43 -63% of Africans in Ireland are unemployed

Harvey Weinstein

Dr Ebun Joseph talked to Ray D'Arcy on Tuesday to tell him about her research on African unemployment in Ireland. Dr. Joseph explained that the unemployment rate for Africans in Ireland is between 43% and 63%

And this was because Irish people are racist

Surprise surprise

washman3

What % of them have actually applied for a job?

Samuel T. Cogley

In fairness we're not above a bit of, let's call it stereotyping.

JamBur

The company I work in hires contract staff in quite regularly. There is often African lads come in. They require a lot of extra attention and training.

Most have never been in a factory environment before. Unfortunately some of them react negatively to this extra attention. They perceive it as being due to their colour. I cannot emphasize enough that it is ability. not race that necessitates the extra attention. Before I would have helped out with training them up, but now Ill stay away from it.

Chalk McHugh

Crazy figures. Still a bit to go to reach the disgustingly grotesque native Irish traveller figures for unemployment. Wasters.

Chalk McHugh

JamBur wrote: »

The company I work in hires contract staff in quite regularly. There is often African lads come in. They require a lot of extra attention and training.

Most have never been in a factory environment before. Unfortunately some of them react negatively to this extra attention. They perceive it as being due to their colour. I cannot emphasize enough that it is ability. not race that necessitates the extra attention. Before I would have helped out with training them up, but now Ill stay away from it.

What is wrong with these people. Seem to be spoiling for an argument and are hyper sensitive. I don't blame you.

JamBur

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

What is wrong with these people. Seem to be spoiling for an argument andare hyper sensitive. I don't blame you.

Poor education, different work culture, no relevant experience, cultural and language barriers............. It cant be easy

SEPT 23 1989

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

Crazy figures. Still a bit to go to reach the disgustingly grotesque native Irish traveller figures for unemployment. Wasters.

99.9% would take some doing

Salary Negotiator

What % of those eligible and able to work are unemployed?

Be interesting to know how many children are included in those figures.

Harry Palmr

43 - 63% is a ludicrously wide estimation.

Presumably this refers to people who are eligible to work.

As for the racist Irish angle well just read this forum for proof. Where is Dr Brown these days?

Chalk McHugh

JamBur wrote: »

Poor education, different work culture, no relevant experience, cultural and language barriers............. It cant be easy

Yea cant be easy to employ them.

Chalk McHugh

What will happen to some of these areas which are predominantly black in west Dublin - Ongar, Tyrellstown and Adamstowm with unemployment figures like that?

Hootanany

Harvey Weinstein wrote: »

Dr Ebun Joseph talked to Ray D'Arcy on Tuesday to tell him about her research on African unemployment in Ireland. Dr. Joseph explained that the unemployment rate for Africans in Ireland is between 43% and 63%

And this was because Irish people are racist

Surprise surprise

Linky no worky

vriesmays

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

What will happen to some of these areas which are predominantly black in west Dublin - Ongar, Tyrellstown and Adamstowm with unemployment figures like that?

They will turn into no-go areas with high crime and low property prices.

c montgomery

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

What will happen to some of these areas which are predominantly black in west Dublin - Ongar, Tyrellstown and Adamstowm with unemployment figures like that?

Economic black spots

sabat

What percentage on top of this are in government funded workfare schemes like NGOs or in interminable adult education courses with little practical benefit? How many Africans are genuine net contributors to the exchequer once all the freebies are taken out of the equation? A controversial guesstimate- no more than a couple of hundred.

Overheal

Which means employers could tap into a lot of labor fast, potentially.

Sonny noggs

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

What will happen to some of these areas which are predominantly black in west Dublin - Ongar, Tyrellstown and Adamstowm with unemployment figures like that?

Ghettos

Harry Palmr

c montgomery wrote: »

Economic black spots

vriesmays wrote: »

They will turn into no-go areas with high crime and low property prices.

I think you mean gentrification hot spots in 2030

rocksolidfat

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

What will happen to some of these areas which are predominantly black in west Dublin - Ongar, Tyrellstown and Adamstowm with unemployment figures like that?

Any chance of providing some sources that there are more black people than white people in those three areas?

