Police Shoot and Kill Homeless Man

Mysterypunter · 03-03-2015 12:54am

Its sad for sure, but will happen again and again. Poor people dont matter. They should, but they dont.

deco nate · 03-03-2015 1:06am

steddyeddy wrote: »

Well not in here but there are a lot of armed police in the world that deal with situations like this better than these cowards.

I was talking about people that were defending the police response, in this case and also in the video of the cop shooting the guy in the back seat of the car.

In the case of the video of the cop shooting the guy in the back of the car, he ****ed up. Big time! 1.5 seconds then shoots the guy in the back?! Crys on camera? He knew he ****ed up.

steddyeddy · 03-03-2015 1:06am

The people saying that they'd like to see someone else handling it different are missing the point. Someone is handling it different everyday. In every state in America and most developed countries there is police encountering the same thing day in and day out and handling it right, with balls of steel, skill and intelligence. It's just these cowards that make the news. Don't fall for it. Most trained individuals don't operate are made of better stuff than what's shown here.

Mongfinder General · 03-03-2015 1:06am

Mysterypunter wrote: »

Its sad for sure, but will happen again and again. Poor people dont matter. They should, but they dont.

The reaction of the man who was killed was quite erratic. You don't resist cops in the U.S. They will shot you. Mental illness doesn't really seem to be a deterrent to pulling the trigger.

steddyeddy · 03-03-2015 1:07am

deco nate wrote: »

I was talking about people that were defending the police response, in this case and also in the video of the cop shooting the guy in the back seat of the car.

In the case of the video of the cop shooting the guy in the back of the car, he ****ed up. Big time! 1.5 seconds then shoots the guy in the back?! Crys on camera? He knew he ****ed up.

Oh I agree completely. It's indefensible.

Egginacup · 03-03-2015 1:08am

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

It's only funny because you ignore the main difference. Police have to confront these people, the others don't. They can fall back and ring for, you guessed it, the police.

And if "these people" are so dangerous that they need to be shot dead then how come the workers that I mentioned not armed in the first place since waiting for a cop could be so hazardous? Can you answer that?

steddyeddy · 03-03-2015 1:09am

Mongfinder General wrote: »

The reaction of the man who was killed was quite erratic. You don't resist cops in the U.S. They will shot you. Mental illness doesn't really seem to be a deterrent to pulling the trigger.

Yep as I say they let fear govern their actions instead of reasoning. It's not exactly hard qualifying to be a cop in America.

true567 · 03-03-2015 1:34am

A great idea would be to not resist against the cop(s). I have often fired back at cops with words but never physically, there is no reason to- especially not in this case as one can clearly see. Every time there is clear evidence that they resist their orders physically (yes, I mean when a black guy gets shot by a white cop). 2 years ago an American cop grabbed me from behind and literally threw me across a room while my shirt was clenched in his fist- I did nothing to him and after it answered his questions and was released from the situation. Although I had not done anything to begin with but a friend of a friend I was with was causing trouble- they were white and put in jail. However, someone like an Eric Gardner or Trayvon Martin or this guy would have done what I wanted to do in the moment and strike the guy in the face- its ridiculous that these are still stories and that people feel the need to make a thread about it. For the people who are so outraged, I suggest you go the states and work with the inner city kids or stop posting drivel every time this happens as if you were actually at the event. You just come off as trying to be holier than thou when in reality you are posting on a forum your sadness and frustrations (if even authentic) and probably not doing anything even related to helping out those in need with your career/volunteering (if applicable).

I am living in the states currently and I can breathe because I follow the law... They are currently selling shirts that say "I can breathe because I follow the law". Why? Because people are tired of the sensationalists making money of this and all of the fake concern that people like to put on (including posters here).

diomed · 03-03-2015 1:40am

true567

Move along, nothing to see here, nothing happened?

creolebelle · 03-03-2015 1:56am

Egginacup wrote: »

New York is pretty awful too.

It's gotten better. It was horrible a couple of years ago.

