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**ALL THINGS IRISH WATER/WATER RELATED** Part 2 - MOD WARNING IN OP

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  • #2642
    garhjw
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,424 ✭✭✭garhjw


    I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth
    Smidge wrote: »
    And he is buying up hospitals.
    Anyone smell a very Americanised health care system(even more so than it is now)in the workings??

    This guy is playing real life Monopoly with OUR country.

    Yes that's right. Interesting to hear your views on the Apollo moon landings


  • #2643
    justincasey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 595 ✭✭✭justincasey


    HI,

    I was one of the the graduates yesterday in Tallaght. What a ****ing disgrace a lot of the protesters were (some turned out in there PJ's). Firstly they high-jacked the educational ceremony, they then proceeded to scream traitor at a small group of us doing a trail run WTF.. Joan Burton was there as guest of honour and not to hand out any certificates.The president of the college a lady in her 70's was visibly shaken when she made her speech. The graduates and staff should not have being subjected to any type of abuse from the crowd. The graduates also had family's with them that had to endure this intimation.

    I have marched against the water charges myself and will continue to do so, but the level of aggression and intimation i felt yesterday was disgusting. I am all for peaceful protest but this was anything but. Paul Murphy and Co you do not represent me.This is the type of protest that will divide people

    Next time Tallaght you protest at least get dressed....Peace


  • #2644
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth
    Smidge wrote: »
    Tort is indeed a civil matter and irrelevant in this case. Trespass is a criminal one and was clearly done in that video.
    IW are not protected in the same way as ESB to access to a property(although ESB still have to give notice of works on your property)to carry out works.
    The mind boggles at people who find no wrong in the actions by the IW workers. So, under their take of things, anyone can come onto your property(and this is just bringing it down to the brass tacks)and do what they please and you as the property owner have no say?
    The law can be interpreted, but at the end of the day..the law is the law.
    You CANNOT enter a private property for ANY reason without permission form the owner.
    If you do you are breaking the law.
    Is the law only to be laid on some and not others?
    This clearly seems to be the case yet again


    There was no criminal trespass in that video. It doesn't fall within the definition at all.


  • #2645
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    justincasey wrote: »
    HI,

    I was one of the the graduates yesterday in Tallaght. What a ****ing disgrace a lot of the protesters were (some turned out in there PJ's). Firstly they high-jacked the educational ceremony, they then proceeded to scream traitor at a small group of us doing a trail run WTF.. Joan Burton was there as guest of honour and not to hand out any certificates.The president of the college a lady in her 70's was visibly shaken when she made her speech. The graduates and staff should not have being subjected to any type of abuse from the crowd. The graduates also had family's with them that had to endure this intimation.

    I have marched against the water charges myself and will continue to do so, but the level of aggression and intimation i felt yesterday was disgusting. I am all for peaceful protest but this was anything but. Paul Murphy and Co you do not represent me.This is the type of protest that will divide people

    Next time Tallaght you protest at least get dressed....Peace

    Bloody students, diverting tax money away from dole, free housing, transport, medical cards....


  • #2646
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth
    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    That it's very convenient, Protests so far have not had trouble just pushing and shoving. Now all of a sudden someone rocks up with a "brick" not even from the local architecture, No sign of a building site. And is able to lob it at a garda car unhindered even in plain sight apparently with 100 garda about and make his escape. They managed to lift 2 people apparently for something or other but not the brick man.

    Convenient? Don't you mean inconvenient? Inconvenient that someone neutral has captured the violence that has been denied up til now. I'm sure many people have footage of these acts on both sides. The Gardai can't release it and the protesters are hardly going to release something that makes them look bad. You are really clutching at straws. I'm the one that said it about the local architecture and I said it as a joke. Scumbags throw bricks at Gardai like this all the time. What's inconvenient for you is that this one just shows up these small regular protests for what they really are.


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  • #2647
    dav3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭dav3


    Nothing that happened yesterday will have an impact on people deciding to pay for water, which is important, as it will bring about the eventual downfall of Irish Water and the government.

    Nobody is going to think 'Oh they were very mean to Joan, I think I'll pay for my water now'.

    The only card the government has left is desperate mud slinging. Trying to associate "undesirables" or even the hilarious "dissidents" to every peaceful protest around the country.

    'You wouldn't want to be associated with those kind of people, would you?' in the hope that people would stay away from any protests.

    Just like the protests, the government, or even the cabinet, there are always going to be a few bad eggs in it, that's life.

