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CoVid-19 Part VII - 169 cases ROI (2 deaths) 45 in NI (as of 15 March) *Read OP*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,444 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Strazdas wrote: »
    Me too : I was actually thinking of a trip to Rome at the start of the year (I've never been to Italy).

    Good idea but no hurry The Eternal City won't be going anywhere.


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,120 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Can NI have a different strategy to the UK?

    Apparently yes.....they have the authority to close NI schools if they wish


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,629 ✭✭✭Adiboo


    Chemist by me is doing a one in one out system. Pharmacist coming out giving people tickets, big queue of people outside.


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    From Guardian feed @ 14.45
    Argentina is planning a 10-day lockdown with a nationwide quarantine, President Alberto Fernández has said in a radio interview.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭Gynoid


    Strazdas wrote: »
    Me too : I was actually thinking of a trip to Rome at the start of the year (I've never been to Italy).

    Me neither! Have long wanted to...Meet you there when thing are better for a nice gelato. :)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,297 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    alastair wrote: »
    There isn’t any practical closing of the border possible. Let’s be serious. And what benefit would it be?

    Why are the Germans closing their borders so? Let's be serious? This is serious.

    In Northern Ireland they are not imposing the same restrictions that we are down here, so shut the border and restrict movement of people from that jurisdiction to this one as much as possible.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭SharpshooterTom


    is_that_so wrote: »
    NI +11 up to 45.

    In comparison to Scotland, Wales and the ROI we're not doing too bad as of yet.


  • Registered Users Posts: 313 ✭✭Shoelaces


    On my way into work this eve for a hotel thats part of a large group in Dublin city. We ve been told that they may be forced into temporary layoffs and we will be issued RP9 forms to recieve benefits if that happens.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,139 ✭✭✭paddy19


    Since ventilators will be the key medical equipment to help Covid patients survive it is critical that we get as many as possible.

    Germany, France and Russia have stopped exports of ventilators (legal under EU law). Germany has placed orders for 10,000 ventilators.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-draegerwerk-ventil/germany-italy-rush-to-buy-life-saving-ventilators-as-manufacturers-warn-of-shortages-idUSKBN210362

    In the UK the health minister said

    "the demand for them is incredibly high so it is not possible to produce too many"

    I understand of course that we will have to oxygen, staff and facilities but without ventilators you can't do anything.

    Literally having ventilators will decide on how many critically ill patients will survive.

    There is a worldwide shortage of ventilators.

    Boris Johnson is holding a conference call with ventilators manufacturers today to maximise supply to the UK.
    ""We've been talking to a whole host of companies about it and the Prime Minister is hosting a conference call today with them to say very clearly to the nation's manufacturers ventilators are the thing that we are going to need and frankly right across the world, the demand for them is incredibly high so it is not possible to produce too many."

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0315/1123349-coronavirus-uk/

    Medtronic in Galway are a key supplier.

    Should we exporting ventilators?


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,297 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    Strazdas wrote: »
    Apparently yes.....they have the authority to close NI schools if they wish

    And they should. If they don't shut the border as much as possible.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    I'm ready to self isolate, I just want to catch the damn thing now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ArchXStanton


    Strazdas wrote: »
    Me too : I was actually thinking of a trip to Rome at the start of the year (I've never been to Italy).

    Do, it's one of my favourite cities, love that place


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Strazdas wrote: »
    Me too : I was actually thinking of a trip to Rome at the start of the year (I've never been to Italy).
    It's a great trip, need a full week just to skim the surface.


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,148 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    The FB crowd really do my nut in.
    A work colleague just told me the Irish Army are being gathered today and will be closing the border on Tuesday.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,426 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    MarkY91 wrote: »
    I can't imagine Italy's tourism industry recovering anywhere close to the time it will recover in Ireland.

    Best initiative would be to promote home tourism first,try make people feel better see what there is in there own country.
    Best way for a country to kick stat it's tourism


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,467 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Wrong.

    They did at the time, just like they did during the 2014 World Cup.

    BBC put a poll back in 2014 - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/28268842 2014 won it by a mile unsuprisingly.

    https://sputniknews.com/sport/201807051066074719-best-world-cup-poll/

    76% then said 2018 was the best WC ever during that. I post on RedCafe and I was in a minority arguing against it at the time.

    People need to understand the powerful effect recency bias has on the mind in moments like this.

    We're still in the early stages of this virus so we don't know its overall potential. Its clearly unprecedented in terms of its effects on schools, travel, sports etc.

    But we might be over the worst of it in 10-14 weeks. I stress might.

    I strongly suspect both polls were influenced by a certain St Petersburg "research" group as most things are these days related to Russia.

