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**ALL THINGS IRISH WATER/WATER RELATED** Part 2 - MOD WARNING IN OP

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  • #2522
    moxin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,203 ✭✭✭moxin


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    Phoebas wrote: »
    Is he? I thought he was a minority shareholder. Maybe he bought more shares recently?

    Oh apologies our resident Indo reader, he has the largest minority shares in the Indo. Happy now?


  • #2523
    Zonda999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,534 ✭✭✭Zonda999


    I would like Irish Water as a company to remain in it's current form
    moxin wrote: »
    D O'Brien(exiled tax billionaire) is a majority shareholder in the Indo and owns under dubious circumstances(that Anglos debt write-off) Siteserv who own GMC the water meter installers. Conflict of interest indeed.

    Oh, he owns Newstalk, the Herald, Today FM, FM104 and 50% of the Daily Star and of course Topaz. (he appointed Cowen on their board)

    He owns 29.9% of INM, which in turn, makes up one national broadsheet (Independent) and one national (At a push)tabloid (The Herald). He does not own 50% of the Daily Star. That 50% is owned by INM, not him. There are plenty alternatives in the print media, in both broadsheets and tabloids

    So other than that he owns 2 national radio stations (Newstalk and Today FM) and a number of local stations (By the way, he doesn't own FM104, but does own 98FM and Spin103.8) Again, you have plenty alternatives here, no one can dispute

    As for Topaz, I can't see how that's relevant in any way.


  • #2524
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Phoebas wrote: »
    I've no idea.
    Are we now going to head down the rabbit hole of 'if he wasn't convicted he didn't do it'?


    Take the blue pill.

    Garda everywhere all over the place, Random guy is able to get close to Garda cars with an offensive object. Alone on his own in plain sight, is able to throw offensive object at Garda car with no interference. Then makes good his escape, If it was from the centre of a crowd fair enough. Something really suspect about this.


  • #2525
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    I have no idea, But I do know who would benefit more from having pictures of "Protestors" throwing objects at Garda cars. And that's not the protestors. Something smells off about this convenient incident.

    There was someone on twitter earlier saying it was some kind of agent provocateur. It didn't take long for a similar idea to surface here.


  • #2526
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    moxin wrote: »
    Oh apologies our resident Indo reader, he has the largest minority shares in the Indo. Happy now?

    Happy enough. Just looking for the plain facts, without lies or spin. Lots of it about - in the Indo and around here.


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  • #2527
    gladrags
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,028 ✭✭✭gladrags


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    Phoebas wrote: »
    DO'B has something around a 30% interest in the Indo and even that holding is quite recent. The Indo had the same editorial line when O'Reilly had the larger stake.

    People like to pick their bogeyman; it helps them to focus their anger.


    The Sindo has been politically motivated since 1900.O'Brien has the same interests as O'Reilly or Murdoch.

    Murdoch was more than a bogey man,O'Reilly ditto.

    The Sindo has its own agendas, their shameless propping up of the property mkt is one.

    The public v private sector divisiveness is another.

    Their backing of FF and Bertie,when the brown envelopes and corruption was at its peak,was cringeworthy.

    And the continuous bitter and inacurrate criticism of John Hume,and his role in the peace process was disgusting.

    They don't do facts,Harris is a great example,the rest follow.

    Niamh Horan style.


  • #2528
    moxin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,203 ✭✭✭moxin


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    Zonda999 wrote: »
    He owns 29.9% of INM, which in turn, makes up one national broadsheet (Independent) and one national (At a push)tabloid (The Herald). He does not own 50% of the Daily Star. That 50% is owned by INM, not him. There are plenty alternatives in the print media, in both broadsheets and tabloids

    So other than that he owns 2 national radio stations (Newstalk and Today FM) and a number of local stations (By the way, he doesn't own FM104, but does own 98FM and Spin103.8) Again, you have plenty alternatives here, no one can dispute

    As for Topaz, I can't see how that's relevant in any way.

    As you had time to reply to my post. You have obviously no qualm with O'Brien being a exiled tax billionaire. You have not stated your case on this issue.

    You say "alternatives in the print media", yeh we have them. They are called Facebook(bless Mark Zuckenberg) and Twitter. They are called social media, get used to it to expose the truth.

    Topaz(formally Shell and Statoil) also own a large share of the oil(petrol and diesel) in the state. But, the control of the media by DOB is rather disturbing.


  • #2529
    Going Forward
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,224 ✭✭✭Going Forward


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    Zonda999 wrote: »
    He owns 29.9% of INM, which in turn, makes up one national broadsheet (Independent) and one national (At a push)tabloid (The Herald). He does not own 50% of the Daily Star. That 50% is owned by INM, not him. There are plenty alternatives in the print media, in both broadsheets and tabloids

    So other than that he owns 2 national radio stations (Newstalk and Today FM) and a number of local stations (By the way, he doesn't own FM104, but does own 98FM and Spin103.8) Again, you have plenty alternatives here, no one can dispute

    As for Topaz, I can't see how that's relevant in any way.

    The national radio ownership is surely questionable, in the sense that in rural areas you just have RTE Radio One or Denis O'Brien's stations as your choice of serious news.


