Ireland is not friendly enough to Muslim tourists

Irish Stones · 05-03-2015 10:34am

NachoBusiness wrote: »

Not that I think bringing your own culture and traditions to another country is a bad thing, the Irish did it for centuries but the two things should not be mutually exclusive.

Probably you Irish did it without making the others feel guilty or shame for not meeting your traditions.
And I'm sure that no violence was involved.

bjork · 05-03-2015 10:36am

Ballyhaunis Ireland’s most ‘cosmopolitan’ town

It’s the only town in the county to have a mosque and there have been scores of Muslims living in Ballyhaunis for decades, initially brought about by the opening of the Halal meat-processing plant in the town in the early 1980s.

http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=16272:ballyhaunis-irelands-most-cosmopolitan-town&catid=23:news&Itemid=46

dutopia · 05-03-2015 10:37am

Boo fecking hoo. I'm tired of every newspaper headline these days being about something Islamic. We're not friendly enough? We're plenty friendly, it's just muslims don't know how to have any craic.

gozunda · 05-03-2015 10:40am

murpho999 wrote: »

As far as I know there are no legal issues with you wearing a Burqa and sunglasses whilst driving.

There is if you are in Saudi ....

tonycascarino · 05-03-2015 10:44am

Couldn't care less what Muslims think. They whine about everything and expect you to change your ways to accommodate them. If they don't like it, then tough. Go somewhere else, the world is big enough.

biko · 05-03-2015 10:45am

seamus wrote: »

If anything we should be making moves to outlaw halal and kosher meats, not moving to make them more freely available. They're barbaric and unnecessary.

I remember when the jews kicked up a stink because kosher was so hard to find.

Oh, wait - that have never happened.

tradhead · 05-03-2015 10:51am

seamus wrote: »

If anything we should be making moves to outlaw halal and kosher meats, not moving to make them more freely available. They're barbaric and unnecessary.

There's plenty of food available in Ireland that's halal and kosher friendly. Just avoid the meat and you won't offend your god.

Pardon my ignorance, but is halal not supposed to be a more humane method of slaughter, as the animal dies instantly? Blood flow to the brain is halted so that the animal can't feel pain; whereas with the traditional methods here, eg. using a bolt to stun cattle, the animal is paralysed but there is no way to tell if they can actually still feel pain.

Even if it's not more humane, I can't see how it's any more barbaric than the conventional methods of killing animals. It's not very pleasant in any way, shape or form.

(For the record, I grew up on a farm and couldn't be further from vegetarian- I'm just curious as to why our method is seen to be better than the others).

SpaceTime · 05-03-2015 10:55am

I'd say this is largely about perception from afar too.

I can think of plenty of countries that are much less Muslim friendly than Ireland and that have actually anti-muslim atmospheres.

RWCNT · 05-03-2015 10:59am

tonycascarino wrote: »

Couldn't care less what Muslims think. They whine about everything and expect you to change your ways to accommodate them. If they don't like it, then tough. Go somewhere else, the world is big enough.

You know this because you've spoke to so many Muslims, yes?

The anti-Muzzy crowd on here are so easily annoyed.

bjork · 05-03-2015 11:01am

Halal slaughtering has to be done by People of the book

How do the slaughterhouses know the people they are hiring are people of the book? Do they ask them in the interview? Discrimination case right there for any interested atheists.

donegaLroad · 05-03-2015 11:02am

no tourist has ever disclosed to me that they are Muslim.

Teyla Emmagan · 05-03-2015 11:04am

Well I wouldn't like to see more prayer rooms popping up to accommodate them. Less pandering to religion is what we need in this country, not more of it.

weisses · 05-03-2015 11:05am

I say keep up the good work Ireland ....

...... Grabs another pork chop

suicide_circus · 05-03-2015 11:09am

Perhaps we should increase our brutalisation of migrant workers to make UAE tourists feel more at home?

BuilderPlumber · 05-03-2015 11:11am

There simply are two types of Muslim: the intelligent, moderate, well read one who knows what is and is not Islamic. For example, banning alcohol and forcing women to cover up is not Islamic and is a warped fascist tradition implemented by fascist dictatorships originally being Saudi Arabia.