    As for Denis O'Brien. People keep needing to be reminded of the Moriarty Tribunal findings.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denis_O'Brien
    The Moriarty Tribunal found that in its opinion it was almost beyond doubt that his winning of the contract was due to payments he made to Michael Lowry, the then communications minister, who unduly influenced the bidding process.
    The Moriarty Tribunal's second and final report found that Michael Lowry, the then energy and communications minister in Ireland, assisted Denis O'Brien in his bid to secure a mobile phone contract for Esat Digifone, a key foundation of Mr O'Brien's personal wealth. The tribunal found that this happened after Lowry received a $50,000 payment from O'Brien via a circuitous route involving a complex arrangement of third parties and offshore accounts. It said that it was "beyond doubt" that Mr Lowry gave "substantive information to Denis O'Brien, of significant value and assistance to him in securing the [mobile] licence" during at least two meetings between the two.

    Do we really want this man associated in any way with Irish Water? If people like Denis O'Brien actually paid their taxes in this country, there would be no need for metered water.


  • #2648
    Beaner1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 819 ✭✭✭Beaner1


    Smidge wrote: »
    Tort is indeed a civil matter and irrelevant in this case. Trespass is a criminal one and was clearly done in that video.
    IW are not protected in the same way as ESB to access to a property(although ESB still have to give notice of works on your property)to carry out works.
    The mind boggles at people who find no wrong in the actions by the IW workers. So, under their take of things, anyone can come onto your property(and this is just bringing it down to the brass tacks)and do what they please and you as the property owner have no say?
    The law can be interpreted, but at the end of the day..the law is the law.
    You CANNOT enter a private property for ANY reason without permission form the owner.
    If you do you are breaking the law.
    Is the law only to be laid on some and not others?
    This clearly seems to be the case yet again


    C enter and inspect any premises for the purposes of obtaining any information which the Minister, the water services authority or other prescribed person, as the case may be, may require, or of performing a function under this Act.


    They can actually. that is the relevant act. A dwelling, ie a building that is a home is different. Yards, driveways etc are fair game.


  • #2649
    garhjw
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,424 ✭✭✭garhjw


    I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth
    dav3 wrote: »
    Nothing that happened yesterday will have an impact on people deciding to pay for water, which is important, as it will bring about the eventual downfall of Irish Water and the government.

    Nobody is going to think 'Oh they were very mean to Joan, I think I'll pay for my water now'.

    The only card the government has left is desperate mud slinging. Trying to associate "undesirables" or even the hilarious "dissidents" to every peaceful protest around the country.

    'You wouldn't want to be associated with those kind of people, would you?' in the hope that people would stay away from any protests.

    Just like the protests, the government, or even the cabinet, there are always going to be a few bad eggs in it, that's life.

    As for Denis O'Brien. People keep needing to be reminded of the Moriarty Tribunal findings.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denis_O'Brien





    Do we really want this man associated in any way with Irish Water? If people like Denis O'Brien actually paid their taxes in this country, there would be no need for metered water.

    That's right it's mud slinging.

    No need to sling mud when you have the likes of Paul Murphy and Brendan ogle protesting against water charges. Then you have the likes of Sinn Fein. I suppose you think the mairia Cahill story is more mud slinging to deflect attention away from govt?


  • #2650
    MRnotlob606
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,642 ✭✭✭MRnotlob606


    I agree with metered water charges
    Paul Murphy is a clown.


  • #2651
    shinzon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,463 ✭✭✭shinzon


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    I was scrolling through facebook last night and came across something that had even me beginning to question some of the motives of the fringes of the Water Protestors.

    It was a call to as many people as possible to protest outside Enda Kennys family home next February if a general election wasn't called by then, im as anti water charge as they come but for me this whole situation is now getting out of hand.

    Whatever your personal opinion is on Kenny and what he and his government has done to this country his family has had nothing to do with it and should not be targeted in this way.

    Doing stuff like this only derails the legitimate protests and does more harm then good and creates headlines that would put the majority off getting behind the protests, ill continue to March whenever and wherever I can but I just cannot condone people acting in this way.

    Shin


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  • #2652
    Graces7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    I would like Irish Water as a company to remain in it's current form
    moxin wrote: »
    Here you go, this is why the crowd got upset at the Gardai in Santry and then Coolock where the arrested were brought to. One Garda, yes one made it his day to push women to the ground. Look at the start at what the other Garda did to the pensioner(pink top) into the footpath, imagine that being your mother. That was uncalled for, push them away instead, don't knock them to the ground like that. They made the situation worse as some of those women have relatives who got upset at their treatment.


    The media claimed 100 outside Coolock, it looked like a few hundred at that hour of night and at short notice. Coolock wouldn't have happened if the just 2 Gardai at Santry were not all gun ho.
    https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1572295319665736&set=vb.1560345520860716&type=2&theater

    And as you are a fond follower of events, you'd know that there was a solidarity protest outside a Waterford Garda station. https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=788109721248401&set=vb.100001481407726&type=2&theater

    There was no attack. The Gardai were simply removing those who chose to obstruct a public road and refused to move.