Nucular Arms · 03-03-2015 2:12am

true567 wrote: »

I am living in the states currently and I can breathe because I follow the law... They are currently selling shirts that say "I can breathe because I follow the law". Why? Because people are tired of the sensationalists making money of this and all of the fake concern that people like to put on (including posters here).

So someone is selling shirts about all this, and presumably making money whilst doing so... because they are tired of sensationalists making money from all this...

.....

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'Murica!

foggy_lad · 03-03-2015 2:14am

masti123 wrote: »

They even cuffed the man before they shot him. Psychopaths.

They killed him then cuffed him in case he was Jesus and came back to life.

bubblypop wrote: »

I think it really depends on whether the suspect actually had hold of the officers weapon.
If he just reached for it, then it would appear from the video the officers over reacted with devastating consequences.
If however he did have hold of the officers weapon, then I reckon its a lawful killing.

Sounds to me like the officer thought he had dropped his gun in the initial struggle but in fact appears to havve dropped his pepper spray or some other canister.

Nunu wrote: »

What sort of confrontation training, if any, do the LAPD get?

The whole situation was a mess, like watching a royal rumble the way they tackled him. Non plan of action at all!

I've no doubt the deceased got a hold of a gun, but the situation should never have arisen. It was wholly preventable.

They were trying to stop him struggling by repeatedly punching him to the head and body, how the hell is that going to stop him being "combative"

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

Every police officer should be well trained in how to deal with mental illness! Even if they arresting someone or questioning them as a suspect, they should not be talking to people in that screamy, shouty, intimidating way that is only going to serve to escalate the situation.

If the police officers (two at the most, the rest should have remained well in the background) had gone up to the man and calmly and respectfully told him they needed to question him and the reasons why, there most likely would have been no incident at all.

But they are trained in such a way that if you ignore their demands you are non cooperative and will be subject to whatever force is at the officers disposal! those with mental illness or deafness or down syndrom or other such conditions are all treated the same as any other person in the eyes of the brave boys in blue! "To serve and Protect" my feckin arse!

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Why do people keep saying he was cuffed when he was shot? The cuffs are put on him at 1.50 in the video.

just in case he came back to life!

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Im actually seriously considering cancelling my planned trip to LA later this year over these deaths...I know people may say Im being silly and that if you do nothing wrong they wont go near you and you're more likely to be killed at home etc etc but Im at a stage now where Im just going to be terrified even being in the presence of an american cop, they seem so utterly charged to kill at all times, and when Im nervous I trip or say/do stupid things and they may think Im up to no good and BAM im dead.

I have a week planned in May to see LA and Vegas and Im now at a point where the cops there are making me very close to cancelling it. Not sure what to bloody do.

As long as you are white and have a few quid in your wallet you should be fine!

one other thing about this debate about how americans treat their war heroes with many of them being recruited into police forces and fire departments and being retrained as paramedics, this guy was quite likely a veteran of one or more of americas skirmishes around the world yet was Fúckéd on top of the skid row pile with so many other true american heroes who actually fought and paid a heavy price for their beloved country! The armless the legless the blind and the insane, while the cops are just spineless .....

true567 · 03-03-2015 2:17am

diomed wrote: »

true567

Move along, nothing to see here, nothing happened?

Ok I will let you change the world through discussing events on Boards. Joke.

Even though you told me to move along I will answer your question (strange sequence of demands though). Something happened. The man got shot. But...

He deserved it. Do not try to grab a cop's weapon. Literally the dumbest thing you can do if you value your life. I just sat and tried to think of a dumber think and couldn't. Can you? This is just natural selection, this man could not adapt to current (and obvious) social norms of not grabbing a cop's weapon- don't ask me how his genes made it this far because I have no idea.

Carry on with your quest for social justice via Boards forums.

true567 · 03-03-2015 2:20am

Nucular Arms wrote: »

So someone is selling shirts about all this, and presumably making money whilst doing so... because they are tired of sensationalists making money from all this...

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'Murica!