The other type is the one blinded and brainwashed by fascist dictatorships like Saudi Arabia, ISIS and Taliban. Obviously, we owe such people a duty of care to get them out of this evil fascist anti-Muslim cult that blasphemes on Islam and uses and abuses Islam. We also owe ourselves a duty of care to protect ourselves from terrorists.

So, any Muslim tourist who complains about wine in restaurants and who then goes out and plans a terror attack that kills innocents is in fact breaching 3 rules of Islam: tolerance for others, the choice to eat and drink whatever as long as it does no harm to others and the fact that he will do harm to others anyway (even if he is not drinking).

But Brevik in Norway is no better. He said he hated 'Islam' (meaning fascist Muslims) and yet goes out and acts exactly like al Qaeda. Fascism and fascist tourists, to sum up, are not welcome anywhere and I am sure every country has enough domestic ones already let alone gaining new ones from other places.

cloud493 · 05-03-2015 11:12am

Oh right. Gutted.

BeerWolf · 05-03-2015 11:14am

Americans travel to distant countries, and those countries cater them serving McDonalds there --- it should be the same for Muslims...! :pac:

BeerWolf · 05-03-2015 11:15am

jank wrote: »

Oh great, something else we can feel guilty for.

You felt guilty at some point?

BeerWolf · 05-03-2015 11:21am

Joya wrote: »

have many muslim friends and they have no probs at all..

I got numerous Muslim friends, those with a very laid back view on religion in general, that have no problem eating pork. Just don't tell their parents...

Pumpkinseeds · 05-03-2015 11:25am

My heart bleeds for them.:rolleyes: I wonder just how European friendly Qatar is going to be for the 2020 World Cup. Now, I've no interest in football, but isn't binge drinking and general feckwittery by supporters messing around on the streets going to and from matches a big part of the experience? What genius decided to host it in a teetotal Muslim country that is notorious for it's lack of tolerance

RWCNT · 05-03-2015 11:26am

BeerWolf wrote: »

I got numerous Muslim friends, those with a very laid back view on religion in general, that have no problem eating pork. Just don't tell their parents...

I have mates like this as well. I think calling themselves Muslim is more identity-based than to do with any beliefs they hold.

conorhal · 05-03-2015 11:31am

Grayson wrote: »

And yet the most popular holiday destination for people in the UK & Ireland is the south of spain. Which is about as spanish as Eastenders.

Well you don't even want to know what I think about the Brits abroad that moan about not being able to get a decent warm pint of bitter and a feed of fish and chips while on holiday. When in Rome.... I eat pasta!

Herb Powell · 05-03-2015 11:32am

Anyone getting worked up about this has reading comprehension problems. I will not apologise for saying that, because if you actually read the fuccking article:

It's just an overview of facilities and practices in Ireland, a tally by one muslim tourist board.
It's not a poll of muslims, asking if they would visit Ireland or not.

It's not an attack on Ireland, and it's not even close to 'muslims asking us to change our ways'. I honestly doubt that muslims willing to travel somewhere are going to give a flying fucck whether the country is halal enough for them or not, and this article does not approach the views of actual muslims.

But no, sure our way of life is under attack now :rolleyes:

Grayson · 05-03-2015 11:35am

conorhal wrote: »

Well you don't even want to know what I think about the Brits abroad that moan about not being able to get a decent warm pint of bitter and a feed of fish and chips while on holiday. When in Rome.... I eat pasta!

When in Dublin I eat pasta

I'll admit to one bit of cultural laziness. I'd been backpacking for about 4 months when I found a place in Bolivia that did a full proper Irish/English breakfast. they even imported sausages. I went back there every day for a week

Hans Bricks · 05-03-2015 12:12pm

Gas. The lobby of Tallaght IT has been taken over by promoters/preachers of Islam since Tuesday at least. From a massive blow up picture of Mecca to billboards and posters littering the walls with verses from the Qu'ran.

RWCNT wrote: »

You know this because you've spoke to so many Muslims, yes?

The anti-Muzzy crowd on here are so easily annoyed.