  • #2653
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    I would like Irish Water as a company to remain in it's current form
    Who are these people protesting for a general election? This government was democratically elected by the Irish people. This is a democracy and we should not let some fascist keyboard warriors dictate who governs this country. They are the traitors not the government.


  • #2654
    FREETV
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭FREETV


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    MRnotlob606 wrote: »
    Paul Murphy is a clown.

    No, he is not, the clowns are the Coalition Government. :D

    There was a Garda plant in that crowd after Joany had left, he threw the brick in the video and the Sunday World photo according to experts was photoshopped and is fake.


  • #2655
    MRnotlob606
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,642 ✭✭✭MRnotlob606


    I agree with metered water charges
    FREETV wrote: »
    No, he is not, the clowns are the Coalition Government. :D

    Right so, lets let Paul Murphy become taoiseach in the next election and she what he can do with his vociferous espousal of leftist rhetoric, He is surely the messianic leader we have been waiting for.


  • #2656
    FREETV
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭FREETV


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    MRnotlob606 wrote: »
    Right so, lets let Paul Murphy become taoiseach in the next election and she what he can do with his vociferous espousal of leftist rhetoric, He is surely the messianic leader we have been waiting for.

    At least he sticks up for the ordinary people and doesn't look down his nose upon the people who feed and clothe him and doesn't see us as dog dirt under his shoes like the Coalition Government do as they bite our hands on a daily continuous basis.
    Ireland was never a democracy either and Sean White TD talks a load of bull and spin.


  • #2657
    Beaner1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 819 ✭✭✭Beaner1


    FREETV wrote: »
    At least he sticks up for the ordinary people and doesn't look down his nose upon the people who feed and clothe him and doesn't see us as dog dirt under his shoes like the Coalition Government do as they bite our hands on a daily continuous basis.
    Ireland was never a democracy either and Sean White TD talks a load of bull and spin.

    But you are dirt under the shoes. I've seen your YouTube account.


  • #2658
    FREETV
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭FREETV


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    Beaner1 wrote: »
    But you are dirt under the shoes. I've seen your YouTube account.
    Am I now, I don't even have a YouTube account so I am not the dirt under the shoes that you are looking for.

    Plenty of dirt under the shoes in Government in the Dail, filthy, rotten, traitorous thieves running the Country in to the ground and all the while they are laughing all the way to the bank at everybody else's expense.


  • #2659
    Laois_Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,758 ✭✭✭Laois_Man


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    Dunno what people are demanding a general election for......to put back the lovely men and women we had 4 years ago which people were fuming with even more?

    An Taoiseach Michael Martin

    Lovely

    Problems solved!


  • #2660
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth
    MRnotlob606 wrote: »
    Right so, lets let Paul Murphy become taoiseach in the next election and she what he can do with his vociferous espousal of leftist rhetoric, He is surely the messianic leader we have been waiting for.

    He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy!


    Sorry, couldn't resist :pac:


  • #2661
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    I would like Irish Water as a company to remain in it's current form
    https://twitter.com/photosofdublin/status/533752022823366659

    He fell on his arśe


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  • #2662
    Pocoyo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Pocoyo


    I agree with metered water charges
    Some irish people are easily lead.

    When i see these pro government posters take to the street then i will respect your views until then you are just keyboard warriors and of no use to anyone.


  • #2663
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,244 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    I would like Irish Water as a company to remain in it's current form
    Pocoyo wrote: »
    Some irish people are easily lead.

    When i see these pro government posters take to the street then i will respect your views until then you are just keyboard warriors and of no use to anyone.

    Take to the streets for what? "What do we want?" "What we already have!!!!!" "when do we want it?" "eh, we have it"


  • #2664
    Streetwalker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭Streetwalker


    I agree with metered water charges
    Pocoyo wrote: »
    Some irish people are easily lead.

    When i see these pro government posters take to the street then i will respect your views until then you are just keyboard warriors and of no use to anyone.

    Im still waiting on a pro water meter march. All 10 of them will bring the city to a standstill.:D


  • #2665
    Pocoyo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Pocoyo


    I agree with metered water charges
    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Take to the streets for what? "What do we want?" "What we already have!!!!!" "when do we want it?" "eh, we have it"


    You want the current set up.....silly boy!! :D


  • #2666
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    JRant wrote: »
    In fairness lots of people voted Labour and water metering was most definitely not on their manifesto.
    AlekSmart wrote: »
    Perhaps it would be worth contacting the Photographer ?

