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And it begins... (bigot brigade anti-SSM leaflets) - ### Mod Warning in 1st Post ###

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,740 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    VinLieger wrote: »
    If I catch em doing it at my door ill be confronting them with a camera

    Exactly what i will be doing and no problem posting it online and naming and shaming the ****ers. :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    iDave wrote: »
    The only way to defeat bigots will be to put your money where your mouth is and vote.
    That's a strange tradition, I just leave my money in my pocket while I'm voting.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,023 ✭✭✭Satriale


    I hope many of those leaflets don't find their way on to the streets or pavements, and get the printers/distributors prosecuted for multiple counts of littering at €150 a go.

    That would be just terrible.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭Daith


    iDave wrote: »
    Look this campaign was always going to get ugly, and it will only get worse all the way up to May. The only way to defeat bigots will be to put your money where your mouth is and vote.

    This is exactly the tone. Doesn't matter if gay people can adopt already. Doesn't matter if straight couples mightn't have children. Doesn't matter about two girls shagging.

    It's about two men, a cock and a bum and won't somebody think of the children.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭iDave


    ScumLord wrote: »
    That's a strange tradition, I just leave my money in my pocket while I'm voting.

    Its even handier not to bother with cash and get a Visa debit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    Where are the posters decrying the use of the word bigot?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭mrsbyrne


    Foxhound38 wrote: »
    Got this in the door this morning. Inevitable but none the less depressing that this nonsense has started already.

    I'd love it if they could explain to me a) what sodomy 'sounds' like, seeing as they seem to know what a 'special' sound is it, which begs the question HOW DO THEY KNOW THIS, and b) why they seem to think that 'sodomy' is limited to homosexuals?

    Foxhound Is there no small print anywhere to identity which Church commissioned it?
    Make no mistake this kind of leaflet with the emotive words AMD pictures will hit home with some households. I hope the LGBT groups are ready with a counter attack.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,740 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Where are the posters decrying the use of the word bigot?

    Still hugging trees and eating lentil soup, They'll be here soon no doubt :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,042 ✭✭✭zl1whqvjs75cdy


    Unfortunately my money is on this not passing. We are an awfully backward nation who,despite what people may claim, are still largely controlled by the church. This effect is wearing off on the younger generation thankfully but that generation generally don't vote. Pensioners and middle age Irish farmers vote in large numbers and these are the exact groups that fear "the sound of sodomy". I hope I'm wrong but come the end of may I reckon we will embarrass ourselves as a nation by revealing how bigoted the country truly is.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,740 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Unfortunately my money is on this not passing. We are an awfully backward nation who,despite what people may claim, are still largely controlled by the church. This effect is wearing off on the younger generation thankfully but that generation generally don't vote. Pensioners and middle age Irish farmers vote in large numbers and these are the exact groups that fear "the sound of sodomy". I hope I'm wrong but come the end of may I reckon we will embarrass ourselves as a nation by revealing how bigoted the country truly is.

    I think (hope) the older generation may surprise us all on this, I doubt if there is a person in the country who doesn't have an openly gay relative and (again hoping) i think family may be a better persuader than church. I know we all have that Mother/Sister/Uncle/Aunt whatever who will NEVER change their mind on this but i think (HOPE) the country has moved forward a bit.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭RDM_83 again


    And who do you complain to about election literature you find offensive? Any organisation putting this sort of crap through doors should be forced to put (working) contact details on it. I don't see anything identifying who is promoting that tripe.

    Its so almost comically bad I would almost think its an agent provocateur/false flag thing but sadly its probably real.
    The thing is, it doesn't even make any sense either, gay people can still be christian now, they can already adopt AFAIK, and plenty of heterosexual couples enjoy anal sex*.
    Also presumably they are ok with lesbians :confused:

    * actually possibly the same amount as gay couples


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭Daith


    Unfortunately my money is on this not passing. We are an awfully backward nation who,despite what people may claim, are still largely controlled by the church. This effect is wearing off on the younger generation thankfully but that generation generally don't vote. Pensioners and middle age Irish farmers vote in large numbers and these are the exact groups that fear "the sound of sodomy". I hope I'm wrong but come the end of may I reckon we will embarrass ourselves as a nation by revealing how bigoted the country truly is.

    To be honest the only way it's going to pass is to refute their points no matter how ridiculous they are.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    Daith wrote: »
    To be honest the only way it's going to pass is to refute their points no matter how ridiculous they are.