It is called reacting to the demand of the market. Financial Economics 101.

Essentially, it is a reflection of how people think its hilarious that these are still stories. The media picks up on 1 story and throws it in the face of people like yourself to eat up. Some people refer to these people as sheep or morons, who cannot distinguish between real news and superficial news.

diomed · 03-03-2015 2:31am

true567
the victim never gets to make up the story. the police make up fairy tales about being under threat. make believe. psychopaths who treat people as target practice.

true567 · 03-03-2015 2:42am

diomed wrote: »

true567
the victim never gets to make up the story. the police make up fairy tales about being under threat. make believe. psychopaths who treat people as target practice.

Ahh yes of course. It is a big conspiracy in which American cops are psychopaths looking for innocent targets to silence.

Question: If they truly wanted to seek out to murder, wouldn't it be best to to do so not in the middle of the day, on a busy street, with people around and filming the event and security cameras on nearby establishments?

Question: Were all the cops (there were many in the video) in the video psychopaths? And did they discuss and plan the "murder" beforehand?

I would think instead it would be best to take advantage of their power by acting in such a way that they can never be seen actually doing the act- unlike here. And I also think it would be hard to get 5 or 6 LAPD members (LAPD has the best reputation for dealing with minorities as only 23% of the city is non-hispanic white mind you) to converge on this act of violence as pre-meditated, psychopathic murder and yet no whistle-blowers emerge.

I find it laughable though that you are calling someone besides yourself a psychopath...

Nucular Arms · 03-03-2015 2:43am

true567 wrote: »

They are currently selling shirts that say "I can breathe because I follow the law". Why? Because people are tired of the sensationalists making money of this and all of the fake concern that people like to put on (including posters here).

true567 wrote: »

It is called reacting to the demand of the market. Financial Economics 101.

More like irony 101.

I'm thinking of selling some t-shirts that say "I can breath because I don't live in a fascist police state."

true567 · 03-03-2015 2:54am

Nucular Arms wrote: »

More like irony 101.

I'm thinking of selling some t-shirts that say "I can breath because I don't live in a fascist police state."

It is actually not irony if you understand elementary economics but okay.

Good luck with your shirts (even though they don't make sense - from someone who has lived in the U.S. and I am sure 95% of other law-abiding citizens would agree). Maybe 10% of profits can go to the Michael Brown or Trayvon Martin family? Just a thought.

diomed · 03-03-2015 3:17am

true567 wrote: »

And I also think it would be hard to get 5 or 6 LAPD members (LAPD has the best reputation for dealing with minorities as only 23% of the city is non-hispanic white mind you) to converge on this act of violence as pre-meditated, psychopathic murder and yet no whistle-blowers emerge.

Have a read about the police in the USA.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/10/the-police-are-still-out-of-control-112160.html#.VPUnI3ysV8E

Nucular Arms · 03-03-2015 3:31am

true567 wrote: »

It is actually not irony if you understand elementary economics but okay.

Your statement was that people were sick of money being made off of sensalionalism surrounding the recent spate of police killings, the ironic part is that the you maintain that the same people then began buying sensalionalist t-shirts relating to same.

true567 wrote: »

Good luck with your shirts (even though they don't make sense - from someone who has lived in the U.S. and I am sure 95% of other law-abiding citizens would agree).

Since 2000, us police forces have killed very nearly as many us citizens as were killed on 9/11.

During this time the us government has installed a massive, illegal spying and monitoring program on their own citizens.

The us maintains an incarceration rate of its people that is the highest in the world by a huge margin, even bigger than communist china's.

A recently discovered secret domestic detention centre in chicago has been the site of illegal detention and interrogation practices, raising speculation of similar sites located around the country.

Yeah, none of that sounds vaguely suspect at all...

true567 · 03-03-2015 4:46am

Nucular Arms wrote: »

Your statement was that people were sick of money being made off of sensalionalism surrounding the recent spate of police killings, the ironic part is that the you maintain that the same people then began buying sensalionalist t-shirts relating to same.