    What next? A poll to tell us the Sochi Olympics were the cleanest ever?


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    I'm ready to self isolate, I just want to catch the damn thing now.
    That means no social media too!


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 51,148 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    TheCitizen wrote: »
    Why are the Germans closing their borders so? Let's be serious? This is serious.

    In Northern Ireland they are not imposing the same restrictions that we are down here, so shut the border and restrict movement of people from that jurisdiction to this one as much as possible.

    Again... how? There are over 200 points of entry.

    We do not have the manpower to close the border.

    Not to mention the other impacts it may have.


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,120 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Gynoid wrote: »
    Me neither! Have long wanted to...Meet you there when thing are better for a nice gelato. :)

    Deal :) I've heard nothing but good things about the place.....lovely city and lovely people


  • Registered Users Posts: 82 ✭✭Axfrderr


    It's weird as the West LOVE to say things like ' God Help Us'' '' May God bless America'' so on. But when someone comes out and claims this, they give the impression that the person saying it is crazy, ie that's just silly, no such thing as God

    They want it both ways. But if they believe in God so much, then they must know how spiteful God is in the bible, how he sent plagues of Locusts, Floods, Disease so on as punishment. Trump can't have it both ways '' God Bless America'' ............. eh no such thing as God and his punishments.''
    Every time you say "goodbye" you are invoking a god too.
    It comes from "God be with you".
    Thoughts and prayers all :pac:


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  • Registered Users Posts: 309 ✭✭Pseudonym121


    After my last kind of essay post seemed to be useful to a lot of people I’ve decided to write some more essay type posts in an effort to provide some useful information to people on various topics that questions have been asked about. I’ve asked Boards if I could gather them in a thread so they wouldn’t be lost in the morass here and people could find them more easily. I hope to hear back by Monday.

    I’m providing this information to try to:
    a) Give people some advice on how to protect themselves and others.
    b) Answer some questions that keep coming up.

    I’m not suggesting I’m a super expert on any of these things but:
    a) I’m a doctor and Consultant in the Irish health service and so I probably know a bit more than Mary and Joe down the street.
    b) I’ll try to differentiate between Fact [F], Extrapolation [E] and Informed Guesswork [G] or [O] Opinion to help people figure out for themselves what weight to give various elements of each post. I’ll put these letters in parentheses in front of each paragraph to help you determine when I’m listing facts, when extrapolation from known facts and when just offering an opinion.
    This doesn’t substitute for personalised advice from your GP or specialist --- but good luck getting a hold of them in weeks to come.

    Anyways, I thought a good first topic to address would be the issues of social isolation/distancing, protective wear, namely, gloves and face masks, and, lastly, handwashing.


    Social Isolation:

    [F] Lets be very clear the best way to avoid catching SARS-CoV2 and avoid passing it on to other is Social Isolation. Social Isolation is far superior to any other strategy but it isn’t always feasible, especially if you’ve got a job which involves public interaction. With that said the safest thing you can do is socially isolate yourself as much as possible.

    [O] What does this mean? If you’re retired or otherwise not working at this time then stay at home. Don’t go out unless it is a matter of life and death – you must get food or you will starve or you must get medicines. Even in these cases I would ask why you have to go out? Have it delivered by the shop or pharmacy or have a relative who has to be out and about for work pick it up for you and drop it at your door without coming inside.

    [F] I delivered supplies to my parents over the weekend and left them outside their door in a box and was back in my care before they opened the door to take them inside.

    [O] If you want exercise exercise indoors or in your back garden if at all possible. The risks of catching SARS-CoV2 are low if you exercise on your own but my view would be even that isn’t worth the risk. Your view may well vary of course.

    [F] With that said going to the pub, gym or parties in peoples’ houses are NOT examples of matters of life and death. Don’t be a moron, spread this and increase the burden on the healthcare system at this time. Your actions right now can decrease or increase the final death toll. Don’t be the sorts of morons who increase it.


    Social Distancing:

    [F] If you absolutely must go out to the shop then don’t touch others, don’t stand within 1 metre ( preferably two metres ) of them and don’t dally. Don’t lean against counters, don’t use cash, go contactless or if you absolutely must pay in cash let them keep the change or put it in the charity box. Don’t touch staff’s hands to get a few pence back and then put potentially infected money in your pocket contaminating your hands, clothes etc. Get in, do what needs doing and get out. SARS-CoV2 is very infections even with limited contact.

    [F] If you are working in a job where you cannot work from home then socially isolate as much as possible from other employees and members of the public. All of the above advice applies.