TuringBot47

Hootanany wrote: »

Linky no worky

Must be an African link

Daisies

JamBur wrote: »

Poor education, different work culture, no relevant experience, cultural and language barriers............. It cant be easy

My partner is a qualified mechanic, from a country where English is a national language and he has had a nightmare trying to find work that will give him a contract. Many garages have "employed" him while continuing to look for another mechanic and then telling him he is surplus to requirements. He has done trial periods where they refused to pay him at the end, he has worked as the only mechanic in a garage who refused to pay him minimum wage or give him any form of contract.

riemann

vriesmays wrote: »

They will turn into no-go areas with high crime and low property prices.

Some already have.

Mongfinder General

These people are the product of a poor environment. There's nothing wrong with them and I can prove it. I bet that with the right encouragement and surroundings, an African migrant could run this country as well as your young Varadkar.

vriesmays

Daisies wrote: »

My partner is a qualified mechanic, from a country where English is a national language and he has had a nightmare trying to find work that will give him a contract. Many garages have "employed" him while continuing to look for another mechanic and then telling him he is surplus to requirements. He has done trial periods where they refused to pay him at the end, he has worked as the only mechanic in a garage who refused to pay him minimum wage or give him any form of contract.

Hypercasualization.

Chalk McHugh

vriesmays wrote: »

Hypercasualization.

Probably doesn't know a wishbone from a funny bone.

Gregor Samsa

It might be a bit much to expect some people here to read actual academic research before they launch into airing their established biases, but for what it’s worth:

http://www.ucd.ie/geary/static/publications/workingpapers/gearywp201816.pdf

vriesmays

Here's another important study:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/nov/05/highereducation.research

humberklog

Daisies wrote: »

My partner is a qualified mechanic, from a country where English is a national language and he has had a nightmare trying to find work that will give him a contract. Many garages have "employed" him while continuing to look for another mechanic and then telling him he is surplus to requirements. He has done trial periods where they refused to pay him at the end, he has worked as the only mechanic in a garage who refused to pay him minimum wage or give him any form of contract.

Could it be that he's not very good at being a mechanic?

facehugger99

43 - 63% of this thread is racist.

Chalk McHugh

I would say there is a tiny percentage of rascists on here but a very low tolerance of people of any colour who wont wont work or refuse to work with no legitimate reasson bar they just dont want to.

cgcsb

I do wonder have the people in charge of migration policies here visited the countries in question or even Wikipedia searched them, afterall people make the place, you can't turn Balbriggan into a little Africa and expect it to be like a normal part of Ireland.

In lots of sub Saharan cultures it's seen as unmasculine to work. Work, even the extremely physical type, is a womanly pursuit. You won't see many many men picking crops in the fields, carrying water on their heads or working in what few factories there are. And that's the case in most of the continent south of Morocco, Egypt etc

Still waters

Im not racist, i just hate all sponging bastards equally, whatever colour, ethnicity(cough) they may be

Still waters

Mongfinder General wrote: »

These people are the product of a poor environment. There's nothing wrong with them and I can prove it. I bet that with the right encouragement and surroundings, an African migrant could run this country as well as your young Varadkar.

So you're saying an african could make a right cnut of the place as well

Outkast_IRE

My neighbours are Nigerian, they are in Ireland for about 5 years.



The wife works at a low skilled manual job, goes off out to work each day to work hard and earn a crust.



The husband says he is a qualified Civil Engineer - currently unemployed. As i am also an engineer he was asking me about the how do i find the jobs market here. I told him i find it very busy at the moment. He went on to say how he has applied for some jobs but heard nothing back, i asked him did he go and get his membership of Engineers Ireland as this would help give employers some surity of his qualifications and skills. He said he would look into it, i asked him would he consider taking up lower skilled work until he got his engineers ireland membership sorted and he was insulted that i suggest such a thing. I told him its easier to get a better job, when your in a job as employers will look on you more favorably. He wouldnt hear any of it . 5 years in the country and content to laze about at home all day, doesnt leave the house only to pick up the kids from school.


Its too easy for him, you can tell he is quite content to live off the state handouts for the rest of his days. Much like some of the Irish themselves. The system itself is broken.



How is it best to fix this ?



In my opinion for everybody in the state, supports for unemployment should mostly be a short term thing and should decrease with time if you are not upskilling and not taking up employment. When you initially need this benefit it should be say 80% of your previous wage (Capped at a sensible limit) and should decline each month.

