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Shannon airport

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  • #402
    imurdaddy
    Site Banned Posts: 638 ✭✭✭imurdaddy


    Come on lads! Listen to the man us boggers down here contribute nothing to the economy and sure theres not past kildare worth seen! And its as handy for us drive to dublin when we can afford a honda 50! Its way easier than going to SNN

    What ever ye say is rhetoric and lies and all his opinions as gospel because he doesn't read the clare champion. Only for the good aul yankie troops and there B52's pax numbers this year would have been the worst ever without the kind hand of DAA bailing us out! Lock the gates and turn off the lights we'll all move to dublin and our taxs might count then.

    im off to foynes to get the yankie clipper once I find my tweed cap!


  • #403
    GCU Flexible Demeanour
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,257 ✭✭✭GCU Flexible Demeanour


    imurdaddy wrote: »
    Why would politicians and lobby groups for the midwest region give there backing to something that would damage the midwest?
    I think what would be hoped is that politicians in the Mid West would see greater benefits from pursuit of a common interest. As it stands, Dublin Airport delivers more tourists to the West and does more to connect West of Ireland businesses to Europe and beyond than Shannon does.

    Blind and destructive pursuit of Shannon Airport as an end in itself isn't actually a sound policy.
    Carnacalla wrote: »
    They really developed it from 3.6million to 1.4million didn't they?
    How did it ever reach 3.6 million, if DAA control was so corrosive?

    IIRC, the 3.6 million figure was achieved as a result of a cut-price deal with Ryanair, that SNN could hardly have afforded to offer without a financial backer. And, as SNN's commercial manager of the time admitted, the traffic was mostly outward; it wasn't an engine for bringing in tourists from abroad.
    L1011 wrote: »
    Without CBP there would be zero TATL flights a day, pure and simple. The drive to DUB would be less than the time wasted at immigration at the far end in many cases, particularly all summer.
    In fairness, I'm not sure CBP is that big a deal. I'd suspect that the current traffic figures would, more or less, be achieved without it.


  • #404
    JCX BXC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,281 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    GCU Flexible Demeanour wrote: »
    Dublin Airport delivers more tourists to the West and does more to connect West of Ireland businesses to Europe and beyond than Shannon does.

    According to who? Your really pulling statistics out of your rear end now. Are you telling me that Shannon would maintain all the Multinationals they have if the airport closed tomorrow? Would Limerick keep theirs? Would Galway keep all theirs? No, not at all.
    Blind and destructive pursuit of Shannon Airport as an end in itself isn't actually a sound policy.How did it ever reach 3.6 million, if DAA control was so corrosive?
    Who's having the "blind and destructive pursuit of Shannon Airport"?


    And sure they got it to 3.6 million, but the focus completely switched then and it plummeted, far more than it should have. Ryanair didnt account for even half over the 2.2million passengers lost.
    What's the point of saying " oh it's fine that the passenger numbers are plummeting, not our fault, we got the numbers really high!"


  • #405
    Jamie2k9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,785 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    According to who? Your really pulling statistics out of your rear end now. Are you telling me that Shannon would maintain all the Multinationals they have if the airport closed tomorrow? Would Limerick keep theirs? Would Galway keep all theirs? No, not at all.

    Yes they would, only thing that would drive them away is tax changes.


  • #406
    JCX BXC
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    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Yes they would, only thing that would drive them away is tax changes.

    That makes no sense! Companies are always talking about how important connectivity is to people. The companies "fly" away if the airport was to close. Either to Dublin or further afield.


  • #407
    Jamie2k9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,785 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Carnacalla wrote: »
    That makes no sense! Companies are always talking about how important connectivity is to people. The companies "fly" away if the airport was to close. Either to Dublin or further afield.

    It's impotent but wouldn't result in a pull out.


  • #408
    highlydebased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,471 ✭✭✭highlydebased


    notharrypotter wrote:
    Care to elaborate I know that the terminal was rebuilt in the last decade or so but what was the other development in 2008?


