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I need feminism because... [READ FIRST POST BEFORE POSTING]

  • 07-04-2016 8:39am
    #1
    IvyTheTerrible
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭IvyTheTerrible


    Of late, there have been requests to have a thread where posters of the lounge can discuss feminism. In the past, these threads have attracted a large gathering of trolls, so this time round we are going to have some clear cut rules. Failure to abide by them will result in cards/bans.

    • No whataboutery.
    • No discussion of other threads or forums or their moderation.
    • No criticising others opinions. We are not of single mind, but you can disagree without being insulting.
    • No generalisation of genders.
    • No transphobic attitudes.
    • Remember where you are posting. This is The Ladies' Lounge. A forum primarily for women to discuss women's issues from a woman's perspective.
    The Charter applies. All of it. It is your responsibility to read it before posting.
    Remember, If you think someone is breaking one of those rules, or you have a problem with a post, please report it. Don't derail the thread.

    So, with that all said, go forth and discuss. Why do you need feminism?


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  • #2
    Das Kitty
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 17,231 Mod ✭✭✭✭Das Kitty


    ... I actually feel lucky to have made it to this age without having been raped, and only having been sexually assaulted a few times.


  • #3
    IvyTheTerrible
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭IvyTheTerrible


    ..I dread renewing my advertisement for my English classes because I get at least one obscene phone call every time from guys pretending they want to learn English.


  • #4
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Because a woman got a criminal conviction for having an abortion.


  • #5
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,537 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Because a woman got a criminal conviction for having an abortion.

    The NI woman who took the pills? Must have been a dreadful experience.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #6
    baby and crumble
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,512 ✭✭✭baby and crumble


    Because I know that I'm "lucky" that I'm well respected and have wage parity with the men in my sector.

    Edit: I realise now this looks like a humble brag. It so isn't meant that way.


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  • #7
    beks101
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,802 ✭✭✭beks101


    I need feminism because of the need for a [READ FIRST POST BEFORE POSTING] disclaimer in this, and in any thread about feminism on an internet forum.

    I need feminism because of the particular need for this disclaimer in a forum designed specifically for women and women's issues.

    I need feminism because as a woman who's been taught to be ambitious, strong, and to never feel like anything is beyond my limit - feminism is not a dirty word. Feminism is what got me there. Feminism is not about sexism, or misandry, or preferentialism, or any of the things that popular discourse nowadays will tell us that it is.

    I need feminism because I love women and men equally, I recognize their differences and will never accept a society or a notion or an opinion that deems me less capable, less responsible, less entitled, less ANYTHING because of my gender.

    I need feminism because I'm tired of being ashamed or afraid to call myself a feminist.


  • #8
    flowerchild
    Registered Users Posts: 534 ✭✭✭flowerchild


    I need feminism because I wouldn't be me without it.


  • #9
    B0jangles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,951 ✭✭✭B0jangles


    For many reasons, but the one that jumped out at me today is the depressing (but not surprising) result of statistical analysis of comments left under articles on the Guardian website:
    New research into our own comment threads provides the first quantitative evidence for what female journalists have long suspected: that articles written by women attract more abuse and dismissive trolling than those written by men, regardless of what the article is about.

    Although the majority of our regular opinion writers are white men, we found that those who experienced the highest levels of abuse and dismissive trolling were not. The 10 regular writers who got the most abuse were eight women (four white and four non-white) and two black men. Two of the women and one of the men were gay. And of the eight women in the “top 10”, one was Muslim and one Jewish.

    And the 10 regular writers who got the least abuse? All men.

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/apr/12/the-dark-side-of-guardian-comments

    If we don't want to be shouted down we need to keep speaking up.


  • #10
    The Black Oil
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 18,505 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    If you don't know Isabel Hardman she's a political commentator in the UK. I've heard regularly on the BBC, seems well-informed and good at her job.

    When I read this earlier today it struck me as being why the Picard facepalm was invented.

    https://twitter.com/IsabelHardman/status/719805680207708160

    https://twitter.com/IsabelHardman/status/719806951564124160

    Moderator: Television, Psychology and Dublin County North.