Since 2000, us police forces have killed very nearly as many us citizens as were killed on 9/11.

During this time the us government has installed a massive, illegal spying and monitoring program on their own citizens.

The us maintains an incarceration rate of its people that is the highest in the world by a huge margin, even bigger than communist china's.

A recently discovered secret domestic detention centre in chicago has been the site of illegal detention and interrogation practices, raising speculation of similar sites located around the country.

Yeah, none of that sounds vaguely suspect at all...

Number of police killings by itself means nothing. How many were wrongful death? That number may say more about unlawful citizens than poor policing. Same goes for incarceration rate- all that says is that Americans are more unlawful, nothing about policing.

And I agree that the NSA program is terrible but that has nothing to do with local cops.

And I cannot comment on the Chicago site because you did not cite.

true567 · 03-03-2015 4:55am

@diomed
Did you seriously just cite an article regarding an isolated incident in 1 U.S. city that happened more than 40 years ago and infer that it somehow corresponds to all current American police officers?

This event 40 years ago in 1 city proves the current U.S. state is a police state?

LOL- I literally did.

Manic Moran · 03-03-2015 6:43am

diomed wrote: »

Very worrying. Very worrying that you know that.

Even more worrying, since that's not a legal sale. Due to artificial scarcity caused by the 1986 GCA, the going rate for a legal fully automatic 5.56mm is on the order of $12,000. $450 is more a black market price.

In the meantime...
http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/02/us/los-angeles-police-shooting/index.html

The video includes enhanced audio to hear what the cops are yelling.

Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck defended the officers' actions.

"I think that this is an awful tragedy, but the officers took -- on the face of it -- reasonable steps to avoid it. Had the individual not grabbed the officer's pistol, certainly we would not be having this discussion," he told reporters.

Note also, two of the officers involved were wearing and had activated body cameras, which should also provide some reasonable footage.

diomed · 03-03-2015 6:48am

true567 wrote: »

@diomed
Did you seriously just cite an article regarding an isolated incident in 1 U.S. city that happened more than 40 years ago and infer that it somehow corresponds to all current American police officers?

This event 40 years ago in 1 city proves the current U.S. state is a police state?

LOL- I literally did.

The Police Are Still Out of Control
I should know.
By FRANK SERPICO
October 23, 2014

I still get hate mail from active and retired police officers.
FRANK SERPICO

Little CuChulainn · 03-03-2015 8:45am

Egginacup wrote: »

And if "these people" are so dangerous that they need to be shot dead then how come the workers that I mentioned not armed in the first place since waiting for a cop could be so hazardous? Can you answer that?

The answer is in the post you quoted. "Because police have to confront these people, the others don't". What you are asking is why do we not arm everyone in case they get attacked. Is this a genuine question or are you just arguing for the sake of it?

true567 wrote: »

A great idea would be to not resist against the cop(s). I have often fired back at cops with words but never physically, there is no reason to- especially not in this case as one can clearly see. Every time there is clear evidence that they resist their orders physically (yes, I mean when a black guy gets shot by a white cop). 2 years ago an American cop grabbed me from behind and literally threw me across a room while my shirt was clenched in his fist- I did nothing to him and after it answered his questions and was released from the situation. Although I had not done anything to begin with but a friend of a friend I was with was causing trouble- they were white and put in jail. However, someone like an Eric Gardner or Trayvon Martin or this guy would have done what I wanted to do in the moment and strike the guy in the face- its ridiculous that these are still stories and that people feel the need to make a thread about it. For the people who are so outraged, I suggest you go the states and work with the inner city kids or stop posting drivel every time this happens as if you were actually at the event. You just come off as trying to be holier than thou when in reality you are posting on a forum your sadness and frustrations (if even authentic) and probably not doing anything even related to helping out those in need with your career/volunteering (if applicable).

I am living in the states currently and I can breathe because I follow the law... They are currently selling shirts that say "I can breathe because I follow the law". Why? Because people are tired of the sensationalists making money of this and all of the fake concern that people like to put on (including posters here).