    AFAIK 2008 was the construction for separation of arriving and departing pax and the new cbp facility


  • #409
    Van.Bosch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,951 ✭✭✭Van.Bosch


    This may be controversial and I don't mean to troll but it seems to me that SNN really only prospered for geographic and political reasons in the past. As neither of these are still really there (although there is still political pressure and Lobby groups - which is normal as they are just looking out for their own area.) I'm amazed the airport is still as busy and can't see it ever hitting previous pax numbers unless they give FR another bumper deal.


  • #410
    JCX BXC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,281 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    Think of Shannon as Limericks airport. It just better located to suck half the traffic from Galway. (Edit: and all of Clare's traffic )

    You think Shannon's bad (its really not though), look at the un-nameable in Mayo.


  • #411
    Tenger
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,971 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    Im locking this thread as its turning into yet another descent into parish pump arguments. It will reopen in a day or two when you have all calmed down


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  • #412
    Tenger
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,971 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    Thread is re-opened. Can we please look towards the present and future viability of SNN. Baseless and biased accusations towards/and from the SNN supporters do not add to this thread.
    SNN is now an independant airport, it must stand on its own and hopefully the mgmt team will work towards growth rather than looking back and moaning about the change in aviation over the last 20 years. It has the facilities and the location to be viable. Lets hope it does so.


  • #413
    JCX BXC
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    Still no Manchester and Kaunas loaded in the Ryanair Schedule. Any reason why or are they just pending announcements for them airports?


  • #414
    highlydebased
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    Carnacalla wrote:
    Still no Manchester and Kaunas loaded in the Ryanair Schedule. Any reason why or are they just pending announcements for them airports?


    Patience is everything


  • #415
    imurdaddy
    Site Banned Posts: 638 ✭✭✭imurdaddy


    Carnacalla wrote: »
    Still no Manchester and Kaunas loaded in the Ryanair Schedule. Any reason why or are they just pending announcements for them airports?

    Might be dropped in favour of new routes? All thought Kaunas was doing well, not sure about Manchester?

    we had a visit from Air Corps today PC-9 & AW139 its been a bit since iv spotted them at SNN.


  • #416
    JCX BXC
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    imurdaddy wrote: »
    Might be dropped in favour of new routes? All thought Kaunas was doing well, not sure about Manchester?

    we had a visit from Air Corps today PC-9 & AW139 its been a bit since iv spotted them at SNN.

    Kaunas is doing very very well. Far better than expectations.
    Manchester also doing very well.


  • #417
    roundymac
    Registered Users Posts: 2,712 ✭✭✭roundymac


    There is talk here in Cork that FR will announce a Beauvais route, will that mean transfering the SNN route. If not it is going to create an over supply of the Patis route, ie; Orkto CDG and Beauvais and SNN Beauvais,. Of course that maybe what FR wants, playing one off the other.


  • #418
    GCU Flexible Demeanour
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    Carnacalla wrote: »
    According to who?
    Just to clarify a point of fact, the present situation is as I said.
    http://www.wdc.ie/wp-content/uploads/reports_blueprint_tourism_development.pdf page 28

    The vast majority of tourists enter Ireland through Dublin and Table 2.7 serves to highlight the importance of the road network in distributing visitors around the country. There is clearly scope to increase throughput at Knock, City of Derry, Shannon and other airports. However, it is likely that the majority of visitors to the west will continue to access the region from the East coast.
    http://itic.ie/fileadmin/docs/New_Directions_-__Final.pdf page 4

    Almost 7 out of every 10 overseas holiday visitors to the west currently arrive in Ireland via an east coast gateway. These holidaymakers account for 80% of overseas holiday bednights in the west.
    The fact that most West of Ireland tourists enter the country from the East (which predominantly means Dublin Airport, as only 10% of tourists use the boat and only 4% cross over from Northern Ireland) can be read in any amount of ways. It could mean that Shannon has a ready-made market to break into. Or it could mean that tourists don't see any great benefit in travelling through Shannon.

    But that is, as of now, how tourists get into the country.


  • #419
    JCX BXC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,281 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    Interesting.

    Maybe Shannon and Cork have the wrong focuses at the Minute. They should steal the Inbound traffic from Dublin rather than the outbound.