  • #2530
    Tinkersbell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭Tinkersbell


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    Phoebas wrote: »
    I've no idea.
    Are we now going to head down the rabbit hole of 'if he wasn't convicted he didn't do it'?


    Take the blue pill.

    You don't find even the slight bit suspicious that with, at that stage, up to 100 coppers around he wasn't caught?


  • #2531
    Albertofrog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 135 ✭✭Albertofrog


    As for Topaz, I can't see how that's relevant in any way.[/quote]

    Topaz have the contract for refuelling the Garda fleet


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  • #2532
    eug87
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 134 ✭✭eug87


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    Zonda999 wrote: »
    He owns 29.9% of INM, which in turn, makes up one national broadsheet (Independent) and one national (At a push)tabloid (The Herald). He does not own 50% of the Daily Star. That 50% is owned by INM, not him. There are plenty alternatives in the print media, in both broadsheets and tabloids

    So other than that he owns 2 national radio stations (Newstalk and Today FM) and a number of local stations (By the way, he doesn't own FM104, but does own 98FM and Spin103.8) Again, you have plenty alternatives here, no one can dispute

    As for Topaz, I can't see how that's relevant in any way.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/business/sectors/media-and-marketing/media-mergers-regime-change-tomorrow-1.1980794


  • #2533
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    moxin wrote: »
    As you had time to reply to my post. You have obviously no qualm with O'Brien being a exiled tax billionaire.
    What a massive leap of logic.


  • #2534
    AboutaWeekAgo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 651 ✭✭✭AboutaWeekAgo


    I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth
    Phoebas wrote: »
    There was someone on twitter earlier saying it was some kind of agent provocateur. It didn't take long for a similar idea to surface here.

    It's an interesting thought to be fair. I'm not saying that it was, I have no idea if it was of wasn't, but it's well documented that it has happened at protests worldwide.


  • #2535
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    Albertofrog wrote: »
    Topaz have the contract for refuelling the Garda fleet
    Bring me on a fantastic journey -- how does this all tie back to the pros and cons of Irish Water?


  • #2536
    Zonda999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,534 ✭✭✭Zonda999


    I would like Irish Water as a company to remain in it's current form
    moxin wrote: »
    As you had time to reply to my post. You have obviously no qualm with O'Brien being a exiled tax billionaire. You have not stated your case on this issue.

    You say "alternatives in the print media", yeh we have them. They are called Facebook(bless Mark Zuckenberg) and Twitter. They are called social media, get used to it to expose the truth.

    Topaz(formally Shell and Statoil) also own a large share of the oil(petrol and diesel) in the state. But, the control of the media by DOB is rather disturbing.

    Yes, he is an exiled tax billionaire, I'm not going to dispute that for a second. My opinion on that is irrelevant. Clearly the man looks after his interests by whatever ways or means he see's fit, as his his choice. Should this automatically preclude him from owning any interest in Irish media?

    I'm guessing your opinion for the other print media in the country is the same as that of the INM publications, if you think the only alternatives are Facebook and Twitter. Again, that's entirely up to you where you get your news from. Like I said earlier, all media outlets are fundamentally biased in some regard. You chose where you get your own information and make your own informed opinion.


  • #2537
    Cantona's Collars
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    I agree with metered water charges
    Other media sources were mentioned and linked to in this thread when the protests grew and attracted international attention.Immediately they were poo-pooed by the pro tax crowd as they weren't RTE or the Indo.


  • #2538
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    Tinkersbell wrote: »
    You don't find even the slight bit suspicious that with, at that stage, up to 100 coppers around he wasn't caught?

    Clearly the only sensible explanation is that both the Sunday World video and the attributed Indo photograph showing the guy throwing a brick at the Garda car were fake - and that the rival newspapers colluded in this fake, because there isn't any possibility at all that the chap did a runner after he threw the brick.

    You took the wrong pill!!


  • #2539
    Going Forward
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,224 ✭✭✭Going Forward


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    Zonda999 wrote: »
    Yes, he is an exiled tax billionaire, I'm not going to dispute that for a second. My opinion on that is irrelevant. Clearly the man looks after his interests by whatever ways or means he see's fit, as his his choice. Should this automatically preclude him from owning any interest in Irish media?

    I'm guessing your opinion for the other print media in the country is the same as that of the INM publications, if you think the only alternatives are Facebook and Twitter. Again, that's entirely up to you where you get your news from. Like I said earlier, all media outlets are fundamentally biased in some regard. You chose where you get your own information and make your own informed opinion.

    His radio ownership means that for provincial Ireland the choice for information is RTE or his stations.

    That's not good enough.


  • #2540
    Zonda999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,534 ✭✭✭Zonda999


    I would like Irish Water as a company to remain in it's current form
    Going Forward wrote: »
    The national radio ownership is surely questionable, in the sense that in rural areas you just have RTE Radio One or Denis O'Brien's stations as your choice of serious news.

    And before Today FM and Newstalk, what choice has you in such locations? Who's fault is it that there aren't any other competitors in the market?
    Albertofrog wrote: »
    As for Topaz, I can't see how that's relevant in any way.

