43 -63% of Africans in Ireland are unemployed

skooterblue2

Boggles wrote: »

So basically you see black people you think a certain way.

There is a word for that.

Actually there is many words for that.

Veil slipped again lad.

The same way as when I see a member of the travelling community and think Astrophysicist.

enricoh

Boggles wrote: »

So basically you see black people you think a certain way.

There is a word for that.

Actually there is many words for that.

Veil slipped again lad.

What skills shortages are nigerians and Somalians filling then to get such visas? Indian doctor's yep, russian programners yep, nigerian?

bucketybuck

Daisies wrote: »

Many garages have "employed" him while continuing to look for another mechanic and then telling him he is surplus to requirements. He has done trial periods where they refused to pay him at the end

I don't know you and don't know him, but I do know my industry and the fact is that we are crying out for mechanics at the minute, in Dublin especially they can almost name their price these days.

The idea that "many" garages are letting a good mechanic walk away just because he is African is something I find very hard to believe. It simply doesn't match the reality of an industry I know very well.

Occams razor would say there is a simpler reason none of those places wanted to keep him.

Boggles

enricoh wrote: »

What skills shortages are nigerians and Somalians filling then to get such visas? Indian doctor's yep, russian programners yep, nigerian?

First tell me, How did he know which country in Africa these fictional people he didn't meet were from?

Daisies

bucketybuck wrote: »

I don't know you and don't know him, but I do know my industry and the fact is that we are crying out for mechanics at the minute, in Dublin especially they can almost name their price these days.

The idea that "many" garages are letting a good mechanic walk away just because he is African is something I find very hard to believe. It simply doesn't match the reality of an industry I know very well.

Occams razor would say there is a simpler reason none of those places wanted to keep him.

I take your point. Limerick is a different ball game. But I guess I'm not the one in the garage, as are none of us on this thread, so I can only go on what he has said.

yoke

Donald Trump wrote: »

Do you think that the same inheritance pattern would hold if your father was brought up in a culture that believed that getting your hands dirty was women's' work? That that might pass through to the second generation?


Virtue signalling is all well and good, but you do have to recognize the possible roots of some things - even if they are only a small component of the issue.



(Again it is not uniform across cultures and I don't expect that it would be uniforms practices within a culture.)

So you’re saying that a majority of the construction workers in Nigeria are women then?

Even if the above was true, it wouldn’t stop the king-men from forcing their slave-wives getting jobs in Irish construction, if the Irish laws allowed it.
You’d be asking why the Irish construction sites were full of African women instead of Eastern European men.

yoke

quick google search for images of “Nigerian construction workers” yields images completely of men for me.

Maybe they are just women with extremely small breasts, I dunno:

http://thenerveafrica.com/development/5221/around-africa-in-photos-gold-diggers-dying-rhinos-and-president-zumas-travails/construction-workers-in-nigeria/

humberklog

Daisies wrote: »

I take your point. Limerick is a different ball game. But I guess I'm not the one in the garage, as are none of us on this thread, so I can only go on what he has said.

And there's the problem.



His story doesn't add up.

Roger Hassenforder

Daisies wrote: »

I take your point. Limerick is a different ball game. But I guess I'm not the one in the garage, as are none of us on this thread, so I can only go on what he has said.

Thats very discriminatory remark about Limerick!

Boggles

yoke wrote: »

So you’re saying that a majority of the construction workers in Nigeria are women then?

That must be one of those Racist Bullet Points they get at the meetings.

Absolute farcical.

Daisies

humberklog wrote: »

And there's the problem.



His story doesn't add up.

In your professional opinion?

LuasSimon

At least there’s a fair amount of Africans working when you compare it to the Irish traveller population where 99% are claiming welfare

bucketybuck

Daisies wrote: »

I take your point. Limerick is a different ball game. But I guess I'm not the one in the garage, as are none of us on this thread, so I can only go on what he has said.

Again, not picking on you or anything, but our network has 2 dealerships in Limerick and it is the same for them.

And just to be clear, I could accept that a lot of people are racist and may not give him a chance, its the claim that he was given time on the floor to do work but was then let go despite being a good mechanic, that's the bit that doesn't add up. We don't let good mechanics go easily.

y0ssar1an22

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

What will happen to some of these areas which are predominantly black in west Dublin - Ongar, Tyrellstown and Adamstowm with unemployment figures like that?

someone with a bit of drive will set up a business

partyguinness

43-63% is a big margin of error.

Daisies

bucketybuck wrote: »

Again, not picking on you or anything, but our network has 2 dealerships in Limerick and it is the same for them.