    CMod: Entertainment



  • #11
    Tigger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,247 ✭✭✭Tigger99


    Because when a male political commentator is described, it's never prefaced by "seems well-informed and good at his job". It's just assumed he is.


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  • #12
    sullivlo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,994 ✭✭✭sullivlo


    Because I shouldn't need to have feminism. I should be treated as an equal rather than the presence of a Y chromosome.


  • #13
    allym
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,368 ✭✭✭allym


    I need feminism because there is actually a backlash at colleges trying to introduce consent classes. And that backlash is 99.9% from men.


  • #14
    JCX BXC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,227 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    I need equalism because........ oh wait :P


  • #15
    Letree
    Registered Users Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭Letree


    B0jangles wrote: »
    For many reasons, but the one that jumped out at me today is the depressing (but not surprising) result of statistical analysis of comments left under articles on the Guardian website:



    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/apr/12/the-dark-side-of-guardian-comments

    If we don't want to be shouted down we need to keep speaking up.

    I wonder are the journalists getting the most abuse the writers of click-bait feminist articles.


  • #16
    FortySeven
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,296 ✭✭✭FortySeven


    allym wrote: »
    I need feminism because there is actually a backlash at colleges trying to introduce consent classes. And that backlash is 99.9% from men.

    I need feminism to teach me how not to rape women. Oh wait.... No, I knew that was wrong already.


  • #17
    fatknacker
    Registered Users Posts: 2,342 ✭✭✭fatknacker


    Any time a woman highlights a gender injustice, anything to do with double standards or an unfairness in her world, no matter how calmly...she gets called, or is compared to a hysterical man-hating feminazi who plays victim at any given opportunity.
    Then is subjected to a volley of whatabouts and "logic-bombs" that her emotional mind can't handle.
    Which is in truth, just someone arguing aggressively and relentlessly in a manner that would never be done in such a way if the person they were "discussing at" were someone they had any respect for in the first place.


  • #18
    IvyTheTerrible
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭IvyTheTerrible


    Letree wrote: »
    I wonder are the journalists getting the most abuse the writers of click-bait feminist articles.

    MOD Less of the whataboutery please, do it again and cards will be handed out.


  • #19
    IvyTheTerrible
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭IvyTheTerrible


    FortySeven wrote: »
    I need feminism to teach me how not to rape women. Oh wait.... No, I knew that was wrong already.

    MOD Less of the whataboutery here please. Do it again and cards will be handed out.


  • #20
    FortySeven
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,296 ✭✭✭FortySeven


    Ok. So I need feminism so I don't have to listen to opposing viewpoints that I don't like.

    Ps. That was not whataboutery. If I labelled all women as potential anything's I would be shouted down as a generalizing bully. These consent classes are labelling ALL men potential rapists. Is that what you all need feminism for?

    I believe I have the right of reply when you label myself and my son to be either too stupid to understand no, or so criminal that we would commit rape.

    I was abused by my mother as a child. Can I send an entire gender for reeducation classes too?


  • #21
    IvyTheTerrible
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭IvyTheTerrible


    MOD: FortySeven, you were warned. Reread the first post and if you continue to argue with mod actions on thread, you'll get a three day ban from the forum.


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  • #22
    Neyite
    Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,947 Mod ✭✭✭✭Neyite


    I need feminism because even in 2016 there is an still an assumption that a woman is mainly responsible for housework and hygiene in a shared home. That a messy home is somehow 'her' standards slipping. Not his. I need feminism because emotional labour in the home still typically falls to the woman to do.


  • #23
    LenaClaire
    Registered Users Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭LenaClaire


    I need feminism because of studies like this...https://www.glassdoor.com/research/studies/gender-pay-gap/

    People keep saying that women get paid less because they work part time or they choose lower paying fields. This study shows that even when accounting for same Education, Years of Experience, Industry and Job title, women get paid less than men.


  • #24
    Penny Tration
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,687 ✭✭✭✭Penny Tration


    Because I'm judged on the size of my chest rather than the size of my brain.

    Because some men think it's flattering to grope me in bars.

    Because when I shut down flirting, I'm a frigid bitch.

    Because women still don't have bodily autonomy.


