Shannon airport

BowWow

notharrypotter wrote: »

here you go 2013 accounts.

Thanks.

Profit of €152k after previous w/o of >€100m.

This'll end in tears.

questionmark?

BowWow wrote: »

Thanks.

Profit of €152k after previous w/o of >€100m.

This'll end in tears.

Their no longer losing money, making a profit and are very early into their new found freedom but yet it will end in tears. The negativity on this forum regarding Shannon and Knock is beyond a joke.

Mc Love

Why is there so much hatred for shannon!? Surely it can only be a blessing to have such a facility open under its own steam instead of being controlled by a group in Dublin with no interest in its growth etc.

The decades of holding back and interfering in aviation and aviation policy in the country to keep one airport going via the stopover policy and preventing Dublin having an appropriate length runway to attract customers.

JCX BXC

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The decades of holding back and interfering in aviation and aviation policy in the country to keep one airport going via the stopover policy and preventing Dublin having an appropriate length runway to attract customers.

Decades of holding back? Maybe a decade if I'm being nice, but Shannon achieved far more than it held the country back. Dublin still had a large short haul market.

The stopover was more of a government issue than Shannon's fault. It's not a great excuse to have so many haters.

Carnacalla

Carnacalla wrote: »

Decades of holding back? Maybe a decade if I'm being nice

It was in place for at least 63 years. From 1945 to 2008. That's more than one decade, over that period the US government considered banning Aer Lingus flying to JFK to force a relaxation of the rule.

http://www.historicalaviationireland.com/archives/shannon.html

You may not consider it enough of a reason to "hate" (your words) Shannon but for 63 years policies were deliberately created to force airlines to use Shannon and hobble Dublins development.

Back in the mid 80's the government was lobbied by many in the Dail to reduce the length of the proposed 28/10 to prevent Dublin from taking business away from Shannon. http://www.oireachtas-debates.gov.ie/D/0354/D.0354.198412120040.html

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056950137&page=5


That's more than one decade that's seven.

Aerohead

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/1201/663893-shannon/

Storm 10

90,000 passengers a year, Stobart should be asked WHY they are really pulling out of Shannon, I am surprised that Aer Lingus have not said anything about the pull out, 90,000 is a lot of passengers for any small airline.

notharrypotter

Stobart should be asked WHY they are really pulling out of Shannon,

Stobart won the PSO for Dublin to Donegal and Dublin to Kerry.

They need to redeploy their aircraft to meet their new commitment.

Hence bye bye Shannon.

Aerohead

notharrypotter wrote: »

Stobart won the PSO for Dublin to Donegal and Dublin to Kerry.

They need to redeploy their aircraft to meet their new commitment.

Hence bye bye Shannon.

And when its taken back from them they will pull the plug and cancel those routes. Shannon will get jets now to cover the routes they abandoned instead of loud slow aircraft.

Chicken1

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Ryanair Boss Promises Future Routes from Shannon Airport


1 December, 2014 - 13:34

• Tourism

Ryanair has confirmed it is in active negotiations with Shannon Airport in a bid to add additional routes for 2015.
The airline held a press conference in Shannon this morning where CEO Michael O'Leary says he lives in fear of a future government reinstating the travel tax.
This morning saw Ryanair Chief Executive Michael O'Leary welcome the Airline's 13th millionth passenger at Shannon Airport.
In a boyant mood O'Leary says their new found policy of less robust customer service has proven popular - and if he'd known it would be so positive they would have done it sooner.
Last week Stobart Air announced from January 5th it would pull its services from Shannon Airport - routes which carried 90,000 passengers a year.
Michael O'Leary says his airline is looking at taking on two of the three routes - but nothing's been confirmed as of yet.
O'Leary says capacity is proving problematic for them in relation to the Stobart Services as all of their planes are fully booked up until Winter of 2015.
Separately the Ryanair Chief executive has thanked the government for taking what he called the brave step of srcapping the travel tax.
Minister for Finance Michael Noonan has returned the praise saying the entire Mid West region has benefitted as a result

Jamie2k9

Aerohead wrote: »

And when its taken back from them they will pull the plug and cancel those routes. Shannon will get jets now to cover the routes they abandoned instead of loud slow aircraft.

When its taken back from them after 2017 the aircraft in question will be getting scrapped as they will be at their life cycle!

notharrypotter

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It was in place for at least 63 years. From 1945 to 2008. That's more than one decade, over that period the US government considered banning Aer Lingus flying to JFK to force a relaxation of the rule.

You may not consider it enough of a reason to "hate" (your words) Shannon but for 63 years policies were deliberately created to force airlines to use Shannon and hobble Dublins development.

.

Historically Aer Lingus and Aer Rianta were intertwined.

In 1958 Aer Lingus started trans atlantic services using Constellations.

