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CoVid-19 Part VII - 169 cases ROI (2 deaths) 45 in NI (as of 15 March) *Read OP*

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    #6632
    laugh
    Registered Users Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭laugh


    ITman88 wrote: »
    This may not be the correct thread but do we do need to take perspective on this number?

    On average 1100 people die every day in Spain, Will this number have increased this year?

    Or will the cause of death be marked as Coronavirus for deaths that otherwise would of been attributed to pneumonia etc?

    The question I’m asking is, has Coronavirus increased the death rate, or has the death rate remained the same and deaths that were attributed to something else are now attributed to Coronavirus?

    People smarter than you are essentially shutting down their countries and economies due to this? They probably just forgot to consider that ....


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    #6633
    BluePlanet
    Registered Users Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭BluePlanet


    Spook_ie wrote: »
    If there's no natural immunity gained from having the virus then eventually were all ****ed anyway.
    No that's why we have science.
    We can vaccinate.


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    #6634
    wakka12
    Registered Users Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3075294/coronavirus-hong-kong-issues-red-travel-alert
    Mandatory quarantine in Hong Kong for anybody flying from Uk, USA, or Ireland.

    Morocco has suspended all international flights in and out of the country


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    #6635
    KiKi III
    Registered Users Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭KiKi III


    Beasty wrote: »
    It's public knowledge they are being drafted in to help manage the situation in Ireland. Some are being trained up to deal with emergency phone calls. They could even do tests, or transport people to various isolation or medical facilities. A lot of Defence Force personnel will be trained in some very relevant skills

    I wonder are they good babysitters? Not even joking, our healthcare workers need somewhere reliable to leave their kids with schools and crèches closed.


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    #6636
    Syncpolice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 245 ✭✭Syncpolice


    Is the UK staying open for business with Ireland

    Company supplying goods to the UK


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    #6637
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Strazdas wrote: »
    Four weeks.....maybe six weeks max

    Most experts think total shutdown of a country for longer would be unsustainable (negatives begin to outweigh the benefits).
    Do you have any links to pieces about the economics of this?


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    #6638
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users Posts: 85,623 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    digitaldr wrote: »
    On a lighter note, Ready, Steady - Cook! Is being rebooted just in time for the pandemic. For those of you too young to remember the original - two groups of contestants get a few mystery ingredients and compete to make the best meal. I can just imagine it now - dried penne, can of beans & some dog food!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CCMxE9Hly0

    I like Rylan but couldn't get into the reboot
    https://forumofgames.com/




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    #6639
    SharpshooterTom
    Registered Users Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭SharpshooterTom


    The original Ready Steady Cook only ended in 2010.

    I don't think too many people on here will be too young to remember it lol.


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    #6640
    Spook_ie
    Registered Users Posts: 10,896 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    Turtwig wrote: »
    No we're not. There is no natural immunity to polio and small pox. These aren't really a problem though because we can inoculate ourselves with vaccines.

    Do you happen to have a CoVid19 vaccine in your pocket?


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    #6641
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    I have a home ventilator that I have never used. I was given it around the time I was diagnosed with cancer to help my breathing but the treatment worked fast so I never needed it. I wonder should I donate it? Would hospital even accept it or do they need to source equipment carefully?


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    #6642
    Spook_ie
    Registered Users Posts: 10,896 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    BluePlanet wrote: »
    No that's why we have science.
    We can vaccinate.

    Another one with a CoVid19 vaccine in their pocket!


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    #6643
    Strazdas
    Registered Users Posts: 18,251 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Do you have any links to pieces about the economics of this?

    It's not just the economics, behavioural scientists think the psychological impact of a society shutting down for months would be disastrous for the population.

    I read somewhere during the week that experts think it should be 4-6 weeks max and then the lockdown must be lifted again, no matter what.


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    #6644
    Clarence Boddiker
    Registered Users Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Clarence Boddiker


    Simon Harris: "People packing into pubs could help to spread the virus"

    Simon Harris: "Stopping flights from Italy just wouldn't work"


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    #6645
    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,139 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    The government and authorities believed that there would be some responsibility taken by people. We're always very quick to point fingers at Government telling us what to do and treating us like kids / nanny state etc. They then ask us to exercise some responsibility and restraint in an unprecedented public health emergency and we can't. Some people won't heed any advice and just blame the gubbermint regardless.


