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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,919 ✭✭✭✭Gummy Panda


    Also interesting is that paper is partially based on a meal shake replacement diet (very low calorie), it wouldn't be the first paper showing that a crash diet (if you can stick to it for a couple months) tends to have better longer term results than 'gentle' approaches. :eek:

    is it due to leptin and the body fat checkpoints it supposedly makes?


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭El_Dangeroso


    is it due to leptin and the body fat checkpoints it supposedly makes?

    Not a single clue. I would have argued the opposite, I mean the opposite makes sense. We all know someone who goes on the latest diet every week and then is in the chipper come Friday. But maybe if you can actually stick to a crash diet, it can be better long term?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,919 ✭✭✭✭Gummy Panda


    Not a single clue. I would have argued the opposite, I mean the opposite makes sense. We all know someone who goes on the latest diet every week and then is in the chipper come Friday. But maybe if you can actually stick to a crash diet, it can be better long term?

    I was thinking if you do the gentle way, once you hit these checkpoints it becomes more and more difficult while with crash dieting if you can stick with it you just crash through them.


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭El_Dangeroso


    Animord wrote: »
    I have lost 71 lbs (just over 5 stone)

    Sorry skipped past this first time. That is SENSATIONAL. You must be a whole different person!
    I was thinking if you do the gentle way, once you hit these checkpoints it becomes more and more difficult while with crash dieting if you can stick with it you just crash through them.

    Yep. Nothing motivates like quick weight loss!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,004 ✭✭✭Animord


    Sorry skipped past this first time. That is SENSATIONAL. You must be a whole different person!

    Thank you. I certainly feel much better. The most extraordinary thing about it is that suddenly, about half a stone ago, I became visible again. I am not suggesting that people were unkind to me but it appeared, paradoxically, they just couldn't see me when I was overweight. And it's not just men (I am female, 5'11") women's attitudes toward me have changed too. It's bizzare, and interesting.

    On the rapid weightloss thing there is an undoubted eurphoria about quick weightloss that, I think, probably does make a difference on sticking to it.

    I also think that probably the biggest difference between successful people and those who regain, is the realisation that this is it - the way you eat for the rest of your life. The weightloss plans and crash diets just don't teach you that, even though they would have you believe they do. In my opinion they perpetuate the 'bad' food for reward idea.


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  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 35,945 Mod ✭✭✭✭dr.bollocko


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  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭El_Dangeroso


    How drinking your fruit and vegetables can make you fat:

    http://www.nature.com/oby/journal/v20/n9/abs/oby2011192a.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭Orla K


    Listening to today fm, I wasn't really paying attention but I think someone is going to come on later and say why white bread is healthy/good for you. He said who but I didn't catch that bit.


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Myah Sticky Freight


    Orla K wrote: »
    Listening to today fm, I wasn't really paying attention but I think someone is going to come on later and say why white bread is healthy/good for you. He said who but I didn't catch that bit.

    Pat the Baker


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭Orla K


    Pat the Baker

    Some fool from the blackrock clinic
    It was the ultimate nutrition fail, a survey was done(by brennens) on why people think white bread is unhealthy. She then went on to say that because it's fat free then it's healthy.

    How can someone who has gone through a very long and difficult course be such an idiot! The one they had to counteract her argument wasn't much better.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,383 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    Orla K wrote: »
    She then went on to say that because it's fat free then it's healthy.
    Are you sure this wasn't sugar free, or no added sugar?, which I hear mentioned a lot in recent bread ads.

    Sugar manufacturers are the usual chancers going on about being fat free...

    EDIT: reading that other thread she is saying its low fat, it does have added veg oil.

    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/survey-just-over-a-third-aware-of-dietary-requirements-565537.html

    This is some sneaky wording
    Recent scientific research findings, 'Analysis of Bread Consumption in Irish Adults and Children', conducted by IUNA (Irish Universities Nutrition Alliance) show that white bread is good for you as it contains many positive benefits and is the lowest contributor of fat of any food group in the Irish diet.
    They know fine well that many would read that as "lowest contributor of fatNESS" playing on the fact that so many people think you only, or mainly, put on fat by eating fat.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭Orla K


    rubadub wrote: »
    Are you sure this wasn't sugar free, or no added sugar?, which I hear mentioned a lot in recent bread ads.

    Sugar manufacturers are the usual chancers going on about being fat free...