    You can refute points as much as you want but they will still peddle the same lies. There are people who think that the referendum has something to do with adoption


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,653 ✭✭✭✭amdublin


    iDave wrote: »
    Look this campaign was always going to get ugly, and it will only get worse all the way up to May. The only way to defeat bigots will be to put your money where your mouth is and vote.

    I agree. We are going to see lots and lots more of this type of rubbish. So important to vote.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,068 ✭✭✭pauliebdub


    Unfortunately my money is on this not passing. We are an awfully backward nation who,despite what people may claim, are still largely controlled by the church. This effect is wearing off on the younger generation thankfully but that generation generally don't vote. Pensioners and middle age Irish farmers vote in large numbers and these are the exact groups that fear "the sound of sodomy". I hope I'm wrong but come the end of may I reckon we will embarrass ourselves as a nation by revealing how bigoted the country truly is.

    On the contrary, most people are easy going and dont hold extreme religious views or allow a church to shape how they look at the world. A lot has changed in 20 years and few people nowadays wuold have an issue with gay people. What could prevent it passing is apathy and low turn out.

    Needless to say this referendum is going to get very messy come may and those extreme leaflets are only the start of it. Most people are sane and will see through this nonsense. In fact these type of leaflets help the yes camp.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,507 ✭✭✭Buona Fortuna


    My money would be on the IONA Institute.

    Maybe, I'd be surprised.

    Its actually quite amusing - corniness, misspelling and all.

    Its funny, hardly going to change anyone's mind.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭Daith


    You can refute points as much as you want but they will still peddle the same lies. There are people who think that the referendum has something to do with adoption

    A lie can travel around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes

    Irish people do not like change. Refuting points no matter how tedious it is has to be done.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭mrsbyrne


    Daith wrote: »
    To be honest the only way it's going to pass is to refute their points no matter how ridiculous they are.

    ...and to refute the points while smiling and resisting the temptation to call anyone a loon or a bigot or any of the othere epitaphs that only serve to push voters further into the no.camp..
    What I heard over Christmas makes me expect that unless LGBT make a massive push to get 18 to 30s out to vote en masse then this referendum will be defeated.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭RDM_83 again


    Maybe, I'd be surprised.

    Its actually quite amusing - corniness, misspelling and all.

    Its funny, hardly going to change anyone's mind.

    My money would actually be on one of the new fringe Christian Churches, people can hate the Iona Institute and the mainstream churches but they aren't this stupid


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭Daith


    mrsbyrne wrote: »
    ...and to refute the points while smiling and resisting the temptation to call anyone a loon or a bigot or any of the othere epitaphs that only serve to push voters further into the no.camp..

    Right because the No voters will try everything and can say anything.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,746 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    It begins, a masterclass on ad hominem by the PC brigade whose toleration for anything expect for those who disagree with progressive precepts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,109 ✭✭✭RikkFlair


    :pac::pac::pac:
    Not The RTÉ Guide
    @YourRTEGuide
    RTÉ One 18:00 The Angelus: This evening's Angelus will be double the normal volume so that it can be heard over all the sodomy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    Manach wrote: »
    It begins, a masterclass on ad hominem by the PC brigade whose toleration for anything expect for those who disagree with progressive precepts.



    ah, here we are.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭Daith


    Manach wrote: »
    It begins, a masterclass on ad hominem by the PC brigade whose toleration for anything expect for those who disagree with progressive precepts.

    That "ad" doesn't deserve anything but contempt. It's full of lies and ****e.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,088 ✭✭✭SpaceTime


    It's a good thing they didn't push that through my letterbox. My dog is very, very in favour of same sex marriages and she hates people wasting paper!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    Manach wrote: »
    It begins, a masterclass on ad hominem by the PC brigade whose toleration for anything expect for those who disagree with progressive precepts.

    Oh look, the first person to complain about people being intolerant of intolerance.


  • Administrators Posts: 54,256 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Are you in Dublin OP?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭Daith


    Oh look, the first person to complain about people being intolerant of intolerance.

    People can express their opinions but you can't express an opinion of their opinions.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    people can hate the Iona Institute and the mainstream churches but they aren't this stupid

    Thanks, needed a laugh.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭RDM_83 again


    smash wrote: »
    Thanks, needed a laugh.

    Yes they are not this stupid, you can disagree with what they say, they're views , and why they hold those views but the attitude that all your opponents are a bunch of uneducated thicks is how you loose referendums like this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭Daith


    Yes they are not this stupid, you can disagree with what they say, they're views , and why they hold those views but the attitude that all your opponents are a bunch of uneducated thicks is how you loose referendums like this.