And just to be clear, I could accept that a lot of people are racist and may not give him a chance, its the claim that he was given time on the floor to do work but was then let go despite being a good mechanic, that's the bit that doesn't add up. We don't let good mechanics go easily.

Two clarify, he had two trials in garages. One they were paying him barely above minimum wage and refused to give him a contract so he left. The other used him as holiday cover without saying it so when the mechanic came back from his 3 week holiday he was told he wasn't needed. The second place, the man who ran the recovery vehicle has helped him find temporary work here and there which makes me think that he wasn't completely useless.

But again going OT. My point is he wants to work, he's finding it hard getting a foot in the door and whether that is racism or people not understanding/recognising his qualification is hard to know. I'm just disputing some posters comments that Africans (all 54 countries worth of people) don't want to work because in most of the cases I know personally, they all want to work.

recedite

Daisies wrote: »

whether that is racism or people not understanding/recognising his qualification is hard to know.

What exactly is this qualification? You have been very vague about it.

First you said he didn't have C&G, then you said

Daisies wrote: »

he would have had C&G qualification as a mechanic

Nobody is attacking you personally here, people are just pointing out that this story does not add up.

James Brown

Harvey Weinstein wrote: »

Dr Ebun Joseph talked to Ray D'Arcy on Tuesday to tell him about her research on African unemployment in Ireland. Dr. Joseph explained that the unemployment rate for Africans in Ireland is between 43% and 63%

And this was because Irish people are racist

Surprise surprise

It might be a simple case of employers going with what they know. If an employer knows your area or school/college you've a better chance IMO.

Donald Trump

yoke wrote: »

So you’re saying that a majority of the construction workers in Nigeria are women then?

Even if the above was true, it wouldn’t stop the king-men from forcing their slave-wives getting jobs in Irish construction, if the Irish laws allowed it.
You’d be asking why the Irish construction sites were full of African women instead of Eastern European men.

Ah here. Go blame the UN. They produced the report. The lying manipulative bastards.



You should stop digging that particular hole as you are making it see like you can't understand basic ideas and logic. If I told you that the vast majority of nurses in Irish hospitals are female, you'd google to find a picture of a male nurse and think it disproved what I said.


Ignorance is not a defence at this stage

AllForIt

I only casually listened to the Ray Darcy piece and the Tonight show where If I'm not mistaken she said on both, that not only is Ireland racist but the there is a endemic racist problem in Europe which she justified by the fact that "free movement of people" only extended to people within Europe and 'why not' also to African countries. A jaw dropping remark which has me doubting that's what she said so I'm open to correction but I'm loath to listen back to either again.

Nevertheless I've noticed in the last couple of years, since Trump and Brexit, a huge rise in accusations of racism. IMO this is caused by opportunistic alt-leftists who see the 2 political events as an opportunity to further their ideological socialist leftist views. However I think this has backfired, because the reality is that Trump is not really a fascist and immigration was not the only factor in Brexit, so the alt-left opportunism is clearly exposed where they just look silly now like that Antifa crowd.

They have done damage though, where they embolden people like Dr Ebun Joseph to casually accuse the Irish nation as racists justified by a few stats. I didn't see that she presented anything more substantial that some employment figures. You'd think if we had ku klux klan level racism she'd have some meatier evidence.

Donald Trump

AllForIt wrote: »

I only casually listened to the Ray Darcy piece and the Tonight show where If I'm not mistaken she said on both, that not only is Ireland racist but the there is a endemic racist problem in Europe which she justified by the fact that "free movement of people" only extended to people within Europe and 'why not' also to African countries. A jaw dropping remark which has me doubting that's what she said so I'm open to correction but I'm loath to listen back to either again.

Well having no restrictions to movement for any country is a valid hypothetical theory. I don't think it stands up to scrutiny, or would work in practice, but if things became more equal in terms of living standards and education etc then it might not seem so far fetched. Maybe they never will or maybe you'll see things different in 50 years with technology and changes in the way people live due to robotics etc.

I do think though that to link current policy to racism is ridiculous


Is yer wan an actual doctor?


Edit: I googled her. I see she more or less spent 10 years in full time Education in Ireland from 2005 - 2015....................not too bad for a country of racists. She did a undergraduate degree in Nigeria 1987-1991. Not picking on her, just wondering what her qualifications were. I'd consider it taking the piss if she landed over here and got a handy free ride ad then turned around and started labelling Ireland as racist. I presume it's ok to say those facts here as she is the topic on thread. Nothing bad in what I said - I'm not knocking her qualifications

Assetbacked

Donald Trump wrote: »

Is yer wan an actual doctor?