InTheShadows

Mongfinder General wrote: »

These people are the product of a poor environment. There's nothing wrong with them and I can prove it. I bet that with the right encouragement and surroundings, an African migrant could run this country as well as your young Varadkar.

Hi Leo. Welcome to Boards

Chalk McHugh

Outkast_IRE wrote: »

My neighbours are Nigerian, they are in Ireland for about 5 years.



The wife works at a low skilled manual job, goes off out to work each day to work hard and earn a crust.



The husband says he is a qualified Civil Engineer - currently unemployed. As i am also an engineer he was asking me about the how do i find the jobs market here. I told him i find it very busy at the moment. He went on to say how he has applied for some jobs but heard nothing back, i asked him did he go and get his membership of Engineers Ireland as this would help give employers some surity of his qualifications and skills. He said he would look into it, i asked him would he consider taking up lower skilled work until he got his engineers ireland membership sorted and he was insulted that i suggest such a thing. I told him its easier to get a better job, when your in a job as employers will look on you more favorably. He wouldnt hear any of it . 5 years in the country and content to laze about at home all day, doesnt leave the house only to pick up the kids from school.


Its too easy for him, you can tell he is quite content to live off the state handouts for the rest of his days. Much like some of the Irish themselves. The system itself is broken.



How is it best to fix this ?



In my opinion for everybody in the state, supports for unemployment should mostly be a short term thing and should decrease with time if you are not upskilling and not taking up employment. When you initially need this benefit it should be say 80% of your previous wage (Capped at a sensible limit) and should decline each month.

Good example. That is the type of crap that makes the rest of us sick to the stomach. Lazy git. Just like the thousands of our own wasters.

LiamoSail

sabat wrote: »

What percentage on top of this are in government funded workfare schemes like NGOs or in interminable adult education courses with little practical benefit? How many Africans are genuine net contributors to the exchequer once all the freebies are taken out of the equation? A controversial guesstimate- no more than a couple of hundred.

Nonsense. A decent portion of taxi drivers in Dublin are African, plenty of bus drivers too. There are plenty African net contributors.

TuringBot47

Outkast_IRE wrote: »

How is it best to fix this ?

Don't give them permanent residency.
They need to reapply every X years.

If they haven't done a tap of work since then, back they go.

TuringBot47

LiamoSail wrote: »

Nonsense. A decent portion of taxi drivers in Dublin are African, plenty of bus drivers too. There are plenty African net contributors.

It's rare to use the word "decent" and "taxi driver" in the same sentence.

Dr Turk Turkelton

Mongfinder General wrote: »

These people are the product of a poor environment. There's nothing wrong with them and I can prove it. I bet that with the right encouragement and surroundings, an African migrant could run this country as well as your young Varadkar.

The usual bet Mortimer?

antix80

I've worked with first gen Nigerian immigrants, mainly older like 30+. Great for large organisation's diversity statistics. Not so good for the people working with them. Depends on the job I suppose but their work ethic is terrible, lack of education and experience is abundantly apparent and attitude can be awful too.

LiamoSail

Outkast_IRE wrote: »

My neighbours are Nigerian, they are in Ireland for about 5 years.



The wife works at a low skilled manual job, goes off out to work each day to work hard and earn a crust.



The husband says he is a qualified Civil Engineer - currently unemployed. As i am also an engineer he was asking me about the how do i find the jobs market here. I told him i find it very busy at the moment. He went on to say how he has applied for some jobs but heard nothing back, i asked him did he go and get his membership of Engineers Ireland as this would help give employers some surity of his qualifications and skills. He said he would look into it, i asked him would he consider taking up lower skilled work until he got his engineers ireland membership sorted and he was insulted that i suggest such a thing. I told him its easier to get a better job, when your in a job as employers will look on you more favorably. He wouldnt hear any of it . 5 years in the country and content to laze about at home all day, doesnt leave the house only to pick up the kids from school.


Its too easy for him, you can tell he is quite content to live off the state handouts for the rest of his days. Much like some of the Irish themselves. The system itself is broken.



How is it best to fix this ?