In 1960 they started using B720's not B707's for their trans atlantic services.
Trans continental rather than intercontinental aircraft. Range and performance issues.

It did not get the proper aircraft for the North atlantic until the B747 arrived in 1970.

The Shannon stopover ended in the 1990's.

That's more than one decade that's seven

So thats 3 decades not 7.

Back in the mid 80's the government was lobbied by many in the Dail to reduce the length of the proposed 28/10 to prevent Dublin from taking business away from Shannon. http://www.oireachtas-debates.gov.ie/D/0354/D.0354.198412120040.html

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056950137&page=5

The dail debates referenced above are from the 1980's and are typical local political stuff.
At best they delayed the inevitable by 10 years.


The same practice operated in Scotland until the 1990's where Prestwick was the designated trans Atlantic airport.

So Ireland was not unique.

And when its taken back from them they will pull the plug and cancel those routes.

PSO routes run till 2017.

They are gone for the foreseeable future.

Shannon will get jets now to cover the routes they abandoned instead of loud slow aircraft.

Who will provide the jets?

Chicken1

Who will provide the
jets?

If Ryanair are going to take over the routes abandoned by Stobart they will supply the jets, the don't have any turbo prop aircraft.

elastico

notharrypotter wrote: »

Who will provide the jets?

Ryanair one would assume. Michael O'Leary stated this morning that they are looking at taking on 2 of the 3 stobart routes. So jets instead of noisy props.

lambayire

Slightly off topic but the Ryanair Santa Shannon flights have been a fiasco this year.

The booking site crashed last Friday.

They are going to give it another go on Wednesday.

And also, as a by the way, Ryanair were not at fault for any of this!

questionmark?

So what are peoples guesses for the 2 out of 3 routes that Ryanair are looking at and when should we expect a decision?

b757

BHX and EDI, within about the next week or two I reckon.

GCU Flexible Demeanour

notharrypotter wrote: »

<....>

The Shannon stopover ended in the 1990's.<...>

The Shannon Stopover was amended in the 1990s; it required airlines to route half their flights through Shannon, instead of all of them.

But the Shannon Stopover only finally ended in 2008, when it had to go because of an EU-US air services agreement

http://www.rte.ie/news/business/2005/1111/69663-shannon/

The Minister for Transport Martin Cullen has signed an agreement with the US Secretary of Transport Norman Mineta which will see the phasing out of the Shannon stopover by April 2008. The stopover will go under an open skies agreement between the EU and the US.

Details of the renegotiation of the 60 year old bilateral air agreement are due to be finalised next week.

GCU Flexible Demeanour

I was doing some Googling, as this thread reminded me of all things Shannon, when I found this

http://www.anphoblacht.com/contents/17313

<...>When Iarnrod Éireann's new trains, and in particular the carriages running on the Dublin-Belfast Enterprise route, had to land in Ireland, Shannon was the only airport large enough to receive the massive cargo planes delivering the locomotives.<...>

I think we're all sort of used to extra-ordinary claims that don't stack up being made on behalf of Shannon Airport. I found it incredible that anyone would have moved railway locomotives by air instead of sea. But some further digging revealed this

http://www.steamtrainsireland.com/IRN/IRN23.pdf

<...>The first of the ten new 3,200 BHP JT42HCW locomotives were delivered to Ireland in a most unconventional manner on 9th June being conveyed on board a Ukrainian registered Antanov 124-100, which touched down on runway 28 at Dublin Airport at 07:37.

The aircraft, registration UR82066, has a rated maximum take-off weight of 392 tonnes, including fuel and cargo. It is 45 metres long and has a wing span of 73 metres, the cargo area being 36.5 metres in length and 4.4 metres in height. The locomotive itself weighs in at 109 tonnes, is 20,949 mm long over buffers and 4,026mm at its highest point. The Antanov holds some 90,920 litres of fuel at take-off and would consume about 4,546 litres during take-off and 45,460 litres during the first hour of its climb.<...>

The by-the-by is that the locomotive seems to have been flown into Dublin, and not Shannon. (Which reminds me vaguely of how history of trans-Atlantic flight is frequently told as if it all started in Shannon, when the first trans-Atlantic flight from Europe actually took off from Baldonnel in 1928 - eight years before the decision to build Shannon was taken.)

It still seems incredible that a locomotive was delivered by air to Ireland. Does anyone have any further knowledge of this? Were there any similar deliveries, into Shannon or anywhere?

roundymac

This was arranged by the manufacturer in order to meet the delivery deadline and to avoid penilities. AFAIK. And yes it was Dublin, not SNN.

lord lucan

https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/48073612@N04/5124447894/

Irish rail transport engine via air: http://youtu.be/4jffABNaOxg

First of the 201 class to be delivered,a very big and expensive PR stunt.

BonkeyDonker

lord lucan wrote: »

https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/48073612@N04/5124447894/

Irish rail transport engine via air: http://youtu.be/4jffABNaOxg

First of the 201 class to be delivered,a very big and expensive PR stunt.