    [F] If you decide to go out for something non-essential then simply don’t. By doing that you risk catching and spreading SARS-CoV2. If you catch it and pass it to two people and they pass it to two others and the doubling rate is 4 days then after 28 days you will be responsible for 128 people having it. Of those 128 people 2 to 3 will die. Was that worth the price? I would argue that almost nothing except a matter of your own life and death or essential work warrants putting others at that risk.


    Face Masks:

    [F] A lot of conflicting things have been said about face masks. The bottom line is that most of the face masks people are purchasing aren’t of any use and even if they were members of the public don’t know how to use them appropriately in order to gain effective protection.

    [E] For this reason I would say that buying face masks is ineffective UNLESS you have been advised on which ones to purchase and how to put them on, fit them and take them off. There is going to be a huge shortage of face masks for medical staff in Ireland soon. In Italy many hospitals have run out of face masks and the doctors and nurses have been treating patients without wearing facemasks themselves. This pretty much guarantees they will get infected and is why we’ve seen a rise in the number of doctors and nurses dying in Italy in recent days.

    [F] The only face masks which are worth getting are surgical masks or ones rated as either N95/FFP2 or N99/FFP3. Simply put these two ratings mean they stop 95 or 99% of particles above a certain size IF put on properly but almost certainly the vast majority of you with these masks aren’t getting any protection from them.

    [F] See the picture below which shows two Americans with surgical masks ( which their hospital staff will soon need – America has admitted it only has about 15 of the face masks needed if/when their number of COVID-19 cases explodes ) neither of whom have fitted it properly and thus neither of whom are protected. All they’ve achieved is preventing two doctors and nurses being protected.

    So, now that I’ve told you that in all the panic you’ve probably bought masks which won’t screen out viruses AND even if they did you don’t know how to wear them properly so as to protect yourself AND even if you get that bit right the way you put them on and off will spread infection do I offer any solutions? Sure, if you’ve already bought them you’re hardly going to return them to hospitals so the people who really need them ( front line healthcare workers ) can benefit from them so you might as well learn how to get some benefit from them.

    Here are three good videos I have found and can recommend to show how to put on, fit and remove both surgical masks and more general oval N95 face masks.

    How to properly put on, fit and remove Surgical Masks:
    Using Surgical Masks 1

    Using Surgical Masks 2

    N95 Oval Type Mask:
    Using N95 Oval Type Masks

    [O] Once removed the face masks should be placed in a bin which is in a relatively well-ventilated area and which you don’t use often. I use a bin on a balcony which has no risk of being spread to others and also doesn’t act as a source of infection in the living area.



    Gloves:

    [F] Buying pairs of disposable gloves is a reasonable precaution. I, personally, have purchased several hundred pairs of vinyl, transparent powder-free gloves as they don’t irritate my skin as much as powdered or latex gloves. Why transparent? Well, they don’t attract as much attention when out in public. I’d also consider whitish ones. If you can’t source them then any colour will do. This isn’t after all, about fashion.

    [F] Again, gloves are almost useless if you don’t know how to use them properly. There is a set procedure for how to put them on and remove them and, yes, you guessed it there’s a video for that.

    How to put on and take off surgical gloves without contaminating oneself:
    Surgical Glove Use

    [O] Once removed the disposable gloves should be placed in a bin which is in a relatively well-ventilated area and which you don’t use often. I use a bin on a balcony which has no risk of being spread to others and also doesn’t act as a source of infection in the living area.

    [F] Do NOT re-use them. If you do that you might as well just go around shaking hands with everyone you meet and then smearing your hands all over your face repeatedly every few minutes.

    [F] The gloves won’t help much if you keep touching your face. The outside of the glove will transmit COVID-19 droplets to your face readily. So is there anything you can do to prevent yourself subconsciously touching your face out of habit? Yes, read the next paragraph.

    [O] Doctors and nurses need to get used to not contaminating sterile gloves by touching our faces or other non-sterile things. I’ve always found it useful to purposely interlace my fingers so that to touch my face I’d have to consciously uninterlace them. Since this isn’t always practical and with COVID-19 we are less worried about maintaining a perfectly sterile environment I’ve taken to carrying a tissue in one hand and a biro in the other. I find that carrying something in each hand prevents the vast majority of habitual face touching because I don’t want to poke my eye out with the biro and/or I have to move the tissue in order to free that hand up. By the time I’ve thought of doing that I realise what I’m about to do and can prevent myself from touching my own face. You might find different things that work for you, this is just something that works for me.