    EDIT: reading that other thread she is saying its low fat, it does have added veg oil.

    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/survey-just-over-a-third-aware-of-dietary-requirements-565537.html

    This is some sneaky wording
    They know fine well that many would read that as "lowest contributor of fatNESS" playing on the fact that so many people think you only, or mainly, put on fat by eating fat.

    There's not too many things that actually make me angry but I just can't help getting pissed off when someone intelligent says something stupid. I ended up doing the washing up and making a chocolate spice jelly with some gelatin, cooking/making things makes me happy again.
    I'd also nearly send her an email to tell her she's an idiot but I don't think she'd get to read it.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,366 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen


    Crap pages on facebook posting 'fitness recipes' and using low fat products. Questioned them on their use of low fat yoghurt and they asked me to say why I'd use full fat before answering me, then gave a crap response about how the fat in yoghurt is saturated and saturted fats are BAD FATS....

    Haven't explained why I'd choose full fat dairy yet.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,390 ✭✭✭Stench Blossoms


    Crap pages on facebook posting 'fitness recipes' and using low fat products. Questioned them on their use of low fat yoghurt and they asked me to say why I'd use full fat before answering me, then gave a crap response about how the fat in yoghurt is saturated and saturted fats are BAD FATS....

    Haven't explained why I'd choose full fat dairy yet.

    I mentioned this in another thread.

    There are loads of these 'fitness' pages popping up now.

    One of them posted up a picture of the food pyramid the other day.

    Had to unsubscribe.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,366 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen


    I'm itching to argue with them to be honest. :D I only 'liked' the page the other day so I could post a comment about their use of low fat mayo and yoghurt in another recipe.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,390 ✭✭✭Stench Blossoms


    I'm itching to argue with them to be honest. :D I only 'liked' the page the other day so I could post a comment about their use of low fat mayo and yoghurt in another recipe.

    I just saw your comment. Now I know who you are...

    *Insert creepy smiley*

    :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭Orla K


    I just saw your comment. Now I know who you are...

    *Insert creepy smiley*

    :D

    Tag team them!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,390 ✭✭✭Stench Blossoms


    I've actually a question about this.

    I've looked up two yogurts. Onken Natural and Onken Fat Free.

    It's probably a stupid question but how come the protein content is higher in the fat free version?

    Natural :
    Energy 435KJ/104kcal -
    Protein 5.7g -
    Carbohydrate 5.4g -
    of which sugars 5.4g -
    Fat 5.6g -
    of which saturates 3.6g -
    Fibre 0g -
    Sodium 0.09g -
    equivalent of salt 0.23g

    Fat free:
    Energy 293KJ/69kcal -
    Protein 8.1g -
    Carbohydrate 6.4g -
    of which sugars 6.4g -
    Fat 0.2g -
    of which saturates 0.1g -
    Fibre 0g -
    Sodium 0.13g -
    equivalent of salt 0.33g


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭El_Dangeroso


    They add more protein to fat free versions to bulk it out, it's called 'milk solids', it's to make a thicker yoghurt to replicate the mouthfeel of fat.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,685 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    They add more protein to fat free versions to bulk it out, it's called 'milk solids', it's to make a thicker yoghurt to replicate the mouthfeel of fat.
    It's also partially because removing the fat reduces the total volume, so existing protein volume is a higher precent of the total.

    I know here there's extra protein added too but I'm pointing this out in terms of fat free milk and such.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭Orla K


    I was looking at something from winter 2009, I was about a stone heavier than I am now. It's not much but I really don't know when I started eating this way, I've had to stop exercising for some of it and I haven't really been trying very hard. I say about because I'm not sure what I weigh.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,556 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    was uploading a photo to facebook this afternoon and as it popped up on my facebook I caught a glimpse of a pic taken of me at the end of july

    i'm noticeably skinnier.. to my mind it's a pretty big difference but it's most likely just my happiness with the weight loss exaggerating the actual difference. still fantastic to have some pictorial proof of what I've been feeling/noticing for a while now, that I have been losing weight and that my diet is actually working.

    hopefully be at a decent level of weight loss by my birthday in february. there's always an urge to really kick things into high-gear now and start scouring my diet for calories to drop or even (heaven forbid) actually starting to exercise regularly but slow and steady wins the race.. just gona keep doing what I've been doing and hopefully the results will come.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭Orla K


    So I finally got my last blood test results handed to on paper. Test was in may.
    My TSH is down to 2.41
    but my free T4 is at 12.5 just within the lab range of 12-22

    I'm slowing getting it to what it should be but my body fat % still isn't going down.

