43 -63% of Africans in Ireland are unemployed

Ralph Ciffereto · 07-09-2019 9:01am

recedite wrote: »

If they can withstand the boredom for 4 years, get papers and sign on for 6 months, then work for 6 months, they can claim Irish citizenship.
Which makes them as Irish as somebody born and bred here, according to some.

I always wonder how people even end up getting deported at all when you see people from the likes of Bangladesh be granted asylum or leave to remain. It's like there's a minimum quota and some poor sod has to draw the short straw.

Augme · 07-09-2019 9:10am

JamBur wrote: »

The company I work in hires contract staff in quite regularly. There is often African lads come in. They require a lot of extra attention and training.

Most have never been in a factory environment before. Unfortunately some of them react negatively to this extra attention. They perceive it as being due to their colour. I cannot emphasize enough that it is ability. not race that necessitates the extra attention. Before I would have helped out with training them up, but now Ill stay away from it.

Rascist posts like this post perfectly sum up why unemployment rate with Africans is so high.

Mr. teddywinkles · 07-09-2019 9:37am

Augme wrote: »

Rascist posts like this post perfectly sum up why unemployment rate with Africans is so high.

Yep sure is. Ya hit the nail on the head there so ya did. That's whys totally

Mongfinder General · 07-09-2019 9:37am

Augme wrote: »

Rascist posts like this post perfectly sum up why unemployment rate with Africans is so high.

The unemployment rate is below 5% in this country. If you cannot find a job in this economy, you are one or more of the following

1. Bone idle lazy
2. Mentally incapacitated
3. On drugs
4. Prefer to stay on benefits

Almost Anybody with a heart beat can find a job today. An overhaul of the benefits system in this country is long overdue. Specific, long term welfare cases should be targeted with legislation.

vriesmays · 07-09-2019 10:09am

Augme wrote: »

Rascist posts like this post perfectly sum up why unemployment rate with Africans is so high.

Maybe you need to stop thinking with your feelings.

Yurt2 · 07-09-2019 10:29am

Ralph Ciffereto wrote: »

Let's break it down for a second. An asylum claim for any non EU state will generally be entertained for up to several years potentially, as long as the claimant doesn't originate from a country we'd regard as rich and westernised (North America, Australia etc). Hence why many claimants come from imperfect but fully functioning democracies such as Georgia, Albania and South Africa (S.A having been democratic since 1994 and legalised gay marriage back when most Irish people thought it was a laughable idea).

I know that there have been people from the USA, South Korea and Chile in the direct provision system making claims for international protection at various stages. All developed, wealthy democracies.

They are of course declined, but they are legally entitled to go through the appeals process should they wish to do so. Barristers and solicitors making bank all they way.

Ralph Ciffereto · 07-09-2019 10:33am

Mongfinder General wrote: »

The unemployment rate is below 5% in this country. If you cannot find a job in this economy, you are one or more of the following

1. Bone idle lazy
2. Mentally incapacitated
3. On drugs
4. Prefer to stay on benefits

Almost Anybody with a heart beat can find a job today. An overhaul of the benefits system in this country is long overdue. Specific, long term welfare cases should be targeted with legislation.

There's two types of permanently unemployed people in Ireland.

There are those who think refugees etc get a better standard of benefits than they do, and get hassled less by Intreo to find a job. This goes on a case by case basis. Is a person in direct provision getting better benefits than some waster in his 50s who got a council house in his 20s and has barely worked?

No.

Is a Syrian family being gifted a home within 3 months of arrival being treated better than an Irish family living in a hotel for a year?

Absolutely. And unlike the aforementioned dole lifer, plenty of lower income working people can find themselves in emergency accommodation.

The other class of Irish welfare warrior is the left wing party aligned one. He or she lives a comfortable if not extravagant life on benefits and housing assistance, and they see no reason why people from abroad shouldn't be entitled to some of the same pie, seeing as you and me will pay for it.

road_high · 07-09-2019 11:02am

Some of the top “asylum “ countries to Ireland are frankly a piss take- the likes of Albania and Georgia near the top- they are economic migrants nothing more. And psssed through about a dozen safe countries to get here. Total and utter farce

Yurt2 · 07-09-2019 11:17am

road_high wrote: »

Some of the top “asylum “ countries to Ireland are frankly a piss take- the likes of Albania and Georgia near the top- they are economic migrants nothing more. And psssed through about a dozen safe countries to get here. Total and utter farce

Albanian gangs are cleaning up in the cocaine trade in the UK. This is only my suspicion, but some of these gangs may be using Ireland as a way to access the UK, as the British have been cracking down with immigration for a number of years now.