It's very easy to make a complaint or sue the police after the fact if you have done what they demanded. Not so easy if you have actively resisted. Many people seem to have difficulty understanding this.

foggy_lad wrote: »

just in case he came back to life!

He was still moving. That's why they pointed their guns back at him and cuffed him. Seriously, are people even watching the video?

threeball · 03-03-2015 8:54am

true567 wrote: »

A great idea would be to not resist against the cop(s). I have often fired back at cops with words but never physically, there is no reason to- especially not in this case as one can clearly see. Every time there is clear evidence that they resist their orders physically (yes, I mean when a black guy gets shot by a white cop). 2 years ago an American cop grabbed me from behind and literally threw me across a room while my shirt was clenched in his fist- I did nothing to him and after it answered his questions and was released from the situation. Although I had not done anything to begin with but a friend of a friend I was with was causing trouble- they were white and put in jail. However, someone like an Eric Gardner or Trayvon Martin or this guy would have done what I wanted to do in the moment and strike the guy in the face- its ridiculous that these are still stories and that people feel the need to make a thread about it. For the people who are so outraged, I suggest you go the states and work with the inner city kids or stop posting drivel every time this happens as if you were actually at the event. You just come off as trying to be holier than thou when in reality you are posting on a forum your sadness and frustrations (if even authentic) and probably not doing anything even related to helping out those in need with your career/volunteering (if applicable).

I am living in the states currently and I can breathe because I follow the law... They are currently selling shirts that say "I can breathe because I follow the law". Why? Because people are tired of the sensationalists making money of this and all of the fake concern that people like to put on (including posters here).

Why are you claiming that Trayvon Martin attacks cops when he was accosted for no reason by a fcuking neighbour hood watch volunteer with a gun. I think most people would react badly in that situation, don't you? Only in America would they give a random numpty with a gun the licence to go out and play policeman at night and interfere in peoples lives as he saw fit.

DavidRamsay99 · 03-03-2015 9:18am

If the homeless man did indeed grab the officer's gun then it was a justified shooting. End of.

DavidRamsay99 · 03-03-2015 9:21am

threeball wrote: »

Why are you claiming that Trayvon Martin attacks cops when he was accosted for no reason by a fcuking neighbour hood watch volunteer with a gun. I think most people would react badly in that situation, don't you? Only in America would they give a random numpty with a gun the licence to go out and play policeman at night and interfere in peoples lives as he saw fit.

Martin was shot when he was straddling and began beating George Zimmerman's head off the concrete. Zimmerman feared for his life and reached for his gun and opened fire. It was a justified homicide.

Egginacup · 03-03-2015 10:04am

darced wrote: »

This post has been deleted.

I doubt very much if this guy was blubbing out of any sympathy for his victim. He's blubbing because he was scared sh1tless and now he's coming down from the initial shock.

Egginacup · 03-03-2015 10:23am

Dean0088 wrote: »

They could have. And followed a pattern of behavior that indicated they did Ie. Reaching for waist despite repeated warnings while having a gun pointed at them. Unfortunately, police in the US don't issue the new Hindsight 20:20 RayBans.

If a cop is pointing a gun at you, regardless of who is right or wrong, you shut up and do what he or she says. You can work out the particulars later when everyone's calmed down.

If you're an idiot and decide to antagonize a person with a loaded weapon pointed at you, then I would argue that it's getting yourself shot as opposed to being shot.

In this situation it's not even like the junkie had a moral high ground. He was in a suspicious car, crawling around a bad area with fellow meth heads. The cop was just doing his damn job.

"They could have". Anyone pulled over in Ireland "could have" a gun. Do you see Gardai screaming at motorists "not to Fcuking move! Hands where I can see them!"

If "they could have" is your excuse for opening fire at every opportunity then it's time to rid the force of these fools who let their imaginations get the better of them and start screening for cucumber cool men and women who don't watch much television and certainly don't watch action movies. Preferably people with decent IQ's. People who easily pass psychological tests that weed out anybody who has any penchant for racism, mysoginy, animal cruelty, superstition, corruption, etc.