  • #25
    Lau2976
    Registered Users Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭Lau2976


    I need feminism because...

    I'm not "old enough" to decide to get a permanent contraception, even if I pay.

    I don't have bodily autonomy

    A man backs off if I say I have a boyfriend but not that im not interested.

    I get cat called and even groped in the street.


  • #26
    allym
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,368 ✭✭✭allym


    Because I always feel the need to apologise for my opinions. God forbid I'm seen as "bossy" or a "bitch".

    Because even when I do have the courage to express an opinion, I'm told why that's wrong.

    Because there is a constant negative reaction to a "feminist" idea or opinion. Basically we're all men haters for daring to have an idea about equality


  • #27
    joe40
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭joe40


    hello ladies, I'm a guy so I hope i'm not intruding but I have a serious question that I would be interested in your views. It is in relation to abortion. Firstly it is my personal opinion that a woman should have a right to control over her own body. No one could force to give a blood transfusion against my will. However is repeal of abortion law a feminist issue when it seems to me that quite a large number of women are bitterly opposed to abortion. Surely as women their views could be considered as feminist opinion.
    I don't have any figures for the actual numbers but just based on conversations with friends especially for people over 40 the ones most likely to oppose a abortion are women. Again just anecdotal. Lucinda creighton effectively gave up a career in politics on this issue.
    Some people have quite rightly in my opinion condemned the belfast case but it was two female housemates that reported her. I don't think two male housemates would have as easily. I'm guessing the general demographic on this forum will be younger with more pro choice views but if you were to take all the women of irelands views (women only) what would the overall opinion be do you think.
    Again i'm just interested in opinions I don't want to argue a point since I don't have any good evidence. Thanks


  • #28
    allym
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,368 ✭✭✭allym


    I'm not sure if discussion is allowed on this thread so mods feel free to delete if not.

    Now this is only my personal opinion. But I would consider it a feminist issue by the fact that we, as women, do not have bodily autonomy and the right to make full reproductive choices. Men do.

    So women are not equal to men in that respect, and it is therefore a feminist issue. Whether someone agrees with women having that choice or not does not take away from it being a feminist issue, if that makes sense? That's just their personal view.


  • #29
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    If you don't believe a woman should have the right to decide what happens to her body then you are not a feminist.


  • #30
    joe40
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭joe40


    eviltwin wrote: »
    If you don't believe a woman should have the right to decide what happens to her body then you are not a feminist.

    Personally I agree with you but I just want to clarify the terminology.
    Are you saying that in your opinion a woman that does not support or agree with abortion cannot call herself a feminist. Would that be a consensus opinion do you think.

    Sorry if this is not a debate thread.


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  • #31
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,537 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I would argue that the concepts of feminism and pro-life/anti-abortion are mutually exclusive. The two clash fundamentally and so are extremely difficult if not impossible to reconcile.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #32
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    joe40 wrote: »
    Personally I agree with you but I just want to clarify the terminology.
    Are you saying that in your opinion a woman that does not support or agree with abortion cannot call herself a feminist. Would that be a consensus opinion do you think.

    Sorry if this is not a debate thread.

    That's my opinion. I don't see how you can call yourself a feminist if you support the idea of keeping women pregnant against their will. I believe a true feminist would respect a woman's decision even if they personally don't like the idea of abortion.


  • #33
    RDM_83 again
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭RDM_83 again


    eviltwin wrote: »
    That's my opinion. I don't see how you can call yourself a feminist if you support the idea of keeping women pregnant against their will. I believe a true feminist would respect a woman's decision even if they personally don't like the idea of abortion.

    Isn't this something thats pretty controversial in Feminists circles though it obviously trends to pro-choice?
    I mean by that definition you can't be a feminist if you support any time limits for the termination of pregnancy right?

    Having read a good amount of feminist sources I can hand on my heart say I don't know what it actually is apart from in the most vague terms of equality, if I quoted some prominent feminist figures like Greer as why I needed feminism I would likely be banned from this thread (mainly because I would be trolling, but if I genuinely held a subsection of feminist beliefs it would be an honest and feminist viewpoint to say I need feminism because “just because you lop off your penis… it doesn’t make you a woman”- direct quote not my opinion!!!