    I'm still not sure what's going on with it, since they wouldn't test t3 or anything else once these were in their range.


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Myah Sticky Freight


    Friends' Mother suffers from high cholesterol and on her Cardiac Risk Assessment Personal Report Card it says this (verbatim):
    CUT DOWN ON FOODS WHICH ARE HIGH IN FAT AND LDL CHOLESTEROL:
    Meats (especially the fat and the skin)
    Saturated Fats (butter, cheese,lard)
    Hydrogenated Fats, e.g. Margarine
    Whole Milk Products
    Eggs
    Fatty Deserts including sweets with a lot of refined sugar
    Fried and Fast foods

    INSTEAD CHOOSE HEALTHIER OPTIONS SUCH AS:
    Fruit and Vegetables (especially the leafy ones)- eat at least 5 servings daily
    Legumes (peas, beans, soya products)
    Wholegrains and Fibres
    Monounsaturated and polyunsaturated oils, e.g olive and sunflower oils
    Non-fat or skim milk products

    nice one Docs :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 630 ✭✭✭danlen


    On that topic, Robb Wolf just did a podcast with Chris Kresser.

    here

    They are two intelligent dudes!

    P.S For anyone who isn't already subscribing to the podcast, get on it! Robb's stuff is always awesome!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,556 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    passed a stand of freshly baked croissants in superquinn as I was in looking for some coconut oil (all out, still :/ ) and couldnt stop myself taking a packet

    wolf them all down then decide to check the average calories of a croissant on livestrong

    i guess today is now my cheat day


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,179 ✭✭✭FunkZ


    Hey Digby, I saw coconut oil in Dunnes a week ago! So check there, I'm hopefully gonna get some later =]


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭El_Dangeroso


    passed a stand of freshly baked croissants in superquinn as I was in looking for some coconut oil (all out, still :/ ) and couldnt stop myself taking a packet

    wolf them all down then decide to check the average calories of a croissant on livestrong

    i guess today is now my cheat day

    Never underestimate the crack-like power of the croissant. It WILL defeat you.

    I'm going to head to Paris next week with full intentions of indulging in all sorts of pastry-based deliciousness, along with lots of delicious offal and a marathon's worth of walking.

    Bread in Paris never bothers my tummy as much as it does here, I think it has less additives and is fresher or something.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,556 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    FunkZ wrote: »
    Hey Digby, I saw coconut oil in Dunnes a week ago! So check there, I'm hopefully gonna get some later =]

    hrm, only a 20 minute walk to dunnes from where I am. it always seemed so far away in my head that I'd never thought of it as an option. I'll head down later in the day and have a look, thanks


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,366 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen


    hrm, only a 20 minute walk to dunnes from where I am. it always seemed so far away in my head that I'd never thought of it as an option. I'll head down later in the day and have a look, thanks

    Don't buy any croissants.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,556 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    bought coconut oil and deodarant

    now I just have to try not to eat the deodarant


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,179 ✭✭✭FunkZ


    How much did your coconut oil cost Digby? I just bought 400g for 12 euro. I was glad to find it, I doubt I would have found Dunnes without my car!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,556 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    5.99 for 500ml, the cocowel stuff. same they have in superquinn same price too


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,179 ✭✭✭FunkZ


    Dayum. I never would have found Dunnes anyways :/


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,556 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    http://goo.gl/maps/l37Uz

    for next time :)

    also hopefully superquinn will have it soon enough, they usually have it whenever i'm in.. just none since saturday


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,383 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    They add more protein to fat free versions to bulk it out, it's called 'milk solids', it's to make a thicker yoghurt to replicate the mouthfeel of fat.
    Yeah, I remember skimmed milk in the 80s was extremely watery. I know some think its watery now but its got proteins added to thicken it, back then it was rarer to see it and I don't think they bothered thickening it.
    Mellor wrote: »
    It's also partially because removing the fat reduces the total volume, so existing protein volume is a higher precent of the total
    +1, when the fat is removed, the natural increase/concentration in sugars in skimmed milk mean it has a higher sugar % than full sugar lilt. I like this fact when people go on about coke having 93 tablespoons of sugar per can, while really it has the same sugar as apple or orange juice. Of course I leave out the fact that lilt surprisingly has only half the sugar of most soft drinks. -it is weird it is not marketed as such, since so many are opposed to diet drinks be it sweeteners, or the macho image.