There was a huge spike in Pakistani applicants here a couple of years back after a nationwide immigration enforcement on bogus students in Blighty. Among them was the infamous Longford based Pakistani 'nurse' who took to social media to fight his deportation - he was already persona-non-grata in the UK.

lola85 · 07-09-2019 11:21am

Remember lads build all the social houses we need for everyone who declares themselves homeless and arrives here from war torn countries.

Just keep building, I’m sure they will stop coming once there is an over supply of free houses because they are honest people who aren’t here to take advantage of us absolute mugs.

Sleeper12 · 07-09-2019 12:03pm

Boggles wrote:

African unemployment is in and around 16%.

But, but, but they are facts. You can't go around using facts on racist threads. You will confuse the racists

biko · 07-09-2019 12:15pm

Boggles wrote: »

African unemployment is in and around 16%.

From article

African nationals living in Ireland have a higher unemployment rate than other migrants and Irish people.

It has found that 16% of Africans living in Ireland are out of work, compared with 4% of people from western European countries.

The employment rate for Africans in Ireland was also very low at 45%, while 66% of Irish nationals were working.

It doesn't mention why this is. Lower education levels perhaps?

road_high · 07-09-2019 1:02pm

Yurt! wrote: »

Albanian gangs are cleaning up in the cocaine trade in the UK. This is only my suspicion, but some of these gangs may be using Ireland as a way to access the UK, as the British have been cracking down with immigration for a number of years now.

There was a huge spike in Pakistani applicants here a couple of years back after a nationwide immigration enforcement on bogus students in Blighty. Among them was the infamous Longford based Pakistani 'nurse' who took to social media to fight his deportation - he was already persona-non-grata in the UK.

I keep saying it but Ireland is a soft touch and these scam artists can run rings around our caring sharing system and the general good nature of the Irish people. Australia is the model we should emulate- if the bleeding heart brigade go up in arms well they can pay for these fraudsters themselves

Blueshoe · 07-09-2019 1:04pm

road_high wrote: »

I keep saying it but Ireland is a soft touch and these scam artists can run rings around our caring sharing system and the general good nature of the Irish people. Australia is the model we should emulate- if the bleeding heart brigade go up in arms well they can pay for these fraudsters themselves

The EU make the rules.

road_high · 07-09-2019 1:10pm

Blueshoe wrote: »

The EU make the rules.

I’ve heard that excuse used numerous times but doesn’t add up because other EU states take a far harder line on this non sense.
I blame our own govt, media and set of moral guardian who seem to dictate everything here

road_high · 07-09-2019 2:33pm

lola85 wrote: »

Remember lads build all the social houses we need for everyone who declares themselves homeless and arrives here from war torn countries.

Just keep building, I’m sure they will stop coming once there is an over supply of free houses because they are honest people who aren’t here to take advantage of us absolute mugs.

They’ll be reproducing also at a rapid rate (first priority usually, you’d think the last thing “refugees” would need are more kids but hey ho) so multiply that by about 5 or 6.

Blueshoe · 07-09-2019 2:36pm

road_high wrote: »

I’ve heard that excuse used numerous times but doesn’t add up because other EU states take a far harder line on this non sense.
I blame our own govt, media and set of moral guardian who seem to dictate everything here

I would say that most Irish people are happy with the current immigration situation

super_furry · 07-09-2019 2:37pm

A 20% margin of error sounds like a guess. What percentage of those people are barred from working?

antix80 · 07-09-2019 2:38pm

Blueshoe wrote: »

I would say that most Irish people are happy with the current immigration situation

I would say most Irish people are fed up of it.

JohnMc1 · 07-09-2019 2:39pm

Blueshoe wrote: »

I would say that most Irish people are happy with the current immigration situation

Give it until the Oct budget or a year or two for them to really notice the changes in Ireland.

Blueshoe · 07-09-2019 2:41pm

antix80 wrote: »

I would say most Irish people are fed up of it.

Yet to see any real push back against it bar a few posts on boards.ie.