  • #34
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,688 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    I would argue that the concepts of feminism and pro-life/anti-abortion are mutually exclusive. The two clash fundamentally and so are extremely difficult if not impossible to reconcile.
    RDM_83 again wrote: »
    Isn't this something thats pretty controversial in Feminists circles though it obviously trends to pro-choice?
    I mean by that definition you can't be a feminist if you support any time limits for the termination of pregnancy right?

    Having read a good amount of feminist sources I can hand on my heart say I don't know what it actually is apart from in the most vague terms of equality, if I quoted some prominent feminist figures like Greer as why I needed feminism I would likely be banned from this thread (mainly because I would be trolling, but if I genuinely held a subsection of feminist beliefs it would be an honest and feminist viewpoint to say I need feminism because “just because you lop off your penis… it doesn’t make you a woman”- direct quote not my opinion!!!

    This is something that really bugs me about pre-conceptions of feminism, or the more hardcore sides of it.

    To me feminism is freedom of choice for women. That means freedom of choice to be a stay at home mum, to choose not to have children and focus on a career, to choose to try to do both, freedom of choice to be a working mum with a stay at home partner, freedom of choice to believe it's ok to have an abortion prior to a certain length of gestation, freedom of choice to believe that it's wrong to have an abortion.

    Feminism is about enabling women, and as long as we choose to label women and their behaviour as acceptable or unacceptable according to the norms we deem acceptable, and as long as we do so more than we do to men, there is an issue.

    I had a conversation on this topic tonight with my mother, in that she wondered why so few people do the job I do. I then described a typical 3 months in my job to her with lots of travel, absence from home, a need to constantly study and keep up with qualifications, and she shuddered.

    Yet I love it, and feminism in the past has led to me being able to do it, rather than marrying and having children with no access to contraceptives e.g.
    Many wouldn't and that's their choice.

    I sometimes wonder if the fundamental tenet of feminism, which is about freedom of choice for all without predujice, has been forgotten by those who choose to entrench themselves on either side of the debate, leaving those of us in the middle with no voice to speak for us, left in a vacuum of wondering if it's worth embracing what it has achieved in the past and appreciating it?


  • #35
    FortySeven
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,296 ✭✭✭FortySeven


    Stheno wrote: »
    This is something that really bugs me about pre-conceptions of feminism, or the more hardcore sides of it.

    To me feminism is freedom of choice for women. That means freedom of choice to be a stay at home mum, to choose not to have children and focus on a career, to choose to try to do both, freedom of choice to be a working mum with a stay at home partner, freedom of choice to believe it's ok to have an abortion prior to a certain length of gestation, freedom of choice to believe that it's wrong to have an abortion.

    Feminism is about enabling women, and as long as we choose to label women and their behaviour as acceptable or unacceptable according to the norms we deem acceptable, and as long as we do so more than we do to men, there is an issue.

    I had a conversation on this topic tonight with my mother, in that she wondered why so few people do the job I do. I then described a typical 3 months in my job to her with lots of travel, absence from home, a need to constantly study and keep up with qualifications, and she shuddered.

    Yet I love it, and feminism in the past has led to me being able to do it, rather than marrying and having children with no access to contraceptives e.g.
    Many wouldn't and that's their choice.

    I sometimes wonder if the fundamental tenet of feminism, which is about freedom of choice for all without predujice, has been forgotten by those who choose to entrench themselves on either side of the debate, leaving those of us in the middle with no voice to speak for us, left in a vacuum of wondering if it's worth embracing what it has achieved in the past and appreciating it?

    Now that is feminism I agree with. Well said.


  • #36
    Lucyfur
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,513 ✭✭✭✭Lucyfur


    MOD

    Can I remind you of the thread title and the opening post please? Don't derail. If you've an issue you would like to discuss, start a new thread.


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  • #37
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,007 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Well said Stheno.
    Stheno wrote: »
    Yet I love it, and feminism in the past has led to me being able to do it, rather than marrying and having children with no access to contraceptives e.g. Many wouldn't and that's their choice.