DavidRamsay99 · 03-03-2015 10:26am

CCTV footage from a different angle supports the version of events that the LAPD were trying subdue the suspect who was dealing drugs, they tased him and he continued struggling before he tried to grab an officer's weapon. Justified.

dbit · 03-03-2015 10:27am

No one on earth posses the right to execute another no matter the surrounding circumstances any one who thinks otherwise is just a scumbag with a god complex.

dbit · 03-03-2015 10:29am

dbit wrote: »

No one on earth posses the right to execute another no matter the surrounding circumstances any one who thinks otherwise is just a scumbag with a god complex.

ED209 on the other hand , i supose you get whats coming to you .

DavidRamsay99 · 03-03-2015 10:31am

dbit wrote: »

No one on earth posses the right to execute another no matter the surrounding circumstances any one who thinks otherwise is just a scumbag with a god complex.

The guy was not executed. He tried to grab an officer's gun and was shot.

Egginacup · 03-03-2015 10:39am

Dean0088 wrote: »

As opposed to what? Abandon all societal principals and go all ISIS on these cops?

Maybe they're totally in the right? The guy could have had the cops gun. Videos crappy and it's hard to see.

The recent Ferguson fiasco taught me a lesson - wait and see. Originally, I expected the outrage to be true - that a white cop had killed a defenseless, unarmed kid.

But what actually happened was that the kid was trying to rob a store and then rushed at a cop who tried to stop him, while his weapon was drawn. What did he expect to happen?

I'd have the same opinion whether the person is white, black, yellow, whatever. Charge a cop with a weapon pointed at you, expect to get shot. Otherwise you could grab weapon and kill the cop.

Excuse me but the encounter with the cop had nothing to do with the incident at the store. So please stop trying to muddy the waters with that. I don't know if Brown tried to rush the cop. It's possible. Although witnesses say otherwise. Brown was shot in the top of his head which means he was on all fours when that bullet hit him....at least that's the opinion of medical examiners. I'm not going to get sidetracked by that case. The very fact that they wouldn't even indict the cop was a travesty. If he was so innocent and telling the truth, a trial with all the evidence in plain sight would have been just a formality. Of course some who don't want to take that risk will bleat about taxpayers money, as if they suddenly have a concern for joe public's wallet.

If you're such a fan of 'wait and see' then shouldn't the same thing apply to the cops in the first place instead of the knee-jerk, lack of patience that they display day in and day out with their public dealings. Cops just blaze away without "waiting to see" what the situation involves. They raid houses, open fire on guys with walking sticks, and god knows what.
And all I ever hear from apologists are these fantasy, hollywood excuses like "they only have a split second to react" or "the perp could be high" or "the suspect could have been reaching for an Uzi in his rucksack. How was the cop to know that the kid sitting on the park bench was rummaging around in his backpack for his water bottle?"

dbit · 03-03-2015 10:41am

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

The guy was not executed. He tried to grab an officer's gun and was shot.

You're funny , Off with you and your belief system , i reject it and replace it with my own . They murdered that man plain and simple he was most likely reaching for anything he could grip while under the influence of three tazer sessions . let me see you stand and not move a muscle after three shots of that . numpties.

DavidRamsay99 · 03-03-2015 10:43am

Egginacup wrote: »

Excuse me but the encounter with the cop had nothing to do with the incident at the store. So please stop trying to muddy the waters with that. I don't know if Brown tried to rush the cop. It's possible. Although witnesses say otherwise. Brown was shot in the top of his head which means he was on all fours when that bullet hit him....at least that's the opinion of medical examiners. I'm not going to get sidetracked by that case. The very fact that they wouldn't even indict the cop was a travesty. If he was so innocent and telling the truth, a trial with all the evidence in plain sight would have been just a formality. Of course some who don't want to take that risk will bleat about taxpayers money, as if they suddenly have a concern for joe public's wallet.