Was it not to meet the delivery deadline set by Irish Rail - and even then flying it in only happened because the Antonov was in the US and due to fly back empty to Europe so all the pieces just fell into place.

Any PR after the fact was just a bonus.

I see the IAA are looking at remote towers for Shannon and Cork to be controlled from Dublin

https://irl.eu-supply.com/ctm/Supplier/PublicTenders/ViewNotice/161711

roundymac

Deleted User wrote: »

I see the IAA are looking at remote towers for Shannon and Cork to be controlled from Dublin

https://irl.eu-supply.com/ctm/Supplier/PublicTenders/ViewNotice/161711

And a brand new tower in Cork only 5 years old. Has technology moved on that fast?

Crumbs868

GCU Flexible Demeanour wrote: »

I was doing some Googling, as this thread reminded me of all things Shannon, when I found thisI think we're all sort of used to extra-ordinary claims that don't stack up being made on behalf of Shannon Airport. I found it incredible that anyone would have moved railway locomotives by air instead of sea. But some further digging revealed thisThe by-the-by is that the locomotive seems to have been flown into Dublin, and not Shannon. (Which reminds me vaguely of how history of trans-Atlantic flight is frequently told as if it all started in Shannon, when the first trans-Atlantic flight from Europe actually took off from Baldonnel in 1928 - eight years before the decision to build Shannon was taken.)

It still seems incredible that a locomotive was delivered by air to Ireland. Does anyone have any further knowledge of this? Were there any similar deliveries, into Shannon or anywhere?

Are u not mixing two events up? It was an Antonf 225 flight with locos from Canada into shannon that broke a record. Your second link is about an antonof 124 which is the smaller and much more common variant

roundymac

roundymac wrote: »

And a brand new tower in Cork only 5 years old. Has technology moved on that fast?

Yes technology has improved dramatically in the last few years and The EU are helping out with funds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gqv8EECMXJM

When Cork tower was built, it was built too short and is lower than the old tower, The IAA have a history of building towers to short the one in Dublin was built far to short as well. Hence when they applied for planning permission for the new one they wanted it to be the same height as Heathrows at 87m (285ft)

http://www.oconnorwhelan.com/images/pdf/ocw_projects_5.pdf

Crumbs868

Crumbs868 wrote: »

Are u not mixing two events up? It was an Antonf 225 flight with locos from Canada into shannon that broke a record. Your second link is about an antonof 124 which is the smaller and much more common variant

Dublin was the locos and I think Shannon was power station generators.

Picture of AN124 in Dublin with the IR Loco https://www.flickr.com/photos/48073612@N04/5124447894/

To allow clearance tests and driver training to commence in advance of the delivery of the main order of 201s, it was decided to transport the first locomotive, number 201, to Dublin by air. An Antonov An-124 was used to transport the locomotive from London, Ontario to Dublin Airport, arriving on 9 June 1994. The first light-engine test run operated from Inchicore works to Kildare on the 14th

Video of delivery

https://www.facebook.com/AirlinerExperience/posts/366464696835421

GCU Flexible Demeanour

Crumbs868 wrote: »

Are u not mixing two events up? It was an Antonf 225 flight with locos from Canada into shannon that broke a record. Your second link is about an antonof 124 which is the smaller and much more common variant

I find your post interesting, as it suggests the 'locomotive' myth about Shannon is one that people have heard before and believe. It's akin to the myth about Shannon having one of the longest runways in Europe/World, when it just doesn't. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_longest_runways)

I'd even wonder if the story about the record-breaking generator load is actually based on this story

https://www.hahn-airport.de/default.aspx?menu=press_archive&cc=en&dataid=510506

Press article fom 12.08.2009
Frankfurt-Hahn Airport sets world record in air freight

Frankfurt-Hahn Airport has made aviation history. Yesterday, the heaviest single cargo item ever sent via air freight was loaded onto an Antonov 225, the world's largest cargo plane, at Frankfurt-Hahn Airport. The generator for a gas power plant in Armenia, including loading frame, weighs in at a record 189.98 tonnes.

Now, I'm totally open to evidence that some international record was set there. Bearing in mind that, when the AN 225 arrived in Shannon last year just to refuel it made headlines, I'd expect that there should be some online material from some reasonable source that could be linked if this isn't a myth being made before our very eyes.

highlydebased

GCU Flexible Demeanour wrote: »

I find your post interesting, as it suggests the 'locomotive' myth about Shannon is one that people have heard before and believe. It's akin to the myth about Shannon having one of the longest runways in Europe/World, when it just doesn't. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_longest_runways)

The longest runway in Europe/World is just barstool talk really- someone mentions it's the longest in the country and the message gets warped and altered as it gets passed along to suddenly becoming the longest in the world