ok I will leave you to it.

FintanMcluskey

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

That's a frightening read on how much Hoolahan is anti-alcohol.

That’s why the pubs won’t be opening any time soon.

Tony wants to rearrange our freedom and access to alcohol.

Unsettling man

copeyhagen

end of the road wrote: »

these industries were always hugely vulnerable to covid, simply throwing open the doors would not have protected them, in fact it may have put some of them into an even worse position.
you have said nothing here to argue against my previous post, you have not posted anything that wouldn't have happened anyway.







the vast majority of those are non-essential with the inability to get a haircut being an inconvenience.
clothes can be bought online.

lol are you for real

Chalk McHugh

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

That’s why the pubs won’t be opening any time soon.

Tony wants to rearrange our freedom and access to alcohol.

Unsettling man

After reading that, if i didn't already fear the worst, i certainly do now.

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

https://alcoholireland.ie/dr-tony-holohan-chief-medical-officer-delivers-the-opening-address-at-alcohol-action-irelands-have-we-bottled-it-alcohol-marketing-and-young-people-conference/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.rte.ie/amp/314731/

Perhaps the real agenda...

FintanMcluskey

Deleted User wrote: »

Perhaps the real agenda...

Kept him awake at night for over a decade, he got his desire eventually

ceadaoin.

normanoffside wrote: »

At one point Tony said he hasn't ruled out letting people travel home for Christmas yet.

The guy is having a fcuking laugh. People will travel home for Christmas whether he lets them or not, his only job is to recommended whether they should be asked to get a test or not.

Who would have thought last year that any western country would be restricting peoples social lives and movements to the point that many will be pathetically grateful if the government "allows" them to see their own families at Christmas. Absolute joke.

These lockdowns will be looked back on as barbaric and responsible for many more deaths and trauma and economic ruin than the virus ever was.

hmmm

manniot2 wrote: »

You won’t see an indoor pub or restaurant open in 2020 in this country.

Indoor locations with poor ventilation (or air conditioning) with lots of people talking or shouting is superspread central.

I've said from the start that we needed to move as much as possible outdoors. It's too late now, we needed to build these temporary areas and close the streets during the Summer. The social distancing theatre makes very little difference if you're indoors breathing each others air for hours on end.

I think it's Level 3 until a vaccine, but with the limit on outdoors dining lifted. Until then we need to support businesses which have to close, and we need to encourage those who can to find alternatives (e.g. take-away or outdoor dining).

end of the road

Deleted User wrote: »

Perhaps the real agenda...

alcohol is still available.
clearly tony's attempts to push whatever agenda people believe he is trying to push in relation to alcohol is a complete failure.

JRant

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Not a chance.

New Year’s Eve will be spent watching Tony look concerned on a Ryan Tubridy special countdown broadcast.

A special broadcast on the countdown to lockdown

FintanMcluskey

hmmm wrote: »

Indoor locations with poor ventilation (or air conditioning) with lots of people talking or shouting is superspread central.

I've said from the start that we needed to move as much as possible outdoors. It's too late now, we needed to build these temporary areas and close the streets during the Summer.

You should visit Ireland some time.

Beautiful place, rains a lot

bucketybuck

Any time I see somebody talk about outdoor dining as if it is a viable option in our climate, I immediately put them in the "full of ****" column.

_Kaiser_

hmmm wrote: »

Indoor locations with poor ventilation (or air conditioning) with lots of people talking or shouting is superspread central.

I've said from the start that we needed to move as much as possible outdoors. It's too late now, we needed to build these temporary areas and close the streets during the Summer. The social distancing theatre makes very little difference if you're indoors breathing each others air for hours on end.

I think it's Level 3 until a vaccine, but with the limit on outdoors dining lifted. Until then we need to support businesses which have to close, and we need to encourage those who can to find alternatives (e.g. take-away or outdoor dining).

Outdoor dining in the cold, wet and dark-by-5pm of winter?

Seriously?

GazzaL

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

You can get a haircut. I got one. You can too.

It's actually easier and more convenient to get a haircut these days.

Allinall

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Outdoor dining in the cold, wet and dark-by-5pm of winter?

Seriously?

Ever heard of awnings and heaters?

growleaves

The logic behind statistics-based coercion is not believeable.

"Now that seroprevalence has risen from 1.7% to 2.2% it is scientific to beat people with nightsticks to prevent their movements"

People who have been steeped in pseudo-technical linguistic falsity on a daily basis - many members of the managerial and professional classes - can go along with such dishonesty fairly easily.

The corruption of this way of thinking is obvious to someone who stands outside of it.

Even though numbers are objective and neutral, forcible closures, restrictions of movements, micro-policing etc. 'based on the numbers' are not neutral matters. Human beings aren't figurines - they aren't pure material in an equation.