    Handwashing:

    [F] Handwashing is a good idea but, obviously, social isolation is the best followed by social distancing and protective gear ( masks and gloves ). After all of those though it is still well worth washing one’s hands…. Yeah you’ve guess it…. So long as you do it properly. The sort of handwashing most people do verges on useless. On the positive side there are, as ever, videos to show you how. Here is one I found useful and have recommended to non-clinical staff/friends and family.

    How to wash your hands the medical way.



    Elevators:

    One last important point I’d like to make is about the use of lifts in apartment buildings and anywhere else… I’m going to set out some assumptions first to help people understand the reasoning behind the point I’m going to make…
    a) Most lifts are used at least once an hour
    b) Most lifts are poorly or not at all ventilated.
    c) Most lifts are small
    d) The HSE recommendation is that you allow at least one hour for droplets to settle before you enter a room in which someone with COVID-19 was.

    So, yeah, if someone with COVID-19 has been in that lift in the last 1 hour+ then you can expect there to be droplets in the air there. Elevators are actually quite a high risk location and should be avoided unless you are wearing a suitably fitted mask.


    Lastly:
    Should you go out on Paddy’s Day?

    The thought that people would be selfish enough to do that actually makes me angry and I’m normally very placid. The more go out and mix in public places the more they’ll spread SARS-CoV2 and the higher our peak will be, the more our health service will be overwhelmed and the more people will needlessly die due to this overwhelming. You having a good time isn’t worth people dying. Stay at home and relax.

    In the picture these ladies haven't fitted the masks properly around their nasal bridges, cheeks and chins. Therefore those masks are not protecting them at all... but now healthcare professionals who really need them won't have them.
    GettyImages_1202999295.0.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭Lundstram


    paddy19 wrote: »
    Medtronic in Galway are a key supplier.

    Should we exporting ventilators?
    Lets make sure we have enough for our own country first.


  • Registered Users Posts: 124 ✭✭lobbylad


    I don't get the "shut the borders" that seems to now becoming common.

    For example, Germany closing the borders to France, the virus is on both sides anyway, and restrictions are in place about people gathering in France.

    The virus doesn't know anything about borders, and the resources that have to be deployed to close the borders could surely be better used elsewhere?

    And why pick the "lines of closure" along international lines, why for example aren't they closing off cities within Germany from rural areas or isolating various provinces, or isolate towns/regions with no known infections from the outside.

    The "shut the border" reaction just seems nationalistic and arbitrary at this point, especially when the virus is already on both sides of the border.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Can NI have a different strategy to the UK?

    DUP doing it the British way, all those elderly Orangemen martyrs to the crown


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,111 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    Shoelaces wrote: »
    On my way into work this eve for a hotel thats part of a large group in Dublin city. We ve been told that they may be forced into temporary layoffs and we will be issued RP9 forms to recieve benefits if that happens.

    Sorry to hear that. We are living in exceptional times, no one has a certain future at the moment. Many more of us will be facing the same possible outcome. Good luck to us all.


  • Registered Users Posts: 308 ✭✭Tootsie_1


    I have a home ventilator that I have never used. I was given it around the time I was diagnosed with cancer to help my breathing but the treatment worked fast so I never needed it. I wonder should I donate it? Would hospital even accept it or do they need to source equipment carefully?

    Correct me if I am wrong but a ventilator is where someone has tubes down into the lungs and it breaths for them , are you sure what you have is the same thing ? Not just a nebuliser with a mask ?

    "A medical ventilator is a machine designed to provide mechanical ventilation by moving breathable air into and out of the lungs, to deliver breaths to a patient who is physically unable to breathe, or breathing insufficiently"


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    TheCitizen wrote: »
    Why are the Germans closing their borders so? Let's be serious? This is serious.

    In Northern Ireland they are not imposing the same restrictions that we are down here, so shut the border and restrict movement of people from that jurisdiction to this one as much as possible.

    You can’t ‘shut the border’. If you intend being serious, then acknowledge that that proposition isn’t serious. It’s entirely impractical. Border closures are merely a broad brushstroke attempt to limit travel - not to provide any barrier to infection.


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Spain deaths up by 288 in one day and almost 8000 infections.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,307 ✭✭✭dan786


    Woohoo..

    Temple Bar publicans have announced a complete shutdown of all bars and nightclubs with immediate effect.

    It will mean no bars open in the area for St Patrick's Day and the closure could last for weeks.

    The shutdown will not apply to hotels as they have guests while individual restaurants may be able to distance their customers from one another.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,138 ✭✭✭RoryMac


    NIMAN wrote: »
    The FB crowd really do my nut in.
    A work colleague just told me the Irish Army are being gathered today and will be closing the border on Tuesday.

    They're gonna be spread fairly thin on the ground with that and having checkpoints country wide to stop people leaving their homes


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