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    #6646
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users Posts: 16,123 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Strazdas wrote: »
    Govt should be stressing that total nationwide "lockdown" and self isolation would only last for four weeks or so.
    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    It won't last four weeks. I'm thinking 10-16 is a more likely number.

    Seems Strazdas is saying total lockdown is only sustainable for a month or so before people start running out of food, essential medication etc., while Ciaran is saying pandemic could be raging for much longer. You could both be right...


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    #6647
    trapp
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 510 ✭✭✭trapp


    Sustainability of social distancing needs to be discussed as a separate issue from the virus itself.

    Of course the measures being taken are being implemented to save lives, prevent the health system from collapsing under the strain, to protect the vulnerable and at risk.

    These measures are needed and I'm not in anyway against them.

    But we can't just see everything in black and white. We could if there was an end in sight in a matter of weeks or even months but there isn't.

    How long before the effects of isolation become another grave issue along with the virus?

    Everyone is clear on the health effects of loneliness. Everyone is clear on the effects of unemployment on physical and mental health. Many are going to be effectively unemployed for a long period of time and may remain so after the crisis.

    How will this isolation affect anyone with depression, suicidal tendencies, mental health difficulties?

    How will this isolation affect people confined to home and living in dysfunctional families with problems of abuse, drugs and alcohol abuse?

    How will this affect the most disadvantaged children in our society with no escape to school and no education for a prolonged period of time?

    What will the rates of domestic abuse, suicides etc be if social isolation is implemented over a prolonged period?

    I repeat, I support the measures being implemented to save lives. The experts are doing their best in an evolving situation where everything is new.

    This can be done for weeks without doubt, but is it tenable for months?

    I repeat, I don't know but it needs to be discussed.

    Mental Health and suicide, anxiety etc were all major issues and thinking about suicide major killers up to a couple of weeks ago.

    I know this virus has the potential to kill many more people than suicide but the long term effects of social isolation need to be discussed.


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    #6648
    BLIZZARD7
    Registered Users Posts: 1,985 ✭✭✭BLIZZARD7


    ThomasFlynn wrote: »
    Typical recency bias. Hyperbole to the extreme.

    We'll eventually see the full impact of this over the next 2 years sure, but 150,000-600,000 were killed during the 2009 Flu Pandemic and AIDS killed 32 million in the 20th century. Some perspective.

    We'll see also what happens to this virus during the summer whether or not it will sustain its exponential rise.

    It's my opinion. Time will tell. No we won't see the full impact of this in the next 2 years, the economic impact from this will be felt for more than a decade. Neither AIDS or Swineflu had European countries shutting borders and a dramatic reduction in international travel.

    I also think the timing of this combined with the background and legacy economic issues from the 2008 crash are going to amplify the effects of this immensely.

    Hopefully the overall death's are far below the figures you mentioned above but there is every possibility they will be multiples higher.


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    #6649
    ThePopehimself
    Registered Users Posts: 336 ✭✭ThePopehimself


    Beasty wrote: »
    Sobering thought

    I suspect you'll still be able to get your fixes via Room Service

    I see what you did there ;)


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    #6650
    banie01
    Registered Users Posts: 16,584 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    Other countries are doing things differently and are also being advised by highly qualified people. I disagree that people should go unquestioned. Doctors are fallible.

    The UK have apparently based their advice on a cohort of 500 UK patients.

    The rest of the world is following advice from the WHO based on a cohort of 72000 patients.

    I will try and find a link to the source for this but it is based on an article I read recently.

    Matt Hancock today has announced the NHS will buy any and all available ventilators, whilst also saying they will advise over 70s to self isolate for up to 4 months in the coming weeks.

    UK advice is trying to have the best of both worlds, its current strategy is completely at odds with WHO measures.
    It is at odds with the only countries that have had any arrest to date on Covid-19. SK, China and Taiwan.

    That mass events are still ongoing, is frankly unbelievable from an outside standpoint.


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    #6651
    macnug
    Registered Users Posts: 619 ✭✭✭macnug


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    I have a home ventilator that I have never used. I was given it around the time I was diagnosed with cancer to help my breathing but the treatment worked fast so I never needed it. I wonder should I donate it? Would hospital even accept it or do they need to source equipment carefully?