Have you?

road_high · 07-09-2019 2:43pm

Blueshoe wrote: »

I would say that most Irish people are happy with the current immigration situation

They aren’t at all. But it’s slipped very much under the radar and any debate has been nicely shut down by the “you’re racist” brigade. It’s a fundamental issue for me, our migration policy or lack there of.
No major issue with EU migration bar Romania which has landed a heap of problems on our doorstep and never should have been allowed free moment as the disparity in living standards is too great still.

Blueshoe · 07-09-2019 2:44pm

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Give it until the Oct budget or a year or two for them to really notice the changes in Ireland.

Over 820,000 people living here who were born in a foreign country at the time of census 2016.
Almost one fifth of the population.
Obviously vast majority are just normal working people.

But I haven't seen any real opposition to this. So people are happy with the current trend

road_high · 07-09-2019 2:44pm

Blueshoe wrote: »

Yet to see any real push back against it bar a few posts on boards.ie.

Have you?

The debate gets shut down unfortunately

road_high · 07-09-2019 2:46pm

Blueshoe wrote: »

Over 820,000 people living here who were born in a foreign country at the time of census 2016.
Almost one fifth of the population.
Obviously vast majority are just normal working people.

But I haven't seen any real opposition to this. So people are happy with the current trend

Are the “vast majority “? Certainly not on the case of Africans where 70% aren’t. And god only knows what the real stats are.
A County Cllr in Kildare spoke up a few years ago about his frustration dealing with the aggressive demands of certain Africans and the guy was absolutely vilified. All he did was speak the truth

Sonny noggs · 07-09-2019 2:47pm

Blueshoe wrote: »

Yet to see any real push back against it bar a few posts on boards.ie.

Have you?

Mention concerns with immigration levels in the ‘real world’ and you very quickly get branded racist and right wing, with same reinforced by the media. So you won’t openly see push back which is by design.

madmac187 · 07-09-2019 2:55pm

road_high wrote: »

Meanwhile the native Irish are forced to commute from places like Portlaoise with their hard earned taxes paying the rent allowance for these lot. Some country!

Portlaoise is fairly bad too. Been abused a few times called a white devil etc. Have heard stories of Africans demanding new houses because they want 4 beds instead of 3 with not enough occupants to cover. Loads of houses also been turned down because they dont like the houses or too far away from centre of town. Fairly bad tbh. Not to mention abusive and threatening behaviour to people in council.

Blueshoe · 07-09-2019 2:55pm

road_high wrote: »

Are the “vast majority “? Certainly not on the case of Africans where 70% aren’t. And god only knows what the real stats are.
A County Cllr in Kildare spoke up a few years ago about his frustration dealing with the aggressive demands of certain Africans and the guy was absolutely vilified. All he did was speak the truth

The vast majority of Africans clearly aren't. As per the stats.

Again I don't think the vast majority of people actually care. They are either happy with the situation, aren't informed or are too docile to complain.

But who do you go to if you aren't happy with the situation?
You will definitely be branded a racist. Once one person calls someone a racist the masses automatically agree and your opinion becomes mute.

From your local politician to the top of the EU there is nobody who will listen to your concerns.

road_high · 07-09-2019 3:13pm

madmac187 wrote: »

Portlaoise is fairly bad too. Been abused a few times called a white devil etc. Have heard stories of Africans demanding new houses because they want 4 beds instead of 3 with not enough occupants to cover. Loads of houses also been turned down because they dont like the houses or too far away from centre of town. Fairly bad tbh. Not to mention abusive and threatening behaviour to people in council.

How is this ****e being tolerated? Yes little Lagos as it’s called. They’ve added very little to an already fairly rough town

Sleeper12 · 07-09-2019 3:59pm

road_high wrote: »

Are the “vast majority “? Certainly not on the case of Africans where 70% aren’t. And god only knows what the real stats are.
A County Cllr in Kildare spoke up a few years ago about his frustration dealing with the aggressive demands of certain Africans and the guy was absolutely vilified. All he did was speak the truth

In bold, can you link to this claim?

This: https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/1107/1009164-esri_migrants/ has already been posted on the thread but you insist on ignoring the facts & making up your own "Trump" like "facts"

It has found that 16% of Africans living in Ireland are out of work, compared with 4% of people from western European countries.

road_high · 07-09-2019 4:21pm

Sleeper12 wrote: »

In bold, can you link to this claim?