  • Registered Users Posts: 119 ✭✭banquet


    Does anyone know the formula weight watchers use to calculate how many points something is. I know the old system used to be based on saturated fats and calories. The more recent system includes carbs and protein in some fashion afaik. Is it a case of protein and carbs getting weights of 4 and fat getting 9 reflecting their calories or do they penalise one nutrient in some way?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 630 ✭✭✭danlen


    banquet wrote: »
    Does anyone know the formula weight watchers use to calculate how many points something is. I know the old system used to be based on saturated fats and calories. The more recent system includes carbs and protein in some fashion afaik. Is it a case of protein and carbs getting weights of 4 and fat getting 9 reflecting their calories or do they penalise one nutrient in some way?

    Whatever they're doing, I'd stake my life on it being monumentally flawed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,383 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    Their new bizarre formula can be seen on wiki.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weight_Watchers#Food_Values_2

    I expect they reckon the more complicated it looks the better value people think they are getting. Somebody tested a few items and found it was now pretty much proportional with calorie counting -while in the old system you would see crazy stuff like 500kcal of coconut having 2.5-3times the points of 500kcal of sugar.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,390 ✭✭✭Stench Blossoms


    There's something wrong with me.

    I seem to have got addicted to chewing gum. I go through about 10 a day.

    Is this incredibly bad for me?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,974 ✭✭✭rocky


    rubadub wrote: »
    Their new bizarre formula can be seen on wiki.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weight_Watchers#Food_Values_2

    I expect they reckon the more complicated it looks the better value people think they are getting. Somebody tested a few items and found it was now pretty much proportional with calorie counting -while in the old system you would see crazy stuff like 500kcal of coconut having 2.5-3times the points of 500kcal of sugar.

    Ha! Starting with carbohydrates at 4Kcal/gram, the protein they say is 3.37kcals, fat 9.47 kcals/gram, fibre 1kcal/g. Not too far off the accepted values.

    Plus, what the f... hell is with the max{positive_value, 0}? that's always going to be the positive_value, did they think the formula is not complicated enough??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,508 ✭✭✭hollypink


    I was thinking earlier today about the news anchor in Wisconsin who got a letter from a viewer saying "Obesity is one of the worst choices a person can make"

    http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/tv-radio/video-of-american-tv-news-anchor-responding-to-viewer-letter-over-her-weight-goes-viral-3248825.html.

    Then when I got home, there was a flyer from Centra in my mailbox advertising the weekly specials. Out of the 33 food items listed, only 2 are whole unprocessed foods - kiwis and rice. The rest are things like pizza, wedges, confectionery etc. I struggle (like a lot of people I'm sure!) with the temptation of processed foods and had to work hard with my diet to lost 2.5 stone this year to get down to a healthy weight. God knows what I'd be like if I lived in the States, where there is even more processed food and huge portion sizes :(


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭El_Dangeroso


    Nail on head hollypink. Human beings are quite predictable on a population level. Environment matters. If you give a population cheap processed tasty food they WILL overeat and they WILL get fat.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 630 ✭✭✭danlen


    All the more reason why you gotta hand it to Bloomberg, he tries to get things moving in the right direction...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hK9QR0fq6mg&feature=g-user-u


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭El_Dangeroso


    Back from Paris, found I cannot eat bread any more at all. I though fresh bread would make a difference but no, instant bloating, feeling crappy and having stomach trouble were my only reward.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 612 ✭✭✭boomtown84


    Back from Paris, found I cannot eat bread any more at all. I though fresh bread would make a difference but no, instant bloating, feeling crappy and having stomach trouble were my only reward.

    Nightmare!:p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭Orla K


    Someone on facebook posted this
    A vaccine for coeliacs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,974 ✭✭✭rocky


    ^^ score!


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭El_Dangeroso


    That's fantastic news, not so people can stuff their face with biscuits, but so they won't endure the savaging of their gut and resultant massive reduction in life-expectancy before they are diagnosed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭Orla K


    I finally made some almond butter, it took ages in my tiny kenwood wizzard and I've got a headache now from it but I made it, next step is coconut butter and chocolate hazelnut butter.


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