    They wont use it. Youd be better off keeping it in case you or someone you know needs it.

    Edit: Actually HSE wont use it but voluntary organisations or local nursing homes might.


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    #6652
    Lundstram
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭Lundstram


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    I have a home ventilator that I have never used. I was given it around the time I was diagnosed with cancer to help my breathing but the treatment worked fast so I never needed it. I wonder should I donate it? Would hospital even accept it or do they need to source equipment carefully?
    Ring them and ask. I'd say they'd take it and clean/modify it somehow if there's a shortage in the future. Very kind of you, fair play.


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    #6653
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users Posts: 2,113 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    The government and authorities believed that there would be some responsibility taken by people. We're always very quick to point fingers at Government telling us what to do and treating us like kids / nanny state etc. They then ask us to exercise some responsibility and restraint in an unprecedented public health emergency and we can't. Some people won't heed any advice and just blame the gubbermint regardless.

    Yes... and knowing all that, the Gov still decided to appeal to the better nature that they don't have.

    Act faster and harder.


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    completedit
    Registered Users Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭completedit


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    The government and authorities believed that there would be some responsibility taken by people. We're always very quick to point fingers at Government telling us what to do and treating us like kids / nanny state etc. They then ask us to exercise some responsibility and restraint in an unprecedented public health emergency and we can't. Some people won't heed any advice and just blame the gubbermint regardless.

    What do you mean? Nobody thinks they are part of the other 100 people. If everyone has the mentality that I’m not the problem someone else is or we are not the problem, they are, then quickly all pubs, bars, restaurants will fill up and thus show the 100 person limit was nonsensical.

    It had to be communicated to the public that this wasn’t a ordinary weekend. By telling people 100 people is permissible, it gave them the green light to go out,


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    #6655
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Strazdas wrote: »
    It's not just the economics, behavioural scientists think the psychological impact of a society shutting down for months would be disastrous for the population.

    I read somewhere during the week that experts think it should be 4-6 weeks max and then the lockdown must be lifted again, no matter what.
    I was just looking for data on it. I know the behavioural aspect of it has been mentioned regularly at briefings.


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    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    I was just out to a garden centre to buy some seed spuds and onion sets.
    It wasnt too busy, but there were people there with kids etc.

    Then I stopped by aldi to pick up some bits, the car park was full but the shop wasnt too busy apart from the tills, they had 4 open. Again lots of families too.

    I think we need these stricter measures sooner rather than later.


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    harr
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    Reading posts from some British people on social media they are really coming across as brain dead and brainwashed to a point that it’s scary...they have blind faith in what the government are doing. And it’s a “ **** you once I am alright “ attitude. I suppose nothing should surprise us after brexit ... it’s still only a cold to a lot of them not even a flu only a cold .:eek:


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    Blanco100
    Registered Users Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭Blanco100


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    The government and authorities believed that there would be some responsibility taken by people. We're always very quick to point fingers at Government telling us what to do and treating us like kids / nanny state etc. They then ask us to exercise some responsibility and restraint in an unprecedented public health emergency and we can't. Some people won't heed any advice and just blame the gubbermint regardless.

    People whinging about the government not closing pubs. "I wouldn't have went if the government had closed it. Bastids".


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    #6659
    Jin luk
    Registered Users Posts: 388 ✭✭Jin luk


    Can we go close the borders with the uk now?really never thought id even imagine it, but f*ck it close the border these brits are gone crazy again.


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    #6660
    Strazdas
    Registered Users Posts: 18,251 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    Seems Strazdas is saying total lockdown is only sustainable for a month or so before people start running out of food, essential medication etc., while Ciaran is saying pandemic could be raging for much longer. You could both be right...

    I'm also saying a deeply depressed nation would outweigh the impact of even several thousand people dying of a virus. You can only put an entire society on hold for a limited period of time.....people have to be allowed to live (not allowing it would be the equivalent of locking up the nation in a maximum security prison).


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    #6661
    wakka12
    Registered Users Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    50% increase in global deaths from coronavirus in the last 5 days
    4000 deaths on 10th March, over 6000 now.

    Over 300% increase in cases in Europe in the last 5 days.


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