This: https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/1107/1009164-esri_migrants/ has already been posted on the thread but you insist on ignoring the facts & making up your own "Trump" like "facts"

Ah the owl Trumpisms come out because I’m hitting a nerve ! I’m referring to the data in the original post that up to 63% are bone idle and living off the state- that can easily be rounded up to 70% with dead end courses and the like that are used to massage figures.
Even your own stats state African Migrants are an eye watering 4 times more likely to be on the scratcher- no doubt hugely weighed down by the racist Irish and our endless prejudices

Blueshoe · 07-09-2019 4:24pm

The real question is:

What are any of you going to do about it?

road_high · 07-09-2019 4:24pm

JamBur wrote: »

The company I work in hires contract staff in quite regularly. There is often African lads come in. They require a lot of extra attention and training.

Most have never been in a factory environment before. Unfortunately some of them react negatively to this extra attention. They perceive it as being due to their colour. I cannot emphasize enough that it is ability. not race that necessitates the extra attention. Before I would have helped out with training them up, but now Ill stay away from it.

That’s because the do gooder brigade have instilled the race card into these people

dodderangler · 07-09-2019 4:25pm

IMO if you do not have a job within 3 mo the of being here you should be shipped back home.

road_high · 07-09-2019 4:27pm

Blueshoe wrote: »

The real question is:

What are any of you going to do about it?

I’d close off non EU migration completely and base it rigorously and entirely on labour, skills and economic need. But unfortunately common sense isn't iin charge

The Kang · 07-09-2019 4:27pm

But I thought the migrants were here to pay our pensions?

road_high · 07-09-2019 4:28pm

The Kang wrote: »

But I thought the migrants were here to pay our pensions?

No we’re here to pay their housing, medical and welfare costs silly

road_high · 07-09-2019 4:31pm

Sleeper12 wrote: »

But, but, but they are facts. You can't go around using facts on racist threads. You will confuse the racists

Why is it racist to scrutinize the abnormal unemployment levels in a community that have moved to Ireland? Surely it’s prudent and necessary to do so?

Sleeper12 · 07-09-2019 4:34pm

road_high wrote:

Ah the owl Trumpisms come out because Iâ€™m hitting a nerve ! Iâ€™m referring to the data in the original post that up to 63% are bone idle and living off the state- that can easily be rounded up to 70% with dead end courses and the like that are used to massage figures. Even your own stats state African Migrants are an eye watering 4 times more likely to be on the scratcher- no doubt hugely weighed down by the racist Irish and our endless prejudices

Have you not read the thread at all?

The link on the opening post doesn't work but even if it did work we know as fact, real fact not alternative fact, that the claim is totally false. Why do you continue to quote fake news?

16 percent of Africans living in Ireland are unemployed. This is fact. 16 percent, not 50 percent or 70 percent.

I should point out that much more than 16 percent of some white Irish housing estates are unemployed. 16 percent isn't a massive percentage on the grand scheme of things considering education, language racism etc.

You can be as anti immigration as you like in your posts but jasus why can't you keep them factual instead of posting fake facts?

Blueshoe · 07-09-2019 4:42pm

road_high wrote: »

I’d close off non EU migration completely and base it rigorously and entirely on labour, skills and economic need. But unfortunately common sense isn't iin charge

That will never happen. The majority see no problem or more importantly those with the powers to make changes see no problem with the current situation.

Europe is changing whether we like it or not. This is only the beginning.

Sleeper12 · 07-09-2019 4:53pm

road_high wrote:

Why is it racist to scrutinize the abnormal unemployment levels in a community that have moved to Ireland? Surely itâ€™s prudent and necessary to do so?

It's racist to continue to post false facts when genuine facts have been shown to you with links to the source of facts. Again, the claim in the opening post are false. The correct percentage is 16 percent. The official figures are 16 percent & no higher.

road_high · 07-09-2019 5:01pm

Sleeper12 wrote: »

It's racist to continue to post false facts when genuine facts have been shown to you with links to the source of facts. Again, the claim in the opening post are false. The correct percentage is 16 percent. The official figures are 16 percent & no higher.

16% is still abnormal (even if it’s true which I very much doubt)- label away, means nothing to me. I’d be very interested to see the breakdown of % in receipt of all state benefits in the form of RA etc vs the rest of the workforce- there’s a massive issue with certain migrant groupings and welfare- a debate that needs to be had without the attempts to shut it down

road_high · 07-09-2019 5:03pm

Blueshoe wrote: »

That will never happen. The majority see no problem or more importantly those with the powers to make changes see no problem with the current situation.