Ironic considering the thread topic & accompanying article is a criticism of Irish society by "Muzzys".

the_monkey · 05-03-2015 12:14pm

ohh boo f*cking hoo .... Where can I get a nice pork sandwich in Saudi Arabia ?

beauf · 05-03-2015 12:16pm

Grayson wrote: »

When in Dublin I eat pasta

I'll admit to one bit of cultural laziness. I'd been backpacking for about 4 months when I found a place in Bolivia that did a full proper Irish/English breakfast. they even imported sausages. I went back there every day for a week

Any Guinness Pie?

Carlos Orange · 05-03-2015 12:16pm

the_monkey wrote: »

ohh boo f*cking hoo .... Where can I get a nice pork sandwich in Saudi Arabia ?

I think you can buy them from the shop beside the church.

RWCNT · 05-03-2015 12:24pm

Hans Bricks wrote: »

Ironic considering the thread topic & accompanying article is a criticism of Irish society by "Muzzys".

It's not though, did you read the article? Ireland was seen to be a less suitable holiday destination for Muslims compared to other places which were surveyed under the same criteria. They're not trying to make us feel bad, they're telling people where they might like to go on holiday.

Whats your first paragraph got to do with anything?

biko · 05-03-2015 12:29pm

Herb Powell wrote: »

It's just an overview of facilities and practices in Ireland, a tally by one muslim tourist board.

It's not a poll of muslims, asking if they would visit Ireland or not.

Good point. I think the wording is wrong in the article.
It's nothing to do with being "friendly" to muslims. It is about available facilities.

Which is not surprising at all since this is a Christian country and is very accommodating indeed to that particular religion, where as followers of Islam, Jewishness* and Buddism probably are not catered for at all.

*Can't think of the right word for this

Mesrine65 · 05-03-2015 12:32pm

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

I wonder just how European friendly Qatar is going to be for the 2020 World Cup. Now, I've no interest in football, but isn't binge drinking and general feckwittery by supporters messing around on the streets going to and from matches a big part of the experience? What genius decided to host it in a teetotal Muslim country that is notorious for it's lack of tolerance

And shadow financiers of ISIS... apparently :eek:

Should be interesting all those infidels descending upon them.

shruikan2553 · 05-03-2015 12:33pm

They need to learn that in Ireland praying 5 times a year is a lot, never mind in a day.

biko wrote: »

I remember when the jews kicked up a stink because kosher was so hard to find.

Oh, wait - that have never happened.

Turns out they like they're magical meat as much as everyone else.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/denmark-bans-halal-and-kosher-slaughter-as-minister-says-animal-rights-come-before-religion-9135580.html

Irish Stones · 05-03-2015 12:33pm

BeerWolf wrote: »

Americans travel to distant countries, and those countries cater them serving McDonalds there --- it should be the same for Muslims...! :pac:

Isn't it that McDonald's is trying to colonise the world and impose a brand evrywhere just for profit?
We have close to none American over here, we're not a tourists destination, yet we have plenty of McDonald's.

conorhal · 05-03-2015 12:41pm

Grayson wrote: »

When in Dublin I eat pasta

I'll admit to one bit of cultural laziness. I'd been backpacking for about 4 months when I found a place in Bolivia that did a full proper Irish/English breakfast. they even imported sausages. I went back there every day for a week

Yeah I know what you mean, when in Rome I eat pasta, but when I'm drinking in Rome I head for the Irish pub near the train station, because Itallian bars are generally crap (I do love me some limoncello though, BTW never drink a 'pint' of it, you will loose your feckin' mind).

Herb Powell · 05-03-2015 12:42pm

biko wrote: »

Good point. I think the wording is wrong in the article.
It's nothing to do with being "friendly" to muslims. It is about available facilities.

Which is not surprising at all since this is a Christian country and is very accommodating indeed to that particular religion, where as followers of Islam, Jewishness* and Buddism probably are not catered for at all.

*Can't think of the right word for this

Judaism, I will admit I laughed hard though

That's it though. Quite a sneaky article, imo, being used by plenty to stir more ****.

seamus · 05-03-2015 1:40pm

tradhead wrote: »

Pardon my ignorance, but is halal not supposed to be a more humane method of slaughter, as the animal dies instantly? Blood flow to the brain is halted so that the animal can't feel pain; whereas with the traditional methods here, eg. using a bolt to stun cattle, the animal is paralysed but there is no way to tell if they can actually still feel pain.