  • #420
    imurdaddy
    Site Banned Posts: 638 ✭✭✭imurdaddy


    Van.Bosch wrote: »
    This may be controversial and I don't mean to troll but it seems to me that SNN really only prospered for geographic and political reasons in the past. As neither of these are still really there (although there is still political pressure and Lobby groups - which is normal as they are just looking out for their own area.) I'm amazed the airport is still as busy and can't see it ever hitting previous pax numbers unless they give FR another bumper deal.


    Simply Shannon has a large catchment area serving clare, Galway, limerick, most of tipp, nort cork and nort kerry. Plus for transatlantic flights it serves the whole west coast.

    Some posters would have you believe everyone is willing to travel to Dublin to save €50 that is simply not true! people want to use there local airport, but it needs routes if a destination I wish to visit is not served I have to look elsewhere to fly from! If it was true that we're all happy to travel to dublin to to save a few €€ passenger numbers would be declining instead of increasing.

    Would someone from Dublin drive to shannon to save €50 on a flight?


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  • #421
    JCX BXC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,281 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    Kaunas and Manchester are now bookable for Winter 2015/16. No change from winter 2014/15.


  • #422
    Lockheed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 697 ✭✭✭Lockheed


    Heard rumors about the AN225 being in on Sat at quarter to niine ... is this true?


  • #423
    highlydebased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,471 ✭✭✭highlydebased


    Lockheed wrote: »
    Heard rumors about the AN225 being in on Sat at quarter to niine ... is this true?

    Yes and apparently leaving Sunday at 11pm local. Don't shoot the messenger though!


  • #424
    Lockheed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 697 ✭✭✭Lockheed


    Is the Iberia 727 still rotting there?


  • #425
    imurdaddy
    Site Banned Posts: 638 ✭✭✭imurdaddy


    Lockheed wrote: »
    Is the Iberia 727 still rotting there?

    yep it parked down past West Air, the airport fire service use it for training or used to anyway.


  • #426
    Pat Dunne
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,006 ✭✭✭Pat Dunne


    Lockheed wrote: »
    Heard rumors about the AN225 being in on Sat at quarter to niine ... is this true?

    AM or PM?


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  • #427
    Lockheed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 697 ✭✭✭Lockheed


    Pat Dunne wrote: »
    AM or PM?

    PM


  • #428
    Pat Dunne
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,006 ✭✭✭Pat Dunne


    I have read on the following link https://twitter.com/ShannonAirport/status/585756874848477184

    That the An225 is arriving at Saturday 20:45 (8:45pm) and departing Sunday 11:00 (11:00 pm).


  • #429
    frankiebaby
    Registered Users Posts: 121 ✭✭frankiebaby


    highlydebased wrote: »
    Yes and apparently leaving Sunday at 11pm local. Don't shoot the messenger though!

    Hope it's true! How do you guys find this info? Is there a somewhere online to check the schedule of incoming aircraft. I also saw in the FR24 thread that 2 x 747s were due in last Saturday - where do people find this info, especially for non commercial, non scheduled flights?


  • #430
    highlydebased
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    Pat Dunne wrote: »
    I have read on the FR24 thread http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=95006305&postcount=3187

    That the An225 is arriving at Saturday 20:45 (8:45pm) and departing Sunday 11:00 (11:00 am).

    Apparently its 11pm Sunday rather than 11am

    https://twitter.com/ShannonAirport/status/585756874848477184
    (Add 1 hour to above times)


  • #431
    westdub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 690 ✭✭✭westdub


    New arrival time of 03.00 Sunday morning...
    Yes 3am in the morning.....

    Departure remains 23.00 Sunday....


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  • #432
    JCX BXC
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    westdub wrote: »
    New arrival time of 03.00 Sunday morning...
    Yes 3am in the morning.....

    Departure remains 23.00 Sunday....

    Where is this new info coming from?


  • #433
    Lockheed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 697 ✭✭✭Lockheed


    westdub wrote: »
    New arrival time of 03.00 Sunday morning...
    Yes 3am in the morning.....

    Departure remains 23.00 Sunday....

    Is this true?


  • #434
    imurdaddy
    Site Banned Posts: 638 ✭✭✭imurdaddy


    Lockheed wrote: »
    Is this true?

    I have heard the same times! But it could change again.


  • #435
    Lockheed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 697 ✭✭✭Lockheed


    imurdaddy wrote: »
    I have heard the same times! But it could change again.