    I'm not sure who's responsible for this but I believe a fundamental misunderstanding occurred when we were told "we can have it all" ... i.e. careers and children IF we wanted. The principle seemed to become "we must have it all" and that the norm is that women have jobs and kids and anyone who chooses to have one or the other is lacking something in their lives or somehow selfish. I think that's changing now but it still hangs around like a bad smell.
    Stheno wrote: »
    I sometimes wonder if the fundamental tenet of feminism, which is about freedom of choice for all without predujice, has been forgotten by those who choose to entrench themselves on either side of the debate, leaving those of us in the middle with no voice to speak for us, left in a vacuum of wondering if it's worth embracing what it has achieved in the past and appreciating it?

    It definitely has. I would guesstimate that 90% of "feminists" simply believe in "freedom of choice for all without prejudice" (I'll be throwing that perfectly put definition around from now on, thanks! :)) but the word "feminist" has become tainted by the loudest, most aggressive and controversial opinions which the media and far too many people are happy to grab onto and portray as "typical feminism".


  • #38
    Neyite
    Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,947 Mod ✭✭✭✭Neyite


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Well said Stheno.
    I'm not sure who's responsible for this but I believe a fundamental misunderstanding occurred when we were told "we can have it all" ... i.e. careers and children IF we wanted. The principle seemed to become "we must have it all" and that the norm is that women have jobs and kids and anyone who chooses to have one or the other is lacking something in their lives or somehow selfish. I think that's changing now but it still hangs around like a bad smell.

    I was reading on another forum yesterday where a woman, along with her husband, chose to be a stay-at-home-mother even though the children are in school - I think the ages ranged from mid teens to 7/8.

    They could afford to comfortably live off one wage, husband was happy that mum was happy to do the taxiing to after-school study/ music lessons/ dash to school with the forgotten PE kit, dentist/ doctor stuff. All that jazz. He had the freedom to agree on the spot to a business trip, or stay late for a work crisis without worrying who was going to pick up the kids. She was happy because she got to spend time with her children. They were happy because now mum could go to every match or recital or whatever and see them play. She volunteers a couple of mornings a week at a charity. She's busy maintaining their lives.

    So it should be all good, right? Whole family happy. Except she was feeling a bit judged by people because she didn't work now her kids are at school. She felt that people thought she was lazy or a leech. She wondered if she should imply she worked part time from home, because she was a bit tired of the "so, what do you do?" questions being asked like "sooo, what do you do all day long" or the hints from people about job-hunting or upskilling to get back into the workforce.

    It should be freedom of choice for all without prejudice. That to me is what my feminism means.


  • #39
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,007 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Neyite wrote: »
    she was a bit tired of the "so, what do you do?" questions being asked like "sooo, what do you do all day long" or the hints from people about job-hunting or upskilling to get back into the workforce.

    The four most feared words a stay-at-home parent can hear:
    "So, what do you do?"
    "I'm a homemaker"
    "So, what do you do?"

    I need feminism because ... working in the home (which, let's face it, is much more an occupation of women than men) is a perfectly valid and highly valuable job which should be appreciated by society.


  • #40
    sullivlo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,994 ✭✭✭sullivlo


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    The four most feared words a stay-at-home parent can hear:
    "So, what do you do?"
    "I'm a homemaker"
    "So, what do you do?"

    I need feminism because ... working in the home (which, let's face it, is much more an occupation of women than men) is a perfectly valid and highly valuable job which should be appreciated by society.

    One of my friends is a stay at home dad as his wife can earn enough to maintain the family and both are happy with the set up.

    The amount of people who make catty remarks about him being made do the cooking etc, saying that his wife should give up her job and let him go back to work...

    That's why we need feminism. It needs to be okay for a woman to work.

    As an aside, the wife's take home pay is double what the guy could earn, they wouldn't be able to afford to only have him work.


  • #41
    flowerchild
    Registered Users Posts: 534 ✭✭✭flowerchild


    Feminism helps one see the systemic prejudices and inequalities behind superficially individualised comments, abuse or experiences.