You tell me;

The food must come from a supplier that uses halal practices. Specifically, the slaughter must be performed by a Muslim, who must precede the slaughter by invoking the name of Allah, most commonly by saying "Bismillah" ("In the name of God") and then three times "Allahu akbar" (God is the greatest). Then, the animal must be slaughtered with a sharp knife by cutting the throat, windpipe and the blood vessels in the neck, causing the animal's death without cutting the spinal cord. Lastly, the blood from the veins must be drained.

In any case, Muslims are permitted to eat non-halal meat provided that it's been prepared by a non-Muslim. So rating Ireland as being unsuitable for Muslims because of a lack of halal is incorrect.

Son Of A Vidic · 05-03-2015 1:42pm

Irish Stones wrote: »

I'm Italian

Which basically just means, your an Irish person who has a very nice tan throughout the year.

keanosbeard · 05-03-2015 1:44pm

No, it is not a sneaky article designed to stir ****

It is a puff peice for an business called Crescent Rating.

Emailed to journalists who are too lazy to go out and hunt for a story themselves

Irish Stones · 05-03-2015 1:46pm

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Which basically just means, your an Irish person who has a very nice tan throughout the year.

I like this definition

Would you like to explain why I am like an Irish? This is not the first time I hear this thing, I have been described like that before during my holidays

iDave · 05-03-2015 1:54pm

So Irish society isn't Islam friendly. Well at least we've done something right since independence.

BlaasForRafa · 05-03-2015 2:01pm

BeerWolf wrote: »

Americans travel to distant countries, and those countries cater them serving McDonalds there --- it should be the same for Muslims...! :pac:

McMuslims?

Grayson · 05-03-2015 2:03pm

conorhal wrote: »

Yeah I know what you mean, when in Rome I eat pasta, but when I'm drinking in Rome I head for the Irish pub near the train station, because Itallian bars are generally crap (I do love me some limoncello though, BTW never drink a 'pint' of it, you will loose your feckin' mind).

I couldn't find many Italian bars in Rome. Irish ones were fecking everywhere.

Then again when I was living in Spain my local was an Irish bar. Everyone who worked and drank there was Spanish. The only thing that made it Irish was the bad Guinness.

RollieFingers · 05-03-2015 2:14pm

Good!

darkpagandeath · 05-03-2015 2:18pm

Why would you cater for a very small minority of people ? Creating a disproportionate response for a none problem, There are halal/kosher here. Just not many as not many are needed. but again Faux outrage and immediate jumping on high horse. :rolleyes:

Grayson · 05-03-2015 2:22pm

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Why would you cater for a very small minority of people ? Creating a disproportionate response for a none problem, There are halal/kosher here. Just not many as not many are needed. but again Faux outrage and immediate jumping on high horse. :rolleyes:

There is about a billion of them.

kylith · 05-03-2015 2:25pm

Grayson wrote: »

There is about a billion of them.

Muslims would be in the minority of tourists that would come here.

darkpagandeath · 05-03-2015 2:25pm

Grayson wrote: »

There is about a billion of them.

Where ? Here ?

conorhal · 05-03-2015 2:26pm

Grayson wrote: »

I couldn't find many Italian bars in Rome. Irish ones were fecking everywhere.

Then again when I was living in Spain my local was an Irish bar. Everyone who worked and drank there was Spanish. The only thing that made it Irish was the bad Guinness.

That's because they're small, pokey and cunningly disguised a cafes.

ScumLord · 05-03-2015 2:28pm

The survey basically says we don't have too many facilities for tourists we weren't really expecting to come here. Typically the media have reported it as Ireland being unfriendly, which is the usual antagonizing stance of the press. They've turned a simple piece of information into a flame war that neither side asked for.

It's not surprising we don't have too many Muslim restaurant or places for prayer, it wouldn't surprise me if the vast majority of Muslims that decide to visit Ireland are fully aware of that fact. But the press have put this in a way that sounds like Muslims are giving out about Irish people which isn't the case.

steddyeddy · 05-03-2015 2:29pm

I have been to several countries where the majority are muslim. It was recommended that I dress accordingly and not get drunk and boisterous. Therefore those countries are not very Irish friendly. I think they need to look up the definition of friendly. Friendly does not mean emulating every belief you have because you believe it.

Ireland is not friendly enough to Muslim tourists

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