In my opinion for everybody in the state, supports for unemployment should mostly be a short term thing and should decrease with time if you are not upskilling and not taking up employment. When you initially need this benefit it should be say 80% of your previous wage (Capped at a sensible limit) and should decline each month.

Him being African is irrelevant really. The issue is people like this, whatever ethnicity, being allowed to remain on benefits beyond a reasonable period. Half the dole/jobseekers benefit for those claiming for more than 2 years, who haven’t contributed, and you’d sort out a lot of them

4068ac1elhodqr

cgcsb wrote: »

In lots of sub Saharan cultures it's seen as unmasculine to work. Work, even the extremely physical type, is a womanly pursuit. You won't see many many men picking crops in the fields, carrying water on their heads or working in what few factories there are. And that's the case in most of the continent south of Morocco, Egypt etc

ONS data from the uk show Bangladeshi women earn more than their counterparts, at the very bottom of the p/hr rate scale. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48919813

Only Indian & Chinese (semi-superpowers) outperform the natives (white british) for p/hr rates, but have much larger pay gender gaps.

Afro-caribbean are second lowest on average with no male earning advantage. Much of the lower paid unskilled work will decimated in the coming years, thanks to automaiton. So worth considering 'quality/skill' of any work also.

Sonny noggs

Hang on, does this mean Mary O’Rourke was wrong back in 2006?

road_high

And why the fcuk are we importing these people in here? I mean, they aren’t part of the EU so it’s not free movement and Ireland never had any colonies- I can only conclude they are coming in here via the CTA fro the uk?

4068ac1elhodqr

LiamoSail wrote: »

Nonsense. A decent portion of taxi drivers in Dublin are African, plenty of bus drivers too.

A portion (130) of (taxi) drivers are/were also discovered to be using marriages of convenience.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/taxi-drivers-sham-marriage-ireland-14098289

130 taxi drivers or licence applicants were suspected of being in Ireland illegally by gardai as part of Operation Vantage, which was set up to target sham marriages.

With the grooms coming mainly from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan.

LiamoSail

Johanna Defeated Scorecard wrote: »

A portion (130) of (taxi) drivers are/were also discovered to be using marriages of convenience.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/taxi-drivers-sham-marriage-ireland-14098289 With the grooms coming mainly from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan.

Damn those Africans; coming over here and not marrying our women and not taking our jobs :pac:

vriesmays

road_high wrote: »

And why the fcuk are we importing these people in here? I mean, they aren’t part of the EU so it’s not free movement and Ireland never had any colonies- I can only conclude they are coming in here via the CTA fro the uk?

To replace these:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/two-thirds-of-royal-college-of-surgeons-graduates-to-leave-ireland-1.3111310

road_high

Outkast_IRE wrote: »

My neighbours are Nigerian, they are in Ireland for about 5 years.



The wife works at a low skilled manual job, goes off out to work each day to work hard and earn a crust.



The husband says he is a qualified Civil Engineer - currently unemployed. As i am also an engineer he was asking me about the how do i find the jobs market here. I told him i find it very busy at the moment. He went on to say how he has applied for some jobs but heard nothing back, i asked him did he go and get his membership of Engineers Ireland as this would help give employers some surity of his qualifications and skills. He said he would look into it, i asked him would he consider taking up lower skilled work until he got his engineers ireland membership sorted and he was insulted that i suggest such a thing. I told him its easier to get a better job, when your in a job as employers will look on you more favorably. He wouldnt hear any of it . 5 years in the country and content to laze about at home all day, doesnt leave the house only to pick up the kids from school.


Its too easy for him, you can tell he is quite content to live off the state handouts for the rest of his days. Much like some of the Irish themselves. The system itself is broken.



How is it best to fix this ?



In my opinion for everybody in the state, supports for unemployment should mostly be a short term thing and should decrease with time if you are not upskilling and not taking up employment. When you initially need this benefit it should be say 80% of your previous wage (Capped at a sensible limit) and should decline each month.

No that sponger will never work- probably not even a real engineer and highly unlikely to be at the level required in Ireland/Europe.
How these spongers get in here is a mystery to me but appears we are a magnet:total soft touch for them. Huge difference with most Asian migrants who are great workers, often very career and education focused

biko

Harvey Weinstein wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8qfy8ahveY

Fixed your vid, you had extra characters in the youtube link so it wouldn't play