Those that can, "do", those that can't, "teach". Seems to be very true with her. It's absurd how she is being given a soapbox and is not challenged publicly. People are being made to think there is a problem where there isn't due to her BS.

Daisies

recedite wrote: »

What exactly is this qualification? You have been very vague about it.

First you said he didn't have C&G, then you said
Nobody is attacking you personally here, people are just pointing out that this story does not add up.

If you continued to quote the remainder of my post you would see that he would have had a C&G if he completed another year in his technical college. I'm not going to continue to argue with you. I've given my experience from knowing "Africans" who want to work, who are working hard in Ireland etc

Mr. teddywinkles

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Jasus, only on boards will you get a poster calling them spoungers and then supporting the government illegally stopping them working.

If they are spoungers why are they fighting for the right to work?

To go on job seekers

Donald Trump

Assetbacked wrote: »

Those that can, "do", those that can't, "teach". Seems to be very true with her. It's absurd how she is being given a soapbox and is not challenged publicly. People are being made to think there is a problem where there isn't due to her BS.

She has a PhD from UCD. It's as legitimate as any PhD is from UCD*.



It doesn't mean she's right, or even that she talks any sense, but she does have it







(*Although that's not saying too much :P )

AlanG

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

What will happen to some of these areas which are predominantly black in west Dublin - Ongar, Tyrellstown and Adamstowm with unemployment figures like that?

Considering these areas have above average affluence for Ireland they will do just fine. The people there may even be able to read a census report and know what the word predominantly means.

https://maps.pobal.ie/WebApps/DeprivationIndices/index.html

Tyrrelstown and Ongar are both areas with above average or affluent in the 2016 small area index. They also had unemployment rates of around 10-13% in 2016 which was pretty good for the time.
https://maps.pobal.ie/WebApps/GeneralData/index.html

Yurt2

Came across this Ebun Joseph character before spouting similar nonsense. She's a grievance peddler of the worst kind. She's also a 'life coach' huckster; you can find some of her 'coaching advice' on YouTube. Garbled nonsense riddled with clichés.

Works in the School of Social Justice in UCD. Where the finishing touches are applied to the NGO / Charity sector snake-oil class.

She's dying for a six-figure salary at some sort of grievance / integration quango - she'll probably get it too if she keeps making these noises.

73bc61lyohr0mu

Yurt! wrote: »

Works in the School of Social Justice in UCD.

Please please tell me that's not a real thing..

Yurt2

Julio Squeaking Schoolyard wrote: »

Please please tell me that's not a real thing..

Well, the UCD School of Social Policy, Social Work and Social Justice to give it it's full title.

Where you can take such practical Masters programs such as Gender Studies and Black Studies (headed up by none other than Ebun herself).

jmayo

BDI wrote: »

I would like to give everyone a chance. All cultures have people that can integrate into society and thrive.
I think however what really worries me is if African people are so great and industrious why is there not one part of it that would be comfortable to live in for the average person.
Even with all the aid that gets divided up and disappeared.
Why is there war zones in any country that gives them a chance to come in and be part of a better functioning country?
I know somebody will come on here and say they were colonized and that is the cause of the poverty there but America and Ireland and countless other countries and cultures were colonized and managed to turn things around.

I don’t think it makes me racist to say I’d love everybody in the world to get a fair shake of the dice, I’d love everybody to get the same opportunity but if you want to move to a functioning society from a broken one, you should have to prove you are there to take part not take out.

Few years ago found article comparing the history of growth and development of Ghana and South Korea since 1950s when both became states in their own right.
Guess which was was richer in 1950s and which one is richer today?
It is kinda a litmus test for how Africa developed in comparison to Asia.

baldbear wrote: »

Anyone got the figures on black travellers employment?

Would finding black travellers not be akin to finding gays right advocates in Afghanistan?

Assetbacked wrote: »

Those that can, "do", those that can't, "teach". Seems to be very true with her. It's absurd how she is being given a soapbox and is not challenged publicly. People are being made to think there is a problem where there isn't due to her BS.

But god help anyone utter one statement that questions all the shyte.

Prime example was Casey during presidential.
If one had not actually read or listened to his actual statements one would think from the Twatter, facefook, the usual suspects round here and our media, especially or so called national braodcaster, that he had mooted an idea similar to that dreamt up at Wannsee. :rolleyes:

These days some are way more welcome sadly by our unversities, establishment and our media.
Thus they are immune from criticism for spouting any type of old shyte.

Yurt! wrote: »

Well, the UCD School of Social Policy, Social Work and Social Justice to give it it's full title.

Where you can take such practical Masters programs such as Gender Studies and Black Studies (headed up by none other than Ebun herself).

in other words what some of us would term a complete waste of space.