    Tony Gavin is no fly by night cameraphone merchant,and I would imagine he would not want to be associated with any manipulation of his work ?

    http://www.ppai.ie/photo/1327/Daylight-Robbery?p

    [b,] The Garda helicopter burnt a LOT of aviation fuel over several hours above the Jobstown incident,with I would imagine a hell of a lot of heli-teli footage to trawl through as a result.[/b]

    A very interesting day,for sure,and one which may yet prove to be a game changer in this entire situation...the very fine line was almost crossed today ;)

    It also burnt a good bit of fuel over Dublin city on Oct 11th, yet the gards couldn't give an estimate of the people in attendance.

    Lol.
    Beaner1 wrote: »
    C enter and inspect any premises for the purposes of obtaining any information which the Minister, the water services authority or other prescribed person, as the case may be, may require, or of performing a function under this Act.


    They can actually. that is the relevant act. A dwelling, ie a building that is a home is different. Yards, driveways etc are fair game.

    Lol....
    (3) An authorised person shall not, other than with the consent of the occupier, enter into a private dwelling under this section unless he or she has obtained a warrant from the District Court under subsection (8)authorising such entry.
    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2007/en/act/pub/0030/sec0022.html#sec22


  • #2667
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    JRant wrote: »
    In fairness lots of people voted Labour and water metering was most definitely not on their manifesto.

    It was
    AlekSmart wrote: »
    Perhaps it would be worth contacting the Photographer ?

    Tony Gavin is no fly by night cameraphone merchant,and I would imagine he would not want to be associated with any manipulation of his work ?

    http://www.ppai.ie/photo/1327/Daylight-Robbery?p

    [b,] The Garda helicopter burnt a LOT of aviation fuel over several hours above the Jobstown incident,with I would imagine a hell of a lot of heli-teli footage to trawl through as a result.[/b]

    A very interesting day,for sure,and one which may yet prove to be a game changer in this entire situation...the very fine line was almost crossed today ;)

    It also burnt a good bit of fuel over Dublin city on Oct 11th, yet the gards couldn't give an estimate of the people in attendance.

    Lol.
    Beaner1 wrote: »
    C enter and inspect any premises for the purposes of obtaining any information which the Minister, the water services authority or other prescribed person, as the case may be, may require, or of performing a function under this Act.


    They can actually. that is the relevant act. A dwelling, ie a building that is a home is different. Yards, driveways etc are fair game.

    Lol....
    (3) An authorised person shall not, other than with the consent of the occupier, enter into a private dwelling under this section unless he or she has obtained a warrant from the District Court under subsection (8)authorising such entry.
    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2007/en/act/pub/0030/sec0022.html#sec22


  • #2668
    Chucky the tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    FREETV wrote: »
    At least he sticks up for the ordinary people and doesn't look down his nose upon the people/B] who feed and clothe him and doesn't see us as dog dirt under his shoes like the Coalition Government do as they bite our hands on a daily continuous basis.
    Ireland was never a democracy either and Sean White TD talks a load of bull and spin.



    "Ordinary people"? Who's that now?


  • #2669
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,354 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Take to the streets for what? "What do we want?" "What we already have!!!!!" "when do we want it?" "eh, we have it"

    Society is not right unless we are prospering, Im sure you are smart enough to realise that there is genuine malaise out there about the government.

    While you might be doing alright in your little corner there, I am too. I am doing just fine. But i dont have accessive money to stick into savings. I get by. Herself hasnt had wages increases in 3 years. The company she works for are using it as a stick to bait people down while they are actually doing quite well themselves.

    Its a status quo thing. Less and less people are feeling the real recovery that we are supposed to be feeling and that his talked about in government corridors. The jobless figures are being heavily massaged , this has been proven.

    There is a lack of empathy between people who are 'doing' alright.

    Im not apologising for having empathy with people who are doing, lets be frank '****'.

    And im not apologising for being incredibly angry about how my top rate of tax is being squandered. Story after story of waste excess and general we dont really care about perception..

    Does none of this actually annoy you ?

    We have learned NOTHING from the last crowds reign. I voted for this crowd. They have achieved nothing that i voted for. I feel like a gnome.


  • #2670
    Larbre34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,431 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Who are these people protesting for a general election? This government was democratically elected by the Irish people. This is a democracy and we should not let some fascist keyboard warriors dictate who governs this country. They are the traitors not the government.

    When people are elected on the basis of falsehoods, its time for a new election. The current government have betrayed their own mandate. Time to go.


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  • #2671
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth
    Larbre34 wrote: »
    When people are elected on the basis of falsehoods, its time for a new election. The current government have betrayed their own mandate. Time to go.

    Weren't water charges in the FG pre election promises and in the program for government?


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