    Hopefully it does. I'm planning a daytrip to Shannon anyway, would love to see the abandoned Maddog there and the 727


  • #436
    imurdaddy
    Site Banned Posts: 638 ✭✭✭imurdaddy


    Lockheed wrote: »
    Hopefully it does. I'm planning a daytrip to Shannon anyway, would love to see the abandoned Maddog there and the 727

    If you can visit Atlantic airventure in shannon town, plenty of aircraft, cockpits engines and all sorts of aviation memorabilia.


  • #437
    notharrypotter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,112 ✭✭✭notharrypotter


    What is
    abandoned Maddog


  • #438
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    notharrypotter wrote: »
    What is

    DC-9/MD80 series


  • #439
    westdub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 690 ✭✭✭westdub


    Carnacalla wrote: »
    Where is this new info coming from?

    There's a rather large spotting community in Ireland that like's to keep eachother up to date with what's happening....


  • #440
    Skuxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,378 ✭✭✭Skuxx


    Lockheed wrote: »
    Hopefully it does. I'm planning a daytrip to Shannon anyway, would love to see the abandoned Maddog there and the 727

    Where exactly is this maddog parked??


  • #441
    Lockheed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 697 ✭✭✭Lockheed


    Skuxx wrote: »
    Where exactly is this maddog parked??

    I have no clue. Seen pictures of it sitting on the grass without engines in a gallery of pictures of shannon.


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  • #442
    notharrypotter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,112 ✭✭✭notharrypotter


    Seen pictures of it sitting on the grass without engines in a gallery of pictures of shannon
    Can you link the picture?


  • #443
    Blue Punto
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 834 ✭✭✭Blue Punto


    Lockheed wrote: »
    Hopefully it does. I'm planning a daytrip to Shannon anyway, would love to see the abandoned Maddog there and the 727

    I could be wrong but there is no Maddog down there
    The last one a few years back was broken up

    5944244772_a42696eca1_b.jpgN361LF by niallsaviation, on Flickr


    The Iberia 727 is still there and used by the Fire & Rescue Service
    7355512642_58521c806f_b.jpgEC-CFA by niallsaviation, on Flickr


  • #444
    roundymac
    Registered Users Posts: 2,712 ✭✭✭roundymac


    I'm amazed that Iberia let them use it without painting it over. Can you imagine a nervous flier who for arguments sake was flying on an connecting flight with Iberia seeing that, would'nt do much for their confidence.


  • #445
    eastmayo
    Registered Users Posts: 688 ✭✭✭eastmayo


    Sorry if this has been asked already,where in the states is antonov departing from today,just want to track her on flight rador,


  • #446
    JCX BXC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,281 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    Its flying from Bangor from what I've last heard. It probably won't show up on the departures/arrivals tables on Flight radar, so you'll have to keep an eye out.


  • #447
    TPMP
    Registered Users Posts: 227 ✭✭TPMP


    Delta will no longer be using the 757 on the Shannon-JFK route next year and will now be using the 767-300. Great news.


  • #448
    JCX BXC
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    TPMP wrote: »
    Delta will no longer be using the 757 on the Shannon-JFK route next year and will now be using the 767-300. Great news.

    I agree good news. How many seats does a 767-300 have in comparison to the 757-200?

    When will the Ryanair summer schedule being released? Looks disappointing at the moment.


  • #449
    roundymac
    Registered Users Posts: 2,712 ✭✭✭roundymac


    Great news for SNN, I went on one of those "buckets" a few years back, thank god it was a calm flight, it rattled enough as it was. I would'nt worry too much about FR, they will load their flights anythime up to xmas, at least that what they used do for Cork.


  • #450
    roundymac
    Registered Users Posts: 2,712 ✭✭✭roundymac


    This should give you an idea.
    http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Delta_Airlines/Delta_Airlines_Boeing_767-300_D_New.php


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  • #451
    JCX BXC
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    roundymac wrote: »
    This should give you an idea.
    http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Delta_Airlines/Delta_Airlines_Boeing_767-300_D_New.php

    Not that version anyway, that's the one that goes to Hawaii. There's 5 versions of 767 and 9 of 757 so it was a waste of time looking at them.


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