    Topaz have the contract for refuelling the Garda fleet[/QUOTE]

    Yes, and apparently they won that contract as the result of a public tender. I still can;t see how that is relevant in any way
    eug87 wrote: »
    http://www.irishtimes.com/business/sectors/media-and-marketing/media-mergers-regime-change-tomorrow-1.1980794

    I don't know what to say about this, mergers happen all of the time, companies generally try to expand rather than stand still.


  • #2541
    moxin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,203 ✭✭✭moxin


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    Zonda999 wrote: »
    I'm guessing your opinion for the other print media in the country is the same as that of the INM publications, if you think the only alternatives are Facebook and Twitter. Again, that's entirely up to you where you get your news from. Like I said earlier, all media outlets are fundamentally biased in some regard. You chose where you get your own information and make your own informed opinion.

    I'm not kidding here, as a taxpayer who pays the top rate of tax, the Irish media scene is seriously compromised in the delivery of unbiased news. Yes, in the last 2 weeks due to my ignorance of how and who controls the media, I have become more aware of what's going on regarding water charges(I was previously on the fence but the No side persuaded me).

    Maybe i'm typical Irish who would never protest, but I see it among my high paying compatriots in IT who have had enough and see through the fog, they see for what it is, an IW jobs for the boys.

    Myself thought previously that Paul Murphy TD was a loo-la outside the loop with the usual "SWP protests" but in the last 2 weeks in my workplace over IW, all that has changed.


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  • #2542
    Tinkersbell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭Tinkersbell


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    Phoebas wrote: »
    Clearly the only sensible explanation is that both the Sunday World video and the attributed Indo photograph showing the guy throwing a brick at the Garda car were fake - and that the rival newspapers colluded in this fake, because there isn't any possibility at all that the chap did a runner after he threw the brick.

    You took the wrong pill!!

    The country needs people like you.
    Unquestioning yes men.
    The type of people who allowed FF destroy our economy.
    Take a few pills there yourself.


  • #2543
    Tinkersbell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭Tinkersbell


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    moxin wrote: »
    I'm not kidding here, as a taxpayer who pays the top rate of tax, the Irish media scene is seriously compromised in the delivery of unbiased news. Yes, in the last 2 weeks due to my ignorance of how and who controls the media, I have become more aware of what's going on regarding water charges(I was previously on the fence but the No side persuaded me).

    Maybe i'm typical Irish who would never protest, but I see it among my high paying compatriots in IT who have had enough and see through the fog, they see for what it is, an IW jobs for the boys.

    Myself thought previously that Paul Murphy TD was a loo-la outside the loop with the usual "SWP protests" but in the last 2 weeks in my workplace over IW, all that has changed.

    You can't be on the no side.
    According to the pro water tax lads we're all dole scroungers!


  • #2544
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    where is this video ? cannot find it anywhere


  • #2545
    Albertofrog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 135 ✭✭Albertofrog


    Phoebas wrote: »
    Bring me on a fantastic journey -- how does this all tie back to the pros and cons of Irish Water?

    Not IW but the Maltese Tax Exile.


  • #2546
    Going Forward
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,224 ✭✭✭Going Forward


    I do not want to pay for water in any way
    Zonda999 wrote: »
    And before Today FM and Newstalk, what choice has you in such locations? Who's fault is it that there aren't any other competitors in the market?

    The same as now, little to none.

    He bought the licenses.

    Remind me where the cash came from.

    The regulator approved it.

    http://www.finfacts.ie/irishfinancenews/article_1010600.shtml
    http://www.communicorp.ie/markets/ireland/


  • #2547
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth
    So now the guy throwing the brick is an undercover Garda? This is getting a little bit ridiculous. I see the predicament though. The anti meter groups made big statements about how they hadn't been infiltrated by troublemakers. So on one hand they can't say this guy was with them because it makes them look bad but on the other hand they can't say he wasn't because then their soap boxing about not being infiltrated is made look weak. The only way to save face is to claim conspiracy.


  • #2548
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    So now the guy throwing the brick is an undercover Garda? This is getting a little bit ridiculous. I see the predicament though. The anti meter groups made big statements about how they hadn't been infiltrated by troublemakers. So on one hand they can't say this guy was with them because it makes them look bad but on the other hand they can't say he wasn't because then their soap boxing about not being infiltrated is made look weak. The only way to save face is to claim conspiracy.

    Who said that ?


  • #2549
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    I would like to see IW to cease trading and water to remain controlled by government/local auth
    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Who said that ?

    So what exactly are you saying then?


  • #2550
    Cuttlefish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 751 ✭✭✭Cuttlefish


    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    If Paul Murphy, Boyd Barrett and Mr Property Developer Wallace get into power they will drive us all back to the door of the IMF.

    Who drove us there in the first place?


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  • #2551
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    So what exactly are you saying then?

    That it's very convenient, Protests so far have not had trouble just pushing and shoving. Now all of a sudden someone rocks up with a "brick" not even from the local architecture, No sign of a building site. And is able to lob it at a garda car unhindered even in plain sight apparently with 100 garda about and make his escape. They managed to lift 2 people apparently for something or other but not the brick man.


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