    No, people concerned with the sex lives of consenting adults is how this referendum is going to fail.

    I'll happily refute any of their arguments though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Yes they are not this stupid, you can disagree with what they say, they're views , and why they hold those views but the attitude that all your opponents are a bunch of uneducated thicks is how you loose referendums like this.
    My opinion is that you'd need to be thick as shít to have their beliefs. They really are a disgusting bunch of human beings.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭RDM_83 again


    smash wrote: »
    My opinion is that you'd need to be thick as shít to have their beliefs. They really are a disgusting bunch of human beings.

    See your not actually refuting my point at all, since plenty of people that are very smart can have awful views if it wasn't a CC related thing I doubt you'd even bother denying it.
    That attitude plays well on Boards where everybody agrees with SSM anyway but its underestimating your opponents, did you listen to Bacik vs Waters for example.
    Daith wrote: »
    No, people concerned with the sex lives of consenting adults is how this referendum is going to fail.

    I'll happily refute any of their arguments though.

    True enough but this is what Iona institute stuff looks like, its a hell a lot slicker and more likely to sway people.


    Edit: In case there's any doubt I am for SSM but its presuming that everything is like these leaflets is how it could be lost


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,257 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    Manach wrote: »
    It begins, a masterclass on ad hominem by the PC brigade whose toleration for anything expect for those who disagree with progressive precepts.

    What thread are you reading?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Peist2007


    Anyone that tells you they were going to vote yes but have decided against it due to the conduct of the yes side is a liar who were always going to vote no. Works same the other way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭Daith


    True enough but this is what Iona institute stuff looks like, its a hell a lot slicker and more likely to sway people.

    Agreed, I wouldn't underestimate Iona and their ilk. They've enough connections with similar American groups to really destroy this.
    Peist2007 wrote: »
    Anyone that tells you they were going to vote yes but have decided against it due to the conduct of the yes side is a liar who were always going to vote no. Works same the other way.

    I don't think I've met anyone who said they would vote Yes over the conduct of the No side. Though it will be the Yes side who needs to rise above it while the No side try everything.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,679 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,779 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Sodomy is trending in Ireland on Twitter.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3 andymurph


    I don't know anyone that will vote against SSM and everyone I know will vote. To me this is actually kind of funny that they are taking that particular stance for their argument.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Sodomy is trending in Ireland on Twitter.
    Don't tell Tesco, they'll up the price of KY.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭Daith


    andymurph wrote: »
    I don't know anyone that will vote against SSM and everyone I know will vote. To me this is actually kind of funny that they are taking that particular stance for their argument.

    "The won't someone think of the children" is the only stance they have and with enough lies, their best stance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,824 ✭✭✭floggg


    Daith wrote: »
    Agreed, I wouldn't underestimate Iona and their ilk. They've enough connections with similar American groups to really destroy this.



    I don't think I've met anyone to said they would vote Yes over the conduct of the No side. Though it will be the Yes side who needs to rise above it while the No side try everything.

    They can't destroy this without considerable voter apathy or a sudden bout of incompetence on the heretofore excellent yes campaigners.

    If we get a medium to large turn out we will win. A low turn out could be disastrous though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭Foxhound38


    Manach wrote: »
    It begins, a masterclass on ad hominem by the PC brigade whose toleration for anything expect for those who disagree with progressive precepts.

    Ad hominem? The offending leaflet is right there in the link you silly sausage! :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭Foxhound38


    awec wrote: »
    Are you in Dublin OP?

    Yep


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 762 ✭✭✭PeteFalk78


    Oh look, the first person to complain about people being intolerant of intolerance.

    Well it's much of a muchness.
    The PC brigade intolerance of religious beliefs compared to the religious nuts intolerance of the PC brigades rights to equality.

    Both come under the bigot umbrella BTW


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,779 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    A gay bar is having a "Sounds of Sodomy" night on Sunday night.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    A gay bar is having a "Sounds of Sodomy" night on Sunday night.
    Sure that's normal...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,679 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    I just walked to the shop with music blasting in my in-ear headphones, but couldn't hear anything due to all the sodomy.

    I'm voting against SSM. Otherwise, I might have to spend my hard earned cash on proper noise cancelling headphones.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,376 ✭✭✭The_Captain


    Sodomy is trending in Ireland on Twitter.


    Never have the last two words in a sentence been more disappointing :(


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