If you're such a fan of 'wait and see' then shouldn't the same thing apply to the cops in the first place instead of the knee-jerk, lack of patience that they display day in and day out with their public dealings. Cops just blaze away without "waiting to see" what the situation involves. They raid houses, open fire on guys with walking sticks, and god knows what.
And all I ever hear from apologists are these fantasy, hollywood excuses like "they only have a split second to react" or "the perp could be high" or "the suspect could have been reaching for an Uzi in his rucksack. How was the cop to know that the kid sitting on the park bench was rummaging around in his backpack for his water bottle?"

Brown beat the officer and tried to take his gun.
The officer would not be doing his job if he did not try to arrest him after he was attacked.
Brown charged him and the officer opened fire.
Justified.
The evidence backed up the officer's story.
Witnesses who claimed that Brown had his hands in the air when he was shot have been totally discredited.
End of.

Egginacup · 03-03-2015 10:49am

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Actually two of them spent 30 months in jail.

You're correct. I'd forgotten that Koon was actually sentenced. I thought his time spent was on remand.

dbit · 03-03-2015 10:49am

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

Brown beat the officer and tried to take his gun.
The officer would not be doing his job if he did not try to arrest him after he was attacked.
Brown charged him and the officer opened fire.
Justified.
The evidence backed up the officer's story.
Witnesses who claimed that Brown had his hands in the air when he was shot have been totally discredited.
End of.

End of, lol i know what id like to see you on the end of , Hopefully you will never have to enconuter such a foul abuse of public service as did Africa !

He was not beating any cop he was on the ground surrounded by 5 cops and shot dead. The start of the clip clearly shows this poor man being punched into the face repeatedly and then tazzered folowed by an execution , your one sad bean im telling ya .

Little CuChulainn · 03-03-2015 10:52am

Egginacup wrote: »

"They could have". Anyone pulled over in Ireland "could have" a gun. Do you see Gardai screaming at motorists "not to Fcuking move! Hands where I can see them!"

Yes I've seen it quite a few times. Be honest, have you ever actually witnessed a traffic stop in a rough area?

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

Brown beat the officer and tried to take his gun.
The officer would not be doing his job if he did not try to arrest him after he was attacked.
Brown charged him and the officer opened fire.
Justified.
The evidence backed up the officer's story.
Witnesses who claimed that Brown had his hands in the air when he was shot have been totally discredited.
End of.

I guarantee that same poster would have been on calling for the officers head if he had let Brown go and Brown had robbed someone else. Some people can never be satisfied and always have to be on the opposing side.

Little CuChulainn · 03-03-2015 10:54am

Egginacup wrote: »

You're correct. I'd forgotten that Koon was actually sentenced. I thought his time spent was on remand.

So not only was it not brushed under the carpet as you claimed but the officers were actually prosecuted twice and two of them received jail sentences.

DavidRamsay99 · 03-03-2015 10:58am

dbit wrote: »

End of, lol i know what id like to see you on the end of , Hopefully you will never have to enconuter such a foul abuse of public service as did Africa !

He was not beating any cop he was on the ground surrounded by 5 cops and shot dead. The start of the clip clearly shows this poor man being punched into the face repeatedly and then tazzered folowed by an execution , your one sad bean im telling ya .

The CCTV footage clearly shows Africa dealing drugs and then beating a man.
The cops turn up and talk to him, he then disappears into his tent, they haul him out, he fights them, they taze him and the cell phone videos shows him still struggling and grabbing for an officer's gun and they are forced to shoot him.

Justified.

Egginacup · 03-03-2015 10:58am

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Eh why would they, The patient would not be armed or reaching for a gun.

Exactly. But the argument was that it's so impossible to restrain someone with mental difficulties that the cops have to taser or shoot him.

You're going round in circles. Someone said "Why couldn't 5 or 6 cops restrain 1 man?", some other dreamer said "he might have been ON something" (the usual catch all excuse). I said "two bouncers can restrain a coked up punter", someone said "a drunk is different to someone who's mentally unhinged".