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  • #42
    flowerchild
    Registered Users Posts: 534 ✭✭✭flowerchild


    flowerchild wrote: »
    Feminism helps one see the systemic prejudices and inequalities behind superficially individualised comments, abuse or experiences.

    That is, you can see that someone is sexist as well as a d***khead. It makes the offence less, because they are clearly unworthy.

    Not an attractive way to think, but I find it useful.


  • #43
    Eatyourveg
    Registered Users Posts: 8 ✭Eatyourveg


    As a male feminist i must say that I think a lot off women's child care problems would be solved if they would consider dating men who are less career orientated than themselves, if we are going to change the dominant ideology of the patriarchy then this has to happen,we cannot ask men to change their dominant ideology when we are reluctant to change this social system ourselves,we are just going around in circles then,we must not go from the patriarchy to something even worse, which is a class based socially and economically divided society


  • #44
    LenaClaire
    Registered Users Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭LenaClaire


    I need feminism because, my friend who is working on her doctorate just got told her research was "cute" :mad::(


  • #45
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Eatyourveg wrote: »
    As a male feminist i must say that I think a lot off women's child care problems would be solved if they would consider dating men who are less career orientated than themselves, if we are going to change the dominant ideology of the patriarchy then this has to happen,we cannot ask men to change their dominant ideology when we are reluctant to change this social system ourselves,we are just going around in circles then,we must not go from the patriarchy to something even worse, which is a class based socially and economically divided society

    Child care is not a "woman's problem" as you seem to think. Its a couple's problem, equally the responsibility of the father as the mother.

    Attitudes like that are why I am a feminist.


  • #46
    RDM_83 again
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭RDM_83 again


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Child care is not a "woman's problem" as you seem to think. Its a couple's problem, equally the responsibility of the father as the mother.

    Attitudes like that are why I am a feminist.

    I am not sure thats what the poster is saying, isn't he saying that to develop a more egalitarian society women need to stop the tendency* to select for men with higher income.


  • #47
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    RDM_83 again wrote: »
    I am not sure thats what the poster is saying, isn't he saying that to develop a more egalitarian society women need to stop the tendency* to select for men with higher income.

    It's not really a response to his or her post, just an observation based on that comment. There is a tendency to see child care as the responsibility of the mother.


  • #48
    Lucyfur
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,513 ✭✭✭✭Lucyfur


    Eatyourveg wrote: »
    As a male feminist i must say that I think a lot off women's child care problems would be solved if they would consider dating men who are less career orientated than themselves, if we are going to change the dominant ideology of the patriarchy then this has to happen,we cannot ask men to change their dominant ideology when we are reluctant to change this social system ourselves,we are just going around in circles then,we must not go from the patriarchy to something even worse, which is a class based socially and economically divided society

    MOD

    As a male feminist you think women need to be attracted to one certain type of man. Right. Can I ask you to read the OP. There's a link to the charter in there too


  • #49
    orubiru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭orubiru


    Lucyfur wrote: »

    MOD

    As a male feminist you think women need to be attracted to one certain type of man. Right. Can I ask you to read the OP. There's a link to the charter in there too

    "Can I ask you to read the OP"

    The OP that says "no criticising others opinions. We are not of single mind, but you can disagree without being insulting"? Hm?


    "As a male feminist you think women need to be attracted to one certain type of man. Right."

    Your logical fallacy is... No True Scotsman. You're welcome.


  • #50
    sullivlo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,994 ✭✭✭sullivlo


    orubiru wrote: »

    "Can I ask you to read the OP"

    The OP that says "no criticising others opinions. We are not of single mind, but you can disagree without being insulting"? Hm?


    "As a male feminist you think women need to be attracted to one certain type of man. Right."

    Your logical fallacy is... No True Scotsman. You're welcome.

    MOD:

    Do not question a mods actions on thread. Any issues, feel free to PM.

    Perhaps you could also take a read of the OP, charter and get back on topic.


  • #51
    sullivlo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,994 ✭✭✭sullivlo


    LenaClaire wrote: »
    I need feminism because, my friend who is working on her doctorate just got told her research was "cute" :mad::(

    Is it about baby rabbits? Because that is the only justifiable reason to call research "cute".


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