I object to making R numbers the ruling principle of our society. That is very wrong.

It has also set us up for a future in which micro-analyses of CO2 emissions are used to justify a neo-Soviet system of control and coercion.

We know which kinds of people will insist on enforcing this and the sophist arguments they will make.

Those who can see clearly should refuse to lend support to these systems.

hmmm

hmmm wrote: »

Indoor locations with poor ventilation (or air conditioning) with lots of people talking or shouting is superspread central.

I've said from the start that we needed to move as much as possible outdoors. It's too late now, we needed to build these temporary areas and close the streets during the Summer. The social distancing theatre makes very little difference if you're indoors breathing each others air for hours on end.

I think it's Level 3 until a vaccine, but with the limit on outdoors dining lifted. Until then we need to support businesses which have to close, and we need to encourage those who can to find alternatives (e.g. take-away or outdoor dining).

Lots of people saying the vaccine won’t even provide immunity anyways and people will still be catching Covid.

What then? Level 3 forever? Wait for a better vaccine?

At any point will we accept that very very few are dying?

Thierry12

Allinall wrote: »

Ever heard of awnings and heaters?

They gonna lay down drains too?

Thierry12

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Lots of people saying the vaccine won’t even provide immunity anyways and people will still be catching Covid.

What then? Level 3 forever? Wait for a better vaccine?

At any point will we accept that very very few are dying?

No immunity but you won't get very sick

Vaccines will be here in December going by German's confidence

When they vaccinate healthcare workers and over 60s, it's game over for Covid

500,000 doses is enough to turn Covid into a flu here

I'm pretty optimistic we will get those 500,000 doses out fast

Can't wait to go gym and cinema again

snotboogie

Deleted User wrote: »

Lots of people saying the vaccine won’t even provide immunity anyways and people will still be catching Covid.

What then? Level 3 forever? Wait for a better vaccine?

At any point will we accept that very very few are dying?

1.2 million covid deaths in 9 months...

1,200 deaths per week in the Czech Rep at the moment, they have only double our population, 900 deaths per week in Belgium, again with only double our population. 350 deaths per day in France over the last week, 260 per day in the UK, 220 per day in Italy. Europe is having between 2,00 and 3,000 covid deaths per day, every day over the last week.

Mr. Karate

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

It’s not about deaths???

Since when??? Stay home, save lives.

Well there was those few weeks where BLM was protesting and you'd swear that this virus all but disappeared.

martingriff

Allinall wrote: »

Ever heard of awnings and heaters?

There is only so much an awning and a heather can do with the weather we have had the last few days

snotboogie

snotboogie wrote: »

1.2 million covid deaths in 9 months...

1,200 deaths per week in the Czech Rep at the moment, they have only double our population, 900 deaths per week in Belgium, again with only double our population. 350 deaths per day in France over the last week, 260 per day in the UK, 220 per day in Italy. Europe is having between 2,00 and 3,000 covid deaths per day, every day over the last week.

Countries originally locked down thinking there would be dead bodies piling up in the streets.

1.2M is an extremely low death toll. Especially considering most are WITH and not OF Covid.

hmmm

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Outdoor dining in the cold, wet and dark-by-5pm of winter?

Seriously?

It's that or take-away only. We've wasted so much time promising pubs & restaurants they can reopen indoors, despite it being very clear from earlier in the year that this was not realistic. That time could have been spent building outdoor areas which would have allowed those businesses get through the worst of this.

Even if everything goes right on the vaccine and treatments, this will still last until at least Summer 2021. We could get on with this now, and it's not fair to expect businesses to shoulder the cost given so much uncertainty.

FintanMcluskey

Deleted User wrote: »

Countries originally locked down thinking there would be dead bodies piling up in the streets.

1.2M is an extremely low death toll. Especially considering most are WITH and not OF Covid.

Not that those posters would be bothered but the “Covid famine” in 3rd world nations as a result of restrictions in 1st world countries is likely to see just as many die.

Doesn’t seem to generate attention on social media as much for some reason.

JRant

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

You should visit Ireland some time.

Beautiful place, rains a lot

It's particularly beautiful when the rain comes in sideways with the strong winds we get all year round.

FintanMcluskey

hmmm wrote: »

It's that or take-away only. We've wasted so much time promising pubs & restaurants they can reopen indoors, despite it being very clear from earlier in the year that this was not realistic. That time could have been spent building outdoor areas which would have allowed those businesses get through the worst of this.

Even if everything goes right on the vaccine and treatments, this will still last until at least Summer 2021. We could get on with this now, and it's not fair to expect businesses to shoulder the cost given so much uncertainty.

So we can shift the blame for the HSEs criminal failure to increase ICU capacity in healthcare as advised, to the hospitality industry for not roofing the country?