Europe is changing whether we like it or not. This is only the beginning.

Well they love the moral superiority I suppose they think goes with the virtue signaling. It’s just there’s a very heavy tab to be picked up in economic (€3.6 m per month just to house “refugees”) and social costs in places like Balbriggan

Blueshoe · 07-09-2019 5:05pm

Hap cost the state (taxpayers) 142 million euro in 2017

Sleeper12 · 07-09-2019 5:15pm

road_high wrote:

16% is still abnormal (even if itâ€™s true which I very much doubt)- label away, means nothing to me. Iâ€™d be very interested to see the breakdown of % in receipt of all state benefits in the form of RA etc vs the rest of the workforce- thereâ€™s a massive issue with certain migrant groupings and welfare- a debate that needs to be had without the attempts to shut it down

There are housing estates in Dublin where the White Irish population have much higher unemployment rates than 16 percent. 16 percent isn't "abnormal". Its easy to understand factoring in racists, language, education ect. Obviously we need to try get the 16 percent down.

If 16 percent are unemployed then doesn't that mean that 84 percent are employed? You are labeling an entire race lazy & social welfare frauds based on made up facts.

Can you provide any link to prove your belief that the official 16 percent figure is a lie?

Blueshoe · 07-09-2019 5:19pm

Sleeper12 wrote: »

There are housing estates in Dublin where the White Irish population have much higher unemployment rates than 16 percent. 16 percent isn't "abnormal". Its easy to understand factoring in racists, language, education ect. Obviously we need to try get the 16 percent down.

If 16 percent are unemployed then doesn't that mean that 84 percent are employed? You are labeling an entire race lazy & social welfare frauds based on made up facts.

Can you provide any link to prove your belief that the official 16 percent figure is a lie?

But they are Irish citizens.
Why fly in people only for the tax payers to house and pay benifits to. Makes no sense.

We don't owe these people anything. Just like other countries don't owe Irish people anything.
Why are we flying them in? Who is authorising this?

It's very peculiar.

statesaver · 07-09-2019 5:28pm

So, is she basically saying " employ black people or you're racist "

Will there now be calls for 'race quotas' just like there are 'gender quotas' ?

Sleeper12 · 07-09-2019 5:41pm

Blueshoe wrote:

But they are Irish citizens. Why fly in people only for the tax payers to house and pay benifits to. Makes no sense.

Don't you think that the taxes collected from the 84 percent in employment more than covers the SW for the 16 percent? In other words Africans aren't a net drain on our system. That doesn't mean that we have to accept 16 unemployment in the long term. Education, courses etc are required. Educating the racists is required too though. There is no point training people if some employers /customers are racist and they still cannot get a job

Irish men seem to be shooting blanks. We aren't having enough kids. We need to import people from other countries to work here. There aren't enough Irish people to pay my pension when I retire. I welcome immigrants. The more the merrier if you ask me. I want to as well paid in my retirement and OAPs are today.

07-09-2019 5:43pm

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Irish men seem to be shooting blanks. We aren't having enough kids. We need to import people from other countries to work here. There aren't enough Irish people to pay my pension when I retire.

Is that actually true though? It's often quoted but the figures are rarely quoted to back it up.

Blueshoe · 07-09-2019 5:46pm

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Don't you think that the taxes collected from the 84 percent in employment more than covers the SW for the 16 percent? In other words Africans aren't a net drain on our system. That doesn't mean that we have to accept 16 unemployment in the long term. Education, courses etc are required. Educating the racists is required too though. There is no point training people if some employers /customers are racist and they still cannot get a job

Irish men seem to be shooting blanks. We aren't having enough kids. We need to import people from other countries to work here. There aren't enough Irish people to pay my pension when I retire. I welcome immigrants. The more the merrier if you ask me. I want to as well paid in my retirement and OAPs are today.

Fair enough. I appreciate your honesty but disagree with your opinion. That's life.

Ireland is almost bang on the replacement rate required but let's pretend it's not.

"The more the merrier"
About 1/5 of the total population here are foreign born. Is that more the merrier statement true. If we got to 50% foreign born would you feel any different?

43 -63% of Africans in Ireland are unemployed

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