I said "a couple of nurses in a care home can calm down distressed patient twice their size"

Then you chime in with the glib "a patient wouldn't be armed".

Was Eric Garner armed? Was the old man in Florida armed? Was Patel in Alabama armed when then slammed him to the ground and broke his back and paralysed him?

Quite frankly it's fruitless trying to talk sense or reason to you.

Egginacup · 03-03-2015 11:03am

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

You seem to have a habit of presenting fabricated stuff as fact. You've yet to acknowledge your many inaccuracies so far in this thread, from misrepresenting me to outright factual inaccuracies. Cops in America do not work under the rules you claim they do.

You're damn right they don't. In fact I don't see them adhere to any rules at all.

DavidRamsay99 · 03-03-2015 11:05am

Egginacup wrote: »

Exactly. But the argument was that it's so impossible to restrain someone with mental difficulties that the cops have to taser or shoot him.

You're going round in circles. Someone said "Why couldn't 5 or 6 cops restrain 1 man?", some other dreamer said "he might have been ON something" (the usual catch all excuse). I said "two bouncers can restrain a coked up punter", someone said "a drunk is different to someone who's mentally unhinged".

I said "a couple of nurses in a care home can calm down distressed patient twice their size"

Then you chime in with the glib "a patient wouldn't be armed".

Was Eric Garner armed? Was the old man in Florida armed? Was Patel in Alabama armed when then slammed him to the ground and broke his back and paralysed him?

Quite frankly it's fruitless trying to talk sense or reason to you.

You insist on arguing about the Brown case, the Garner case and this latest case when the evidence exonerated the cops involved.

If you are going to make claims of unjustified killings and murder you have to have EVIDENCE.

You cannot convict someone and bang them up in prison on your uninformed opinion.

dbit · 03-03-2015 11:29am

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

You insist on arguing about the Brown case, the Garner case and this latest case when the evidence exonerated the cops involved.

If you are going to make claims of unjustified killings and murder you have to have EVIDENCE.

You cannot convict someone and bang them up in prison on your uninformed opinion.

But you can shoot people willy nilly , it must be an absolute utopia inside your head.

DavidRamsay99 · 03-03-2015 11:35am

dbit wrote: »

But you can shoot people willy nilly , it must be an absolute utopia inside your head.

Brown attacked the police officer and tried to take his gun and then charged the police offcer and was shot
Martin was shot after he tried to beat Zimmerman's head off the concrete.
Garner died because he was obese.
Africa died because he tried to grab an officer's gun and was shot.

karma_ · 03-03-2015 12:18pm

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

Brown attacked the police officer and tried to take his gun and then charged the police offcer and was shot
Martin was shot after he tried to beat Zimmerman's head off the concrete.
Garner died because he was obese.
Africa died because he tried to grab an officer's gun and was shot.

It never ceases to amaze me that there are people out there, like David here who find it within themselves to defend the indefensible.

Caovyn Lineah · 03-03-2015 12:23pm

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

The CCTV footage clearly shows Africa dealing drugs and then beating a man.
The cops turn up and talk to him, he then disappears into his tent, they haul him out, he fights them, they taze him and the cell phone videos shows him still struggling and grabbing for an officer's gun and they are forced to shoot him.

Justified.

I completely agree with David here.

This was a drug dealer who had no issue assaulting a man on the street, tries to attack POLICE OFFICERS and then tries to take one of their guns.

It was either his life or one of the officers, common sense prevailed in this instance thank god.

karma_ · 03-03-2015 12:30pm

Caovyn Lineah wrote: »

I completely agree with David here.

This was a drug dealer who had no issue assaulting a man on the street, tries to attack POLICE OFFICERS and then tries to take one of their guns.

It was either his life or one of the officers, common sense prevailed in this instance thank god.

Come off it, it's not justice leaving a man dead on the street which could have easily been prevented. I've watched the video and it was an abject failure on their part that 6 officers could not peaceably or even with the use